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At least it's exciting now. We have no idea if Deadpool 3 will do under Morbius or 800M WW Now that's what I call unpredictable

but seriously this is the first daily drop that isn't a complete disaster for that movie

I want what you're smoking if you think Spider-Man: No Way Home is anything but a universally-loved movie with the GA

You only need to have Baldur's Gate in the title because the characters go there and it takes place in that city, not because you're adapting the games. Name recognition. That's all.

Yeah having Baldur's Gate in the title would be an easy way to gather at least some interest. BG3 was a MASSIVE success, already won game of the year in a few awards, and is the favorite to win game of the year overall right now

Well if he's willing to take a pay-cut because he loves the project, it might be doable. They gotta reduce the budget. But at this point I'm pretty sure a sequel would out-open the original. This movie series has had a lot of time on streaming to gain new fans.

So let's pretend I'm Kevin Feige in 2019 here, what would I have done to make sure I don't oversaturate the market, but at the same time reach Secret Wars cohesively in 2025? Well here is a revised release schedule that takes into account studio obligations (Spider-Man Sony, Deadpool, F4+X-men rights reverting in March 2019, and COVID delays) Initial release dates are earlier, not shown. Final release dates after COVID delay are as follows: Date Title Notes May 2021 WandaVision (Disney+) Slight delay for minor changes November 2021 Black Widow Character send-off, already filming December 2021 Spider-Man: No Way Home March 2022 Thor 4 + Captain Marvel 2 Living Tribunal introduction July 2022 Doctor Strange 2 Different November 2022 Captain America 4 May 2023 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 August 2023 Fantastic Four Dr. Doom introduction November 2023 Any TV Show (Disney+) Can be literally anything February 2024 Deadpool 3 $$$$ printing money goes brrrr May 2024 Avengers: Battle World Beyonder shenanigans December 2024 Scarlet Witch in Hell Wtf is this you ask? Setup for below May 2025 Avengers: Secret Wars Doom threatens the Multiverse 3 releases per year, as it was before Avengers: Endgame, and 9 releases in total by November 2023, compared to 19 now with Kevin Feige. 2 TV seasons, that's it. So, less than half of the releases we've had, and less than a quarter of the total runtime than we've had due to cutting all those pointless TV shows that only managed to damage the brand. Also, never release a movie on Disney+ a mere 45 days after release. NEVER!! Full theatrical release window, always. We would be having the first teaser for Avengers: Battle World right around now as we speak, so we already know where this all leads (all thanks to incorporating elements of Battle World and Secret Wars earlier, more on that below), and first trailer for Deadpool 3 coming next year. Deadpool 3 could be moved a bit later, if needed. WandaVision is literally just giving it few more months to properly reshoot and edit together the last episode which was kinda... rushed, and bad. Maybe change up things, but the core story remains. Black Widow delaying it so it has more time for VFX and reshoots fixing up the 3rd act. Was already filming back when the announcement was made so I can't just delete it from the release schedule. None of the other announced titles were filming, so RIP them. No Loki because the multiverse mechanics introduced in the show contradict those in Spider-Man No Way Home and Doctor Strange 2. No go. Since we're going with the Multiverse, those things HAVE to make sense if you want people to get invested. You need verisimilitude, and the TVA ain't it as it exists too much in a microcosm of itself. Yes I would combine Thor 4 and Captain Marvel 2 into 1 movie. It's the cosmic side of the MCU and they go very well together, as their minimal screentime in Endgame revealed. Most important part: introducing the Living Tribunal (Multiverse authority), so audience know where we are going with this. Maybe even The Beyonder but only in passing, it's not a must. Thor + CM in the same movie just has got to be fun and popular anyway. +GOTG cameo as they are with Thor at the end of Endgame. Hire the WRITER of Thor: Ragnarok (crucial mistake by Marvel with writers in general in Phase 4 and 5) Doctor Strange 2 would be Strange and Wanda teaming up against Nightmare/Mephisto, but Wanda goes crazy at the midpoint because of the Darkhold and becomes the movie's villain after defeating the decoy villain. So we at least have what people wanted to see: Wanda and Strange together, albeit not for long. The Darkhold VERY EXPLICITLY corrupts her here and shows her that she can extract her children from another reality and bring them in her own, causing an incursion that destroys that reality in the process. So, pretty bad outcome, except for Wanda, who is like, I am OBVIOUSLY doing this, and Strange is like, wait trading your children for an entire reality? NOPE. They fight, with more cool spells and magic not just energy balls please, and Wanda loses because Strange is smarter even though she has more raw power. He traps her in a cool spell. Strange banishes the Darkhold. Wanda gets arrested by an agent of the Living Tribunal at the end, for her crimes against the Multiverse, tying it up together with the previous movie that introduced said agent. No more under the influence of the Darkhold, Wanda goes in willingly, horrified of what she's done and wanted to do. Different story details and side characters can be arranged if necessary, but the ending is important. No ruined Professor X cameo either. Cap 4 can be literally anything, doesn't matter. It's studio-mandated at this point. Keep in mind Falcon and the Winter Soldier hasn't happened, and definitely won't happen, so there should still be some goodwill for the character left. If we're gonna do a gritty political thriller, at least let's do it right, and let's not have him openly defend terrorists this time. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 no change. Fantastic Four can be anything. Introduce Dr.Doom, but he's in the backdrop. Maybe he even helps the heroes? Or maybe he's only referenced as having fought them before? Not even sure that movie's necessary to be honest, but let's do the F4 right if we're doing it. At very minimum Dr.Doom shows up in post-credits. After F4 we have room here for any TV show we want. Any hero, villain, whatever. Some room to adapt. Obligatory for the studio to have at least 1 other Disney+ show at some point, so here it is. No Black Panther 2, the actor is dead. Let it rest, Marvel. Wakanda Forever is so obviously made for dollar reasons, it's not even funny. Deadpool 3 whatever, doesn't matter. We all know it's just a movie for $$$ anyway. They'll all show up in the next movie. Avengers: Battle World (park an 18-wheeler full of cash in front of the writers of Infinity War and Endgame) Now this is where the fun begins. Without going into details too much, The Beyonder, a mysterious cosmic entity, does like in the comics and grabs ALL the heroes and villains and puts them on Battle World, a far-away planet, to fight against each other. Lots of cool things happen, minor fights and conflicts everywhere, but in the chaos Dr.Doom manages to steal The Beyonder's power, and becomes OP, but ends up "defeated" by the heroes. I could add more details here but it's the gist of it, and what's important is that Dr Doom attempts to fuck with the Multiverse here too, and is arrested by the same agent of Living Tribunal. Scarlet Witch in Hell After the events of Avengers: Battle World, Dr Doom ended up imprisoned in the -same- place as Wanda by the Living Tribunal for his crimes against the Multiverse. Important to show that he kinda wanted this. Wanda is depressed as fuck and doesn't care about anything, but he sees the potential in her. Cue little bit of dark humor as a villain tries to cheer up Wanda but fails to understand her because he is... too villainous. Eventually he convinces her that with his newfound power he can easily give her the family she longs for. Together, they escape (more complicated than that but keeping it simple), but instead of ending up in Latveria (Doom's country he leads) they end up in HELL, because with Wanda it's always more chaotic than intended. Wanda is triggered by this because Hell is where Chthon lives and that's who created the Darkhold that basically... ruined her life! Maybe there's a reason they ended up in hell after all. She fully intends on wiping the floor with all of hell as a revenge. Doom doesn't want this but it's quite humorous because he can't manage to redirect her anger here. sigh oh well, looks like we're destroying hell because why not at this point. A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. Agent of Living Tribunal (at this point he/she's somewhat becoming the Coulson of this phase) finally manages to find the fugitives all the way in hell but Dr.Doom yeets them away effortlessly, showing he's been hiding how powerful he is. Remember he still has Beyonder's massive cosmic powers, and probably lost on purpose all this time. He's powerful enough to bring Wanda to Latveria against her will, but he's enjoying this at the same time. Finally, she kills Chthon and it's cathartic, and they go back to Latveria where Doom really quickly and subtly reprograms White Vision and manifests her children on the side, fake ones. Bringing the real children from another reality isn't even necessary. Wanda doesn't know they're fake, and although subconsciously she might suspect something is weird, Wanda and being in denial basically go hand in hand, and so she's over the moon happy at this point. The movie literally ends with Wanda and Victor Von Doom getting married in a "rousing" moment and Doom succeeding on his Hero's (Villain's) Journey. Post-credits is him setting himself up for domination as Living Tribunal himself comes to apprehend him, and... fails! (though it's only a setback, you can't kill Living Tribunal). Dr.Doom is truly omnipotent now, leading us to Secret Wars. Avengers: Secret Wars Dr.Doom threatens the whole Multiverse. He is just everywhere. This is it... Avengers, assemble! Bring back ANYONE here, cameos, X-men, all Marvel universes come together for a big fan-favorite event of massive proportions. Meanwhile Beyonder is roaming the universe after losing most of his powers in Avengers: Battle World, and is learning lots of things about life, things he never knew being an omnipotent cosmic entity. A nice pause and philosophical breather from the epic action. More on that soon. So it's everyone against Omnipotent Doom + Scarlet Witch, who is revigorated and determined more than ever not to lose what she has. The ultimate power couple. And the heroes lose, all the time. The duo are just too strong. Before the climax, Vision and Wanda's children from another reality (real ones) manage to show her that her so-called children are... super fake! What the actual FUCK?! is her reaction. After a massive meltdown, and realizing she got played, she vows to betray Doom and give Beyonder his powers back. Side plot to find him again (gives something to do to minor heroes), and that leads us to the climax: now that Scarlet Witch switched sides, the heroes (ALL of them + X-men + F4, let's be wild) manage to overthrow him, finally. But it took everything they had. Then Beyonder's powers are returned as planned. But plot twist: he doesn't care now. After roaming the universe as a mostly mundane being, he doesn't give a rat's ass about Battle World, Doom, the heroes, the villains, anything. So he returns to his cosmic realm and that's... a dead end. Knowing that Doom will always, always be a threat, and so he must be stopped now or he'll return in the Multiverse in some way, shape or form, Scarlet Witch asks Living Tribunal, her jailor, for special permission to access the Multiverse one last time for an ultimate but necessary maneuver. Living Tribunal analyzes the plan and approves of it as being proper judgment. With Doctor Strange's help, who brings the Darkhold back from banishment, she uses it one last fucking time to destroy all versions of Doom in the Multiverse, and fold the doomed realities into the main reality (or just nuking the Multiverse) leading to a reset of some sort. That much power requires her to sacrifice herself in addition to drawing all of the Darkhold's power in all the universes (destroying it), which she does. Her sacrifice is accepted by Living Tribunal as final punishment for her crimes. It's over. She and Doom are no more. A new dawn on a new universe. ____________________________________________________________ There. Secret Wars done by 2025 with only 3 releases per year and room to add something. We've gone full circle narratively and thematically with the Multiverse (and the Darkhold) as Phase4 started with WandaVision. Ending with a throwback to the beginning is always a good writing technique. Our MacGuffins remain relevant throughout. And we've got a fresh new universe ready to incorporate the X-Men and whatever else Marvel wants or needs to conjure, as well as proper justification for their inclusion. Scarlet Witch was the ideal character to do this wipe, hence fleshing her out in a solo outing and many recurring roles, because she's a known entity and a popular character in the MCU who has been there for a while, unlike the others from the comics who would have needed to be introduced. We all saw what happens when you introduce powerful characters near the end of your story (Captain Marvel). It's... generally unfavorably received. Here, it fits, and in Secret Wars her ending the Multiverse mirrors Tony Stark's snap at the end of Avengers: Endgame. No Multiverse shenanigans after this reset too - it's done. That can only last so long before people tire of it... There are always the alternate dimensions to pool from (Doctor Strange 3?) Is it perfect? Far from it. But I conjured this up in a couple hours while sipping chocolate milk.

I know this isn't a Marvel vs DC thread but DC can't possibly be happy with The Marvels flopping like this? I mean, outside of fans of course. DC fans are probably over the moon. But DC as a studio are probably worried by this. This is a bad omen for the genre, and for them by extension. A rising tide rises all ships and all that.

The Marvels thursday number under Morbius 1.2M vs 1.3M The Morbillion and Marvillion unity has been accomplished Together, they shall reign under Box Office for all eternity

I have many problems with the show Ms.Marvel but Iman Vellani isn't one of them. She was a great lead character.

Since January 2021 and debuting with Wandavision, Marvel have released 19 titles. Either TV show seasons or movies. 19 releases in 34 months. And it has certainly felt that way. Even worse in 2021, from Wandavision to Spider-Man No Way Home only 11 months passed. 8 Titles in 11 months. The level of quality needed to maintain the interest in such a packed release schedule is out of this world. Basically, every single entry needs to be mind-blowing in order to retain audience. At that point I would say they still largely had the trust of audiences. But one mistake and it hurts you VERY badly. Much worse than a company who releases very sparingly. Look no further, that's what damaged their franchise. Oversaturation. Dilution. They are on the verge of being deleted into obsolescence right now, because of this. Imagine if any other franchise pulled that shit. No matter how good it is, it would crater to below Earth level in no time. Baffling to me that Marvel never noticed this crucial mistake, like at all, and not even once considered it as the massive threat it was to their own survival. Because it was always a threat. It was obvious to anyone paying attention the minute they announced the D+ shows in 2019. 3 movies a year was already stretching it... and they went all-in on that

They can't just scrap everything they've invested in. But at the same time I feel like... they should? Nobody, literally nobody cares about what they have set for release soon except for Deadpool 3. D-tier and Disney+ characters no one wants to see, coming out of mediocre shows. The Marvels was supposed to be their heavy hitter to satisfy people while continuing to advance the side characters. Oops. Captain Falcon, if they release it, will be a colossal failure. He has ZERO charisma and will be compared to Chris Evans in the role very, very unfavorably. And I don't even dislike the guy, he's fine. But it's just the sad truth. What a mess they've wrote themselves into. Willingly. Deliberately. String of poor decisions one after the other. And it can all be traced to when they announced the Disney+ shows. I guess if there's one positive it's that it will force them to stop this madness they had going, and go back to making good stuff. Or die in obscurity. At this point I'm like fuck it guys, bring Scarlet Witch back in Deadpool 3 and have her delete the whole universe. "No more trash movies" It'd make more sense than what we have at this point

It's the same for me and all the people I know. Before we could muster a group of people, different people every time, to go watch marvel movies in theaters. It was really easy. Basically you just asked and available people would jump in the occasion. Now it's just... over. Nobody cares about Marvel movies anymore in my group of friends. But I already have people that want to go see Dune 2 with me. I went to see Barbie with people easily. Oppenheimer, easy. Mission Impossible, easy. The balance has shifted massively. A caveat: GOTG3 was easy as if suddenly it was the good old times. Anecdotical, I know, but still.

Jesus BO, stop beating that poor movie. It's already dead!

Not entirely. I would even say that's just the tip of the problem. I think that in truth, the mediocre, unexciting Disney+ shows that they keep churning out killed the franchise. That's what killed the MCU. Not the substandard movies. Marvel got away with releasing mediocre movies in the first 3 phases. But they never diluted their content. Also they were building up to something. Not anymore. For the record I really enjoyed Loki season 2. Hope they continue down that path more

Yikes this is an absolute disaster I'd like to be a fly on the wall in a Marvel meeting resulting from this

I think there isn't enough draw to the movie apart from Tom Cruise stunts (which has a ceiling in terms of potential reach) Anyway, thanks a lot guys especially TalismanRing for the dutiful posting of numbers, much appreciated. Keep up the good work! Is there a way to gauge audience reception of films in Korea besides box office? Like Audience Score on a KR website or something (like Douban for China)

reallly busy these days but I just wanna pop in and say Goddamnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn what a performnce for those movies. Let's go! No sequels/franchises too This is what needs to happen to show Hollywood that original movies can really perform

great drop for guardians

Exact same top 3 as me, incredible The rest moves around compared to you but I also think BP2 is the worst phase 4 movie. Hell, I even think it's the worst MCU property they've ever done, movies and TV shows combined.

Well I'm gonna concur with everyone what the hell is this, why haven't I heard of it before, and yes I'm gonna watch it

I'm guessing double-features with GOTG3?

All websites using a consensus-research model (based on upvotes/downvotes systems) eventually become clown shows.

Is it just me or is this movie a massive metaphorical arraignment of massive corporations like… Disney? That they like to play god and want to own everything there is to own, including ideas. A bit ironic. Normally I'd say Mantis and Drax stole the show as usual, but everyone brings their A-games to this in terms of acting, even Zoe Saldana who acts just ever so slightly different, not overbearingly so, enough to make us believe that this is a different Gamora. Well done on the story front, although perhaps a bit too long and just too out there sometimes. But it's thematically rich and character-driven. I must commend James Gunn here for improving his action directing. He has stepped up since the first Guardians of the Galaxy. Here the action feels a lot punchier and is especially edited together in more comprehensive and exciting fashion. In the first movie the action scenes were the worst parts, but they got better in this one. I think James Gunn is a talented director and clearly this feels like an actual movie and not just another chapter of the MCU. However, as much as I think it's true, I'm still not a big fan of his style overall. Sometimes he just nails it, but other times… it's a bit much. He over-indulges, often, in all his movies I've seen except maybe the first Guardians of the Galaxy (maybe he was a bit more prudent?) Regardless, I imagine that some people will strongly connect with this movie. I didn't, but I can see how it could be incredibly moving for some people. Like I said, it's a character driven and very much emotional ride. And it's directed very well. I would put it slightly above the 2nd one. B

Got my GOTG3 ticket for tomorrow night, haven't seen a movie in theaters on a Tuesday in years