ACSlater Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 He's dead. Rattleshirt is back but we're not going to see him until apparently late in the season. He's not at Castle Black. So no glamour trick like in the book. Yea I think so too...Plus the way the talks between Jon/Mance and then Mance/Stannis played out like this was it...I guess we wont get all that subplot with Mance's rescue, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Basically it was "let's catch up with 90% of the main cast." So not much happened, a few pure filler scenes taking away from moving things forward. The only plotline that had much zip to it was The Wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Yea I think so too...Plus the way the talks between Jon/Mance and then Mance/Stannis played out like this was it...I guess we wont get all that subplot with Mance's rescue, etc... Considering all the evidence we have suggests that Fake Arya is not going to be a plot point, that's the icing on the cake for the death being for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACSlater Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 It's setting up to more/bigger stuff which is fine with me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I love the unconventional structure of each season (ie premieres and finales are filler, second and penultimate episodes are where the shit goes down). Adds to the generally unpredictable nature of the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 It's setting up to more/bigger stuff which is fine with me... I love the unconventional structure of each season (ie premieres and finales are filler, second and penultimate episodes are where the shit goes down). Adds to the generally unpredictable nature of the series. True but even by GoT standards this was a pretty static premiere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cozmeesah Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 He's dead. Rattleshirt is back but we're not going to see him until apparently late in the season. He's not at Castle Black. So no glamour trick like in the book. Well Doesn't mean they didn't use someone else. Most likely not, but it's always possible. Though, if they don't do fake Arya, he's not really needed is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPink Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 The last 15 minutes were good, Jon Snow and Mance had the best stuff, but the rest didn't do much for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#ED Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) Moderation: PLEASE, out of respect to the show and how Piracy should not be supported on this forum, please do not discuss spoilers AT ALL for episodes that have not aired yet in U.S. or in any other country. Note: This includes spoiler tagging episodes 2-4 that have not aired live anywhere yet. Don't post anything about them period. Edited April 13, 2015 by #ED 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 True but even by GoT standards this was a pretty static premiere. I enjoy the conversation scenes just as much as the action scenes. Makes shit going down more thrilling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Also want to see reactions of non-readers to the Maggy the Frog flashback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charism Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Also want to see reactions of non-readers to the Maggy the Frog flashback. I saw few - "I don't give a fuck". This show is sometimes really hard to keep up with all of those stories and characters, and such an unimportant flashback are boring for just 'watchers' and not 'fans'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I saw few - "I don't give a fuck". This show is sometimes really hard to keep up with all of those stories and characters, and such an unimportant flashback are boring for just 'watchers' and not 'fans'. They are kind of challenged if they can't remember who Cersei is. And I don't see how it is unimportant as it is the GoT version of the Smeagol opening sequence in RotK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeCee Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 It was good start. Got chills when Mance started to burn. Can some one refresh my memory regard Mance in the books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyla Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) watched 2.5 eps for now & ooh so many emotions its so rare for me but for once I was glued to the scree during all the scenes. ugh but Mance! my king! & my bb Tyrion's manpain! btw its good to be majorly unspoiled. haha dont remember the ep but I lol'ed at the mention of ever smirking Margaery Even the creators know that Dormer has 1 face expression! hmm & I havent read Dany's chapters much & Im kinda confused are we supposed to root for her to rule or what? either in the books or in the show Edited April 13, 2015 by Lady of Lorien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Also want to see reactions of non-readers to the Maggy the Frog flashback. They cut out the most important part though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 It was good start. Got chills when Mance started to burn. Can some one refresh my memory regard Mance in the books? Melisandre disguises Rattleshirt as Mance and Mance as Rattleshirt via magic, so it's Rattleshirt who gets burned. Melisandre then sends Mance to Winterfell with several others to rescue "Arya." At the end of the novel it's alleged that Ramsey has captured him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Melisandre disguises Rattleshirt as Mance and Mance as Rattleshirt via magic, so it's Rattleshirt who gets burned. Melisandre then sends Mance to Winterfell with several others to rescue "Arya." At the end of the novel it's alleged that Ramsey has captured him. Tell me more about the fake Arya storyline... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeCee Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Melisandre disguises Rattleshirt as Mance and Mance as Rattleshirt via magic, so it's Rattleshirt who gets burned. Melisandre then sends Mance to Winterfell with several others to rescue "Arya." At the end of the novel it's alleged that Ramsey has captured him. Thanks I remembered the fake Arya to marry Ramsay but I forgot about the Mance aspect to it. Seems like the show didn't leave any room for this story line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Tell me more about the fake Arya storyline... It hasn't been set up at all in the show so it's very unlikely it will happen. Basically in the third book: We learn that Tywin has conjured up a fake Arya Stark to go north and marry Ramsay Snow to further legitimize the Bolton control over the North. The fake Arya is a friend of Sansa's who went to King's Landing with her. That friend was only a non-speaking extra in the Series Premiere and hasn't been seen in the show since. So basically, early in Book 5 Fake Arya is taken to the Boltons, who arrange a marriage ceremony in Winterfell between her and Ramsay Snow with the majority of the important Northern lords in attendance. You can imagine that Ramsay does not treat Fake Arya well at all. That's all I will say, since I don't want to inadvertently spoil stuff that happens that may be similar enough to book material. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...