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[SpiderByte]

I can't imagine how they even would, Doom reportedly isn't in Fantastic Four, for literally the first time in the history of that franchise

[Porthos]

6 hours ago, SpiderByte said:

8 billion for Disney is almost nothing though. In September they announced 60 billion for the Parks. 8 for full control of Hulu is honestly a steal, id have guessed at least 10.

 

It's not gonna be 8b as the absolute lowest is 8.6b.  Likely gonna be closer to or over 9b when all is said and done, even after accounting for the offset/dues/back payment that @Potiki mentioned.

 

6 hours ago, Jonwo said:

It was rumoured to be high as $26bn.

 

No no no, that's confusing overall value of Hulu with how much Disney needs to pay for the 33% share!!! Ain't no one out there who thinks Hulu is worth $78b! 😉 

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by Porthos

[MovieMan89]

4 hours ago, WittyUsername said:

They’ve obviously shown a questionable track record at best, but MyTimeToShine is claiming that Marvel does not in fact plan on replacing Kang with Dr. Doom. 

There is no “righting” the Kang ship at this point. It doesn’t even matter if Majors were to have a full recovery with the public, people don’t care about the character. Move on from that anchor or watch it sink the franchise. 

[SpiderByte]

1 hour ago, MovieMan89 said:

There is no “righting” the Kang ship at this point. It doesn’t even matter if Majors were to have a full recovery with the public, people don’t care about the character. Move on from that anchor or watch it sink the franchise. 

I don't really think just suddenly pivoting to Doom fixes those problems. Recasting Majors fixes any real issues with it.

[Dominic Draper]

 

 

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/streaming-tv-ratings-oct-2-8-2023-1235635865/

 

Big drop from the first season

Edited November 3, 2023 by Dominic Draper

[Porthos]

4 minutes ago, Dominic Draper said:

 

 

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/streaming-tv-ratings-oct-2-8-2023-1235635865/

 

Big drop from the first season

 

As I mentioned in the Streaming Tracking thread, it's not strictly apples-to-apples given Loki S1 had an extra day-and-two-thirds to rack up more views (dropping at 12am Pacific on Wed vs 6pm Pacific Thr).  Then again, as the article does note, that Nielsen figure also includes any and all S1 "catch up" viewing, so it cuts both ways.

 

Was there a drop off?

 

Absolutely.

 

Do we know how much?

 

Not to the precision THR and others are claiming.

 

Was it quite a bit?  Oh yes. Yes, indeed.

 

Will we know more by this time next week?  Yep.

 

(is this yet another reason why the guilds have been fighting tooth and nail for streaming numbers in their contract fights??? DING DING DING DING)

[Arlborn]

1 hour ago, Porthos said:

 

As I mentioned in the Streaming Tracking thread, it's not strictly apples-to-apples given Loki S1 had an extra day-and-two-thirds to rack up more views (dropping at 12am Pacific on Wed vs 6pm Pacific Thr).  Then again, as the article does note, that Nielsen figure also includes any and all S1 "catch up" viewing, so it cuts both ways.

 

Was there a drop off?

 

Absolutely.

 

Do we know how much?

 

Not to the precision THR and others are claiming.

 

Was it quite a bit?  Oh yes. Yes, indeed.

 

Will we know more by this time next week?  Yep.

 

(is this yet another reason why the guilds have been fighting tooth and nail for streaming numbers in their contract fights??? DING DING DING DING)

Great context for numbers as usual Porthos, lovely to have you around.

 

The funny thing about whatever the drop off ends up being is that this season is even more enjoyable than the first one for me and anyone else I personally talked to about it. 
 

Quantumania plus Majors effect in action? Maybe some people just don’t wanna see more of Kang, at all. 
 

Repeat with me for the 69th time guys: They really need to kill Kang off in Loki.

 

Edited November 3, 2023 by Arlborn

[SpiderByte]

It's worth noting season 1 was, and I believe still is (not accounting for multiple episodes releases) the biggest premiere they've had, so even a dip is still a successful show for the platform.

 

Echos trailer is reportedly tomorrow, which I'm sure won't be at all bombarded with idiots after the dumbass South Park thing about diversity where everyone thinks Cartman is apparently the character the authors use as the voice of reason and not the guy they use for all the shit they think is stupid 

[Porthos]

10 minutes ago, Arlborn said:

Quantumania plus Majors effect in action? Maybe some people just don’t wanna see more of Kang, at all. 

 

Whoooo, boy.  I dunno.  I'm leery of over-analyzing 3.5 days of data as if I had done that for The Mandalorian S3 even after a couple of weeks of data, I would have looked pretty damn silly as while it never quite got the insane levels of week-to-week pure viewership of Mando S2, it more or less held its audience as the season went on:

 

Here is the Mando time charts I have:

 

Mando	Min View (Weekly)	Min Added (Weekly)		Min View (Total)	Minutes (Total)		Views (Total)
Season 1	5420m*	315		5420m	315		17.21m
S2 Week 1	1032m	52		6452m	367		17.58m
S2 Week 2	955m	40		7407m	407		18.20m
S2 Week 3	873m	35		8280m	442		18.73m
S2 Week 4	939m	37		9219m	479		19.25m
S2 Week 5	1210m	45		10429m	524		19.90m
S2 Week 6	994m	32		11423m	556		20.54m
S2 Week 7	1042m	38		12465m	594		20.98m
S2 Week 8	1336m	44		13801m	638		21.63m
S2 Week 9	1024m	—		14825m	638		23.24m
S2 Week 10	707m	—		15532m	638		24.34m
S2 Week 11	441m	—		15973m	638		25.04m
S2 Week 12	339m	—		16312m	638		25.57m
S3 Week -1	213m*	—		16525m	638		25.90m
S3 Week 1	823m	35		17348m	673		25.78m
S3 Week 2	889m	42		18237m	715		25.51m
S3 Week 3	1115m	56		19352m	771		25.10m
S3 Week 4	795m	31		20147m	802		25.12m
S3 Week 5	878m	41		21025m	843		24.94m
S3 Week 6	1031m	45		22056m	888		24.84m
S3 Week 7	1025m	51		23081m	939		24.58m
S3 Week 8	1012m	39		24093m	978		24.63m
S3 Week 9	498m	—		24591m	978		25.14m
S3 Week 10	319m	—		24910m	978		25.47m
S3 Week 11	242m	—		25152m	978		25.72m
S3 Week 12	205m	—		25357m	978		25.93m

 

Now the whole idea of "Total Views" (ie presuming 1 person watches THE ENTIRE CATALOGUE OF A SERIES exactly once) is highly highly flawed, but it's probably the least flawed measurement we peons can come up with until Nielsen (or someone else) graces us with something better.

 

Anyway, if you look at S3 it started with about 21m to 23m views per week if folks were only watching the new episode that week, which was down from the cumulative total view of 25m-ish viewers.

 

That's about a 10% drop, right???

 

Except...

 

Except as the season went on, viewership went back up.  Take S3 Week 4.  That looks 795m looks bad right? Except if it was only folks watching that episode that week (and again it isn't but roll with me), that'd be 25.6m views that week! 

 

Then there is the Nielsen data that we have after the season was over as folks were catching up (or rewatching favs).  When all was said and done, the "Total Views" of all of The Mandalorian got back to more or less where it was at the beginning of the season.  And one might also note how strong Mando was post S2-finale as something of a compare/contrast (though AGAIN timing comes into play as Mando S2 had a midnight Fri release pattern vs Mando S3 Wed midnight release pattern)

 

Does this mean there was no drop off in viewership after all?  That it just took time for folks to catch up? Almost certainly not, as S2 was just a juggernaut some weeks (S2 Week 7, for instance would have been 27.4m views if everyone was just watching the new episode).  But was it as much of a drop as it might have seemed at the beginning?  Especially from those initial press reports which made the rounds?

 

Again, no, almost certainly not.

 

Thus I am... hesitant to over-interpret at this point in time. 🙂 

 

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Now this does look to be a much larger drop off for Loki I have to say.  But all I really am saying is we probably need more numbers before we can really comment.

[SpiderByte]

Oh my God do we seriously need tracking for Nielsen ratings too

[Porthos]

10 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

Oh my God do we seriously need tracking for Nielsen ratings too

 

Yes?  We've been doing it for a long time in the Streaming section.  

 

[MovieMan89]

Loki season 1 was still during covid streaming days, so it would be surprising if this didn’t drop big. Not really a fair benchmark this time. 

[John Marston]

9 hours ago, WittyUsername said:

They’ve obviously shown a questionable track record at best, but MyTimeToShine is claiming that Marvel does not in fact plan on replacing Kang with Dr. Doom. 

 

 

once The Marvels becomes one of the biggest bombs of all time, all bets are off 

[SpiderByte]

9 minutes ago, John Marston said:

 

 

once The Marvels becomes one of the biggest bombs of all time, all bets are off 

You do realize that Blue Beetle, which made way less money than every other DC release this year, is the only one who's coming back right? So no, they are probably not pivoting all their plans on a dime next week. Jeesh.

[Bob Train]

11 hours ago, SpiderByte said:

You do realize that Blue Beetle, which made way less money than every other DC release this year, is the only one who's coming back right? So no, they are probably not pivoting all their plans on a dime next week. Jeesh.

I will believe it when I see it.

[SpiderByte]

Deadpool just got beat to being Marvels first R rated release.

 

 

[Ryan Reynolds]

Hulu getting too , maybe due to strikes

[SpiderByte]

2 minutes ago, Ryan Reynolds said:

Hulu getting too , maybe due to strikes

Could be, could be concern over content ratings, or just synergy now that Disneys about to own ALL of Hulu.

[SpiderByte]

Even if it's timed, emphasizing the Hulu availability definitely makes me think theyre teeing up combining both services together in some way, or at least the same app.

 

 

[Liiviig 1998]

Color me surprised. This looks good. Whether that pans out into a good show will see.