Avatar: The Way of Water | 16 DEC 2022 | Don't worry guys, critics like it

[Deuce66]

13 hours ago, Alexdube said:

The tweet I think you are referring to with 18 comments is only for a 1:20 minute clip. The 4.8 million views is for the live stream which lasted 24 hours. It got trending at some point, 4.8 million views is not unrealistic

 

The first tweet about the 10th Anniversary had 152K views, the reminder hit 356K so it makes sense that the actual event would pull that kind of number, it doesn't mean that everyone watched all 24 hours of it or just tuned in to listen to who interested them the most. 

 

 

 

 

 

[RealLyre]

 

 

 

 

 

[TomCruiseTop]

After giving it some serious thought, and re-watching the movie over the holidays) I think that Avatar attempted to move us back to a domain of authentic human (read: native peoples) values. More and more, the message that people are getting when they rewatch Avatar, they realise that it is not a journey into an alien consciousness, or into some simulacrum of our own chaotic civilisation. At heart it’s a journey into the presence of the Gaian mind via Eywa, reminding us of our gene deep knowledge that the Earth is a coherent whole: it is a thinking, feeling, intending, being – that in terms of our value structures, it would be foolish to image as anything other than female. And when cultural values created by male dominance and science and linearity and so forth and so on – when those values are dissolved, what is waiting there is this incredibly poignant experience of nothing more than our bodies and the Earth (Eywa), out of which our bodies came.

History, as we have lived it in the West, has been a turning of our back on that; and now history has failed. Western cultural institutions, having become global institutions, now show themselves to be inadequate to inspire, lead or carry anyone into a future worth living in. The current climate crisis I think reminds us that reconnecting to the Gaian mind is a kind of moral imperative.

I think we have to abandon Western cultural values and return to the deeper wisdom of the body in connection with plants. That’s the seamless web that leads us back into the heart of nature; and if we can do this, then this very narrow neck of cultural crisis can be navigated. Very little of the past can be saved. The architectonics, the machines, the systems of monetary exchange and propaganda, the silly religions, the asinine aesthetic canons, very little of that can be saved. What needs to be saved is the sense of love and caring, and mutuality, that we all put into and take from the human enterprise. You know, there’s a Grateful Dead song that says “You can’t go back and you can’t stand still. If the thunder don’t get you, then the lightning will.” And we now hold, through the human imagination, a tool of sufficient power that if we use it, we can deconstruct the lethal vehicle that is carrying us toward the brink of apocalypse. We can deconstruct that vehicle and redesign it into a kind of spacecraft that would carry us and our children out into the broad starry galaxy we know to be awaiting us.

What we face now is a cultural test. Nature is pitiless. Intelligence is a grand experiment upon which a great deal has been bet. If we prove inadequate, nature will cover us over with the same kind of cool impunity that she covered over the dinosaurs and the trilobites and the crossopterygian fishes, and all those other things that came before. So what we must do, I think, is embrace Avatar, see our future in the imagination. Catalyse the imagination. Form symbiotic relationships with the Earth. 

Affirm native values, spread the good news that what is out of control, what is in fact dying, is a world that had become too top-heavy with its own hubris, too bent by its own false value systems, and too dehumanised to care about what happens to its own children. So I say, good riddance to it! Bring on the Avatar sequels, and let us hope they can help us usher in a new age. 
 

[Avatree]

7 hours ago, RealLyre said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm at work, so not gonna post it, but please imagine that below this sentence is the gif of Randy from South Park jizzing over his computer screen .

[Deuce66]

First day back to work in 2020 and the Avatar machine is starting up with some new eye candy - awesome, at minimum these sequels are going to be a visual orgasm. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Deuce66]

Avatar is now partnered with Mercedes Benz on the cutting edge AVTR concept vehicle. Go to the 18 minute mark on the video.

 

https://media.mercedes-benz.com/ces2020?video=57e9df5b-d0e9-4bed-bd41-b93b86303a9b

 

 

[Deuce66]

Lots of photos here.

 

https://media.mercedes-benz.com/article/9494398d-9195-474f-a8a0-0d9a61e98511

 

 

 

 

 

[Avatree]

12 minutes ago, Deuce66 said:

Lots of photos here.

 

https://media.mercedes-benz.com/article/9494398d-9195-474f-a8a0-0d9a61e98511

 

 

 

 

 

 

So that vehicle is going to serve as some transport in avatar 2? 

 

That mercedes logo is not gonna feel out of place and obvious product placement in the film.

[TomCruiseTop]

Does anyone know of other franchises that have done anything like this? Daimler is no small fry, and I know Jim is a big dog, but even I'm surprised at this one. 

[XXR vs XXR]

9 minutes ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

Does anyone know of other franchises that have done anything like this? Daimler is no small fry, and I know Jim is a big dog, but even I'm surprised at this one. 

 

Done what? Partnered with a car company for a vehicle? Several. 
 

[Deuce66]

37 minutes ago, Avatree said:

 

So that vehicle is going to serve as some transport in avatar 2? 

 

That mercedes logo is not gonna feel out of place and obvious product placement in the film.

 

If the humans build roads on Pandora maybe but unlikely, if they have any scenes on Earth perhaps. 

[Deuce66]

18 minutes ago, VenomXXR said:

 

Done what? Partnered with a car company for a vehicle? Several. 
 

 

Any examples? and not a case of just slapping the movie's logos on a existing model. The Mercedes AVTR concept was built from the ground up with Avatar and its messages of sustainability in mind.  

[Deuce66]

30 minutes ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

Does anyone know of other franchises that have done anything like this? Daimler is no small fry, and I know Jim is a big dog, but even I'm surprised at this one. 

 

They would've done their due diligence before getting involved with Lightstorm. Clearly they like the direction of these sequels and the environmental message.  

[Avatree]

38 minutes ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

Does anyone know of other franchises that have done anything like this? Daimler is no small fry, and I know Jim is a big dog, but even I'm surprised at this one. 

 

Justice League

 

Minority Report (Lexus)

 

I Robot

 

The Island

 

 

(and, of course the brand new...

 

in Spies in Disguise!!

 

There have been various cars like these over past few decades. Custom cars built as a deal between movie studio and car brand, for promotion.

James Bond has had a few of these i think. including in the most recent one.

 

Somewhat common and has very little to do with the quality or type of movie. Although these are all in sci fi movies (unsurprising given the nature of the prototype cars)

 

Edited January 7, 2020 by Avatree

[Deuce66]

 

 

Mercedes revelaed last night at CES the Avatar inspired VisionAVTR, all electric, concept car. Proud of Ben Procter's, Dylan P. Cole's and the rest of our art department's collaboration on the design of the car.

[TomCruiseTop]

30 minutes ago, Avatree said:

Somewhat common and has very little to do with the quality or type of movie. Although these are all in sci fi movies (unsurprising given the nature of the prototype cars)

 

I was well aware of those you mentioned, I was thinking ones that probably won't be appearing in the movie itself. (Unless as already mentioned they're going to be building roads on Pandora). 

[Avatree]

3 minutes ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

I was well aware of those you mentioned, I was thinking ones that probably won't be appearing in the movie itself. (Unless as already mentioned they're going to be building roads on Pandora). 

Why would this brand collab / deal be done if they didn't put the car in the movie...?

That's the point of it. Mercedes certainly have nothing to gain by making an Avatar car that never gets shown to the public. And its not like they are planning to make this into a real car. 😛 

 

It will be in the film in some shape or form.

[Deuce66]

4 hours ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

After giving it some serious thought, and re-watching the movie over the holidays) I think that Avatar attempted to move us back to a domain of authentic human (read: native peoples) values. More and more, the message that people are getting when they rewatch Avatar, they realise that it is not a journey into an alien consciousness, or into some simulacrum of our own chaotic civilisation. At heart it’s a journey into the presence of the Gaian mind via Eywa, reminding us of our gene deep knowledge that the Earth is a coherent whole: it is a thinking, feeling, intending, being – that in terms of our value structures, it would be foolish to image as anything other than female. And when cultural values created by male dominance and science and linearity and so forth and so on – when those values are dissolved, what is waiting there is this incredibly poignant experience of nothing more than our bodies and the Earth (Eywa), out of which our bodies came.

History, as we have lived it in the West, has been a turning of our back on that; and now history has failed. Western cultural institutions, having become global institutions, now show themselves to be inadequate to inspire, lead or carry anyone into a future worth living in. The current climate crisis I think reminds us that reconnecting to the Gaian mind is a kind of moral imperative.

I think we have to abandon Western cultural values and return to the deeper wisdom of the body in connection with plants. That’s the seamless web that leads us back into the heart of nature; and if we can do this, then this very narrow neck of cultural crisis can be navigated. Very little of the past can be saved. The architectonics, the machines, the systems of monetary exchange and propaganda, the silly religions, the asinine aesthetic canons, very little of that can be saved. What needs to be saved is the sense of love and caring, and mutuality, that we all put into and take from the human enterprise. You know, there’s a Grateful Dead song that says “You can’t go back and you can’t stand still. If the thunder don’t get you, then the lightning will.” And we now hold, through the human imagination, a tool of sufficient power that if we use it, we can deconstruct the lethal vehicle that is carrying us toward the brink of apocalypse. We can deconstruct that vehicle and redesign it into a kind of spacecraft that would carry us and our children out into the broad starry galaxy we know to be awaiting us.

What we face now is a cultural test. Nature is pitiless. Intelligence is a grand experiment upon which a great deal has been bet. If we prove inadequate, nature will cover us over with the same kind of cool impunity that she covered over the dinosaurs and the trilobites and the crossopterygian fishes, and all those other things that came before. So what we must do, I think, is embrace Avatar, see our future in the imagination. Catalyse the imagination. Form symbiotic relationships with the Earth. 

Affirm native values, spread the good news that what is out of control, what is in fact dying, is a world that had become too top-heavy with its own hubris, too bent by its own false value systems, and too dehumanised to care about what happens to its own children. So I say, good riddance to it! Bring on the Avatar sequels, and let us hope they can help us usher in a new age. 
 

 

Jim has a saying that modern urban humans suffer from "Nature Deficit Disorder" and it's making us ill, I agree with this. I'm also a lot more cynical than he is in terms of possible solutions, we can't (un)build cities and scatter populations to rural communities due to our numbers. Solutions that won't cause untold misery for millions? I have no idea. 

[XXR vs XXR]

Detailed look at the car.

[The Futurist]

1 hour ago, Deuce66 said:

 

Jim has a saying that modern urban humans suffer from "Nature Deficit Disorder" and it's making us ill, I agree with this. I'm also a lot more cynical than he is in terms of possible solutions, we can't (un)build cities and scatter populations to rural communities due to our numbers. Solutions that won't cause untold misery for millions? I have no idea. 

Yeah, our situation is such a clusterfuck people have actually no idea.

Cities are energy gobblers no matter what.

I sadly truly believe the course correction is gonna be awful & tragic and catastrophic and yes, all  apocalyptical movies will be proven right.

Eneregy allowed us to enslave millions of machines for our comfort, wonder how long we have left.

I think energy limitations will doom us before any catastrophic climate situation but I could be wrong.

And the specialists I know think it will be both which could be a nightmarish hell on earth scenario.

 

Just look at what Germany did in the last 10 years, you will see there is no Plan B sadly ...

Edited January 7, 2020 by The Futurist