The Panda Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 So, what is a bad movie? How is one movie a bad movie while another isn't? Are fart jokes (and there was one in the movie) the barometer as to if the movie is good or bad?What makes a movie good or bad depends on what the movie is, what it is aiming to do, and how well it succeeds at its (artistic) goals.There are basic things such as actors/actresses performances, cinematography, script, etc that all come into play. But you can't really make a checklist on what makes a good movie because that depends from film to film. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketheavenger Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 What makes a movie good or bad depends on what the movie is, what it is aiming to do, and how well it succeeds at its (artistic) goals.There are basic things such as actors/actresses performances, cinematography, script, etc that all come into play. But you can't really make a checklist on what makes a good movie because that depends from film to film. And it depends on people's opinions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 What makes a movie good or bad depends on what the movie is, what it is aiming to do, and how well it succeeds at its (artistic) goals.There are basic things such as actors/actresses performances, cinematography, script, etc that all come into play. But you can't really make a checklist on what makes a good movie because that depends from film to film. Every time you post something like this, all I read from it is that you get to determine what is good and what isn't. So if it meets your standards, it is good, if it does not, then it is not a good movie. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted August 16, 2014 Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 And it depends on people's opinions.Partially, but some people have bad opinions. You can objectively say a movie is good and also say it just doesn't fit your taste.Kind of like how Life itself was a well-made documentary, except unless you were a fan of Roger Ebert it came across as boring and pointless.I've also liked/been entertained by a movie more than another but still acknowledged the movie I liked more wasn't as good as the one i didn't like more. (For example boyhood is my second favorite of the year to GOTG but I wholeheartedly recognize Boyhood is the better movie) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Partially, but some people have bad opinions. You can objectively say a movie is good and also say it just doesn't fit your taste.Kind of like how Life itself was a well-made documentary, except unless you were a fan of Roger Ebert it came across as boring and pointless.I've also liked/been entertained by a movie more than another but still acknowledged the movie I liked more wasn't as good as the one i didn't like more. (For example boyhood is my second favorite of the year to GOTG but I wholeheartedly recognize Boyhood is the better movie) If their opinion differs than mine, they are wrong. Pluto buddy, it's calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Partially, but some people have bad opinions. You can objectively say a movie is good and also say it just doesn't fit your taste.Kind of like how Life itself was a well-made documentary, except unless you were a fan of Roger Ebert it came across as boring and pointless.I've also liked/been entertained by a movie more than another but still acknowledged the movie I liked more wasn't as good as the one i didn't like more. (For example boyhood is my second favorite of the year to GOTG but I wholeheartedly recognize Boyhood is the better movie)If you prefer GoTG, then it's the better movie as it was able to appeal and make you enjoy the film more than Boyhood. You sound pretentious right now. "You know, I enjoyed Twilight a lot more than Potter. But Potter is the better film."Uh, no. If you enjoyed it more, then that means it's better. Come on, man. You're in fucking space right now. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted August 16, 2014 Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 Every time you post something like this, all I read from it is that you get to determine what is good and what isn't. So if it meets your standards, it is good, if it does not, then it is not a good movie.It's not hard to determine if a performance or a films cinematography is good. Each movie is supposed to be judged on its own, and there is a difference between me liking a movie and determining if a movie is good.For example, I don't necessarily like all of the movies that are certified fresh, but for the most part they are good films because otherwise you wouldn't have been able to get a 75%+ consensus that the movie was good. Not saying RT is the end all be all of determining a films objective quality, but it's the best way to do it without saying "my opinions right and yours is wrong." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 If you prefer GoTG, then it's the better movie as it was able to appeal and make you enjoy the film more than Boyhood. You sound pretentious right now. "You know, I enjoyed Twilight a lot more than Potter. But Potter is the better film." Uh, no. If you enjoyed it more, then that means it's better. Come on, man. You're in fucking space right now. Okay.... Let me try. I liked John Carter more than Silver Linings Playbook! Ergo... John Carter is the 'better' movie!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Wiseau Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I enjoyed the Room way more than Inception..it means it's a better movie you can't mess with facts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Artist has a 95%+ on RT, and I think it is absolute dogshit. Am I supposed to think it's good because the critics came all over it? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowhite Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) It's not hard to determine if a performance or a films cinematography is good. Each movie is supposed to be judged on its own, and there is a difference between me liking a movie and determining if a movie is good.For example, I don't necessarily like all of the movies that are certified fresh, but for the most part they are good films because otherwise you wouldn't have been able to get a 75%+ consensus that the movie was good. Not saying RT is the end all be all of determining a films objective quality, but it's the best way to do it without saying "my opinions right and yours is wrong." There is no point in trying to determine a film's objective quality. Simply because...there is no such thing. Its a fool's errand. Good films are defined by factors that extend far beyond that which can be objectively defined. You seem to think otherwise...you are wrong. You can certainly point to consensus, but even then...it's still not an objective standard of quality. Some people can't stand this notion that things can't be so neatly and scientifically defined...but it's simply the truth of the matter. Edited August 16, 2014 by kowhite 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted August 16, 2014 Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 If you prefer GoTG, then it's the better movie as it was able to appeal and make you enjoy the film more than Boyhood. You sound pretentious right now. "You know, I enjoyed Twilight a lot more than Potter. But Potter is the better film."Uh, no. If you enjoyed it more, then that means it's better. Come on, man. You're in fucking space right now.I'm not trying to be pretentious but there is a difference between preference and objective quality. Guardians isn't better than Boyhood because of countless reasons, mostly that Boyhood is one of the few truly flawless films I have ever seen. Guardians has flaws, but I was able to ignore them because everything else worked splendidly.Guardians was overall more fun, and I personally enjoyed it more. But I would defend Boyhood as the better movie because it's profound, universally relateable and appealing, more ambitious, more intelligent, better performances, and something that has never been done before.The films really aren't comparable anyways, they strive for different goals. But there's a difference between favorite and best. (Such as I would put Starship Troopers among my favorites but nowhere near among cinemas best) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowhite Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I'm not trying to be pretentious but there is a difference between preference and objective quality. Yes. One is a real thing. The other is bullshit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I get what you're saying, but let me ask you this...have you seen The Thin Red Line (I think that's what it's called)? An absolutely monotonous film. It gets a few points for having pretty cinematography but otherwise, it's really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted August 16, 2014 Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 There is no point in trying to determine a film's objective quality. Simply because...there is no such thing. Its a fool's errand. Good films are defined by factors that extend far beyond that which can be objectively defined. You seem to think otherwise...you are wrong.You can certainly point to consensus, but even then...it's still not an objective standard of quality. Some people can't stand this notion that things can't be so neatly and scientifically defined...but it's simply the truth of the matter.Obviously you can never come upon a fact when it comes to this like you can with science. But that doesn't mean objectivity is impossible.For example, I am a male thus I have no uses for tampons, but I recognize they are a very good and valuable product even though I personally have no use for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Wiseau Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) I get what you're saying, but let me ask you this...have you seen The Thin Red Line (I think that's what it's called)? An absolutely monotonous film. It gets a few points for having pretty cinematography but otherwise, it's really bad. thank you for saying that..it was the most painfully boring movie of all time..or maybe it was Tree of Life or the New World (Pocahontas staring at trees) any Terrence Malick movie in fact Edited August 16, 2014 by Johnny Wiseau 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowhite Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Obviously you can never come upon a fact when it comes to this like you can with science. But that doesn't mean objectivity is impossible.For example, I am a male thus I have no uses for tampons, but I recognize they are a very good and valuable product even though I personally have no use for them. I thought we were talking about movie quality? That's what I'm talking about at least. And you don't seem to get why it's an impossible metric of objectivity. Because "good" has no defined meaning when it comes to film quality. How can you possibly define this objectively, when you will always fail on getting everyone to agree on what "good" even means? Edited August 16, 2014 by kowhite 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted August 16, 2014 Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 Artist has a 95%+ on RT, and I think it is absolute dogshit. Am I supposed to think it's good because the critics came all over it?You're allowed to think what you want, they're your thoughts. And RT is by no means perfect, but overall you can tell distinct differences between films with rotten ratings and films with high fresh ratings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Obviously you can never come upon a fact when it comes to this like you can with science. But that doesn't mean objectivity is impossible.For example, I am a male thus I have no uses for tampons, but I recognize they are a very good and valuable product even though I personally have no use for them. A tampon is a utilitarian tool, with one specific purpose. Film is creative expression, meant to play on a viewer's specific emotion and baggage as much as to exist within its actual frames Bad example Edited August 16, 2014 by Chewy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Wiseau Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 there is an entertaining movie and there is a boring movie good or bad is not the right measure for movies imo..it doesn't really mean much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
