Claire of Themyscira Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I'm back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Kylo totally sounds like Solo. How did I not get that months ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenstate5 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 3 minutes ago, The Futurist said: The wikipedia current summary calls Luke Rey s father. It's somewhat implied but definitely not confirmed or canon. The way they just casually dropped the bomb about Kylo being Han's son was like, "Wait what?" I knew at that point something BIG was going to happen and as soon as Han confronted him... sigh. Regardless, HUGELY entertaining movie with terrific new characters that I love. Rey and Finn are two that I can't wait to keep watching more of, and I'm interested to see more of Poe. And of course, Master Luke. Great battles and set-pieces, even if the story was a bit meandering and paid a bit much lip service to ANH at times. Augh I want episode 8 now :/ 8/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Is it just me, or was there a slight resemblance between Driver and Christensen in the film? I'm wondering if that's part of why they went with Driver. Kinda make him look like Anakin but with Han and Leia's dark hair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvikk Lunsj Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 11 minutes ago, Ozymandias said: Han Solo's death wasn't completely fumbled, but it was hardly dramatic, saw it coming a mile away. The plot had so many similarities to ANH up to that point that I knew it was gonna be the "Vader kills Obi Wan" scene of the movie. Its like poetry, it rhymes. And 10$ says Snoke is really Darth Plagueis that Palpatine rambled on about in ROTS. I hope thats not the case though. Why do not want that to be the case. I hope he is since it would make a villain as strong as Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebody85 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 10 minutes ago, Ozymandias said: Han Solo's death wasn't completely fumbled, but it was hardly dramatic, saw it coming a mile away. The plot had so many similarities to ANH up to that point that I knew it was gonna be the "Vader kills Obi Wan" scene of the movie. Its like poetry, it rhymes. And 10$ says Snoke is really Darth Plagueis that Palpatine rambled on about in ROTS. I hope thats not the case though. Just because you saw it coming doesn't mean it wasn't dramatic for people. He tried to get his long lost son to come back, to take the helmet off so he could see his face. He was trying to satisfy Leahs wishes after their relationship had gone to shit over Bens turn to the dark side. The way they held onto the lightsaber was very dramatic but yes like in ANH, as soon as Rey & Finn were on the upper deck to see the bridge, it was obvious what was going to happen because they weren't going to turn Kylo Ren good this quickly. It worked in the story really well and it also felt like Hans story arc was complete. What more was there to tell? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warriormonk Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Ozymandias said: Han Solo's death wasn't completely fumbled, but it was hardly dramatic, saw it coming a mile away. The plot had so many similarities to ANH up to that point that I knew it was gonna be the "Vader kills Obi Wan" scene of the movie. Its like poetry, it rhymes. And 10$ says Snoke is really Darth Plagueis that Palpatine rambled on about in ROTS. I hope thats not the case though. I would go so far as to say it was the biggest mistake in the movie. (Well Luke not talking was pretty weird decision too.) It was not needed outside of mimicking ANH. It did not add much to Kylo's character arc. It was so obvious it was coming that by the time it happens the emotional impact was missing. And Ford was so good as Han again, I wanted him back for more movies. PS. when i say biggest I dont mean it was bad. just the thing that stood out to me the most. Well that and the question of why Finn was sent to Jakku to kill a village when he works in sanitation. Edited December 18, 2015 by warriormonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The difference between this and ANH is that movie works as a self contained story. This decidedly does not. Pretty much every plot thread is left incomplete and despite being a bigger threat than the Death Star there isn't really a sense of triumph from destroying it. It's just "yay, we bought some time" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebody85 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 8 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said: Kylo totally sounds like Solo. How did I not get that months ago? Yeah Adam Driver even looked like Solo when he took his helmet off in that scene. It was great casting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyLL Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 2 minutes ago, somebody85 said: Just because you saw it coming doesn't mean it wasn't dramatic for people. He tried to get his long lost son to come back, to take the helmet off so he could see his face. He was trying to satisfy Leahs wishes after their relationship had gone to shit over Bens turn to the dark side. Bolded. Han tried to save Ben because Leia asked him to. He did it for her... not his son. A complicated character to the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilmac Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Similarities to ANH: Familiar beats to ANH: another planet/moon-sized battle station, with a single weak point another desert planet opens another droid who is enlisted with invaluable plans family ties dashing and reckless pilot a noble heroine a masked villain dressed in black who reports to a deep-voiced higher power a diminutive alien creature that has a special awareness/knowledge of the Force another cantina scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebody85 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 3 minutes ago, warriormonk said: I would go so far as to say it was the biggest mistake in the movie. (Well Luke not talking was pretty weird decision too.) It was not needed outside of mimicking ANH. It did not add much to Kylo's character arc. It was so obvious it was coming that by the time it happens the emotional impact was missing. And Ford was so good as Han again, I wanted him back for more movies. Ford was great as Han again but he probably didn't want to come back and agreed to this movie, if they would give him a good send off. And it was a good send off because it effected how Rey moves forward and creates hatred for Kylo Ren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Just now, tribefan695 said: The difference between this and ANH is that movie works as a self contained story. This decidedly does not. Pretty much every plot arc in this movie is left incomplete and despite being a bigger threat than the Death Star there isn't really a sense of triumph from destroying it. It's just "yay, we bought some time" Very true. Nothing about this movie is self contained, that's for sure. I still think the new characters really being their own unique and well developed characters are what truly sets it apart though. Rey is no Luke and Finn is no Han. They are very different but work very well. I guess this makes Poe as Leia's comparison in this analogy. Who btw was one of my few disappointments. He was barely involved at all. Hopefully VIII fixes that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyLL Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 4 minutes ago, tribefan695 said: The difference between this and ANH is that movie works as a self contained story. This decidedly does not. Pretty much every plot arc in this movie is left incomplete and despite being a bigger threat than the Death Star there isn't really a sense of triumph from destroying it. It's just "yay, we bought some time" People here are funny. ESB has that issue doubled tripled but it is widely considered to be the best in the series and one of the greatest movies of all time 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 5 minutes ago, tribefan695 said: The difference between this and ANH is that movie works as a self contained story. This decidedly does not. Pretty much every plot arc in this movie is left incomplete and despite being a bigger threat than the Death Star there isn't really a sense of triumph from destroying it. It's just "yay, we bought some time" Its almost the exact same movie as ANH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenstate5 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Film meant to be a rebirth of franchise has allusions to A New Hope despite still managing to be hugely entertaining. Who gives a shit? Oh, right, the godawful Internet. Never more wretched hive of scum and nitpickery 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Actually, my only real disappointments pretty much all stem from lack of screentime for characters. Poe, R2, 3PO, and Phasma (talk about pointless) all got the shaft big time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladels Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Just got back from the theater. It's a good movie and a lot of fun but i think they played too safe and there're too much of setting up for the trilogy that left the film feels incomplete. I give it 8/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 4 minutes ago, tribefan695 said: The difference between this and ANH is that movie works as a self contained story. This decidedly does not. Pretty much every plot arc in this movie is left incomplete and despite being a bigger threat than the Death Star there isn't really a sense of triumph from destroying it. It's just "yay, we bought some time" People here are funny. ESB has that issue doubled tripled but it is widely considered to be the best in the series and one of the greatest movies of all time But this movie also doesn't have any of the emotional hooks that film does. Granted, ESB was underappreciated in its time but I can't imagine this movie ultimately being seen as much more than a diverting setup for a bigger story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShouldIBeHere Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Seriously, people on a movie board discussing box office numbers day after day now complain about people on the internet who do not think this was all that great? LOL. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
