Tuesday (19 January) actuals | Revenent 3.14 | SW7 $2.38 | Ride Along 2 $2.278 | 13h $1.84 | DH 702k | Big Short 573k | chart p.4 | major release date changes p.1

[e1828]

21 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

BoxOffice ‏@BoxOffice 

Disney will now release STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII on December 15, 2017.

 

BoxOffice ‏@BoxOffice

Disney will now release PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES on May 26, 2017.

 

Avatar 2 still slated for December 25, 2017, December 2017 is going to be... HUGE.

[Daxtreme]

So will Avatar 2 keep the same release date? It's set to release 1 week after Star Wars Episode 8.

 

That would be the biggest box office clash I can think of in recent history. No way that they're letting this happen.

[fryoj]

Sooo, If there are no delays and no one flinches, that puts Star Wars a week before Avatar. How badly do they hurt each other? 

 

and yes I expect Avatar to get delayed, I'm just saying if both were to release on schedule. 

[terrestrial]

1 minute ago, e1828 said:

Avatar 2 still slated for December 25, 2017, December 2017 is going to be... HUGE.

 

1 minute ago, Daxtreme said:

So will Avatar 2 keep the same release date? It's set to release 1 week after Star Wars Episode 8.

That would be the biggest box office clash I can think of in recent history. No way that they're letting this happen.

 

If they do that I'll take a few weeks a time-out, I really have no interest to shovel through probably 10:1 fan vs fan : 1 post of BO info.

And when they do that I guess all other movies beside absolute obvious Oscar bait should not even consider to start around that time. Oh, maybe a X-Mas movie...

 

Gitesh Pandya ‏@giteshpandya

Old #StarWars #Episode8 date 5/26/17 now taken by #Pirates5. That pic's old date 7/7/17 taken by next #SpiderMan film.

[CJohn]

4 minutes ago, e1828 said:

 

Avatar 2 still slated for December 25, 2017, December 2017 is going to be... HUGE.

 

3 minutes ago, Daxtreme said:

So will Avatar 2 keep the same release date? It's set to release 1 week after Star Wars Episode 8.

 

That would be the biggest box office clash I can think of in recent history. No way that they're letting this happen.

Guys, Avatar 2 doesn't have a release date on the schedule...

[philippe08]

Where is the numbers of Tuesday for Star Wars

Edited January 20, 2016 by philippe08

[terrestrial]

BoxOffice ‏@BoxOffice 

STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII Moved Back to December 15, 2017 http://fb.me/Eqta0DOW

THR Box Office ‏@THRBoxOffice 

'Star Wars: Episode VIII' Gets New Release http://thr.cm/r5eh3w 

 

[terrestrial]

4 minutes ago, philippe08 said:

Where is the numbers of Tuesday for Star Wars

still only the estimate from a few hours ago = $2.37M

 

I guess the websites (and maybe Disney too) are a bit too busy updating their release calendars and so on. Lots of short reactions in the net....

[philippe08]

Just now, terrestrial said:

still only the estimate from a few hours ago = $2.37M

 

I guess the websites (and maybe Disney too) are a bit too busy updating their release calendars and so on. Lots of short reactions in the net....

Ok, thank you.

[junkshop36]

Avatar isn't "officially" on the schedule for Dec 2017. That's why Disney had no problem making this move. 

 

Studios have are a very good idea of what's going with each other's movies and when they might actually be coming out. What this move tells me is that Disney knows that Avatar isn't making that Dec '17 date. 

[terrestrial]

7 minutes ago, CJohn said:

Guys, Avatar 2 doesn't have a release date on the schedule...

I know it's not confirmed as usual, but as it is listed as such at IMDb it is a bit understandable to start to think about the possible implications, no?

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1630029/?ref_=nv_sr_2

Avatar 2 (2017)

Action, Adventure, Fantasy  |  25 December 2017 (USA)

 

 

 

BoxOffice ‏@BoxOffice 11s12 seconds ago

STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS took in $2.38M on Tuesday and has grossed $861.33M to date domestically. #TheForceAwakens

[Daxtreme]

Star Wars: The Force Awakens (PG-13)

 

Jan 19, 2016

$2,380,910

[terrestrial]

Scott Mendelson ‏@ScottMendelson

Moving #EPISODEVIII to December is 100% the right call. Disney should just cement the Episodes into bi-annual Christmas events, period.

[baumer]

Avatar will not be released at Christmas of 2017. And as far as theater is preferring a leggy run, Sure they will get more of the box office percentage when a film legs it out. However when you get a massive assault on the theaters the way Star Wars gave us a Christmas time theaters are laughing. The amount of money they'll be making from the concessions will more than make up for whatever lack of money they were ostensibly not receive because a movie leaves the theater after 10 weeks instead of 18.

[terrestrial]

Star Wars 7

$2,380,910

-64%

3,822

-312

$623

$861,334,016

 

Hateful 8

$452,359

-40%

2,385

-553

$190

$48,929,429

Carol

$175,848

-41%

790

265

$223

$9,630,194

Anomalisa

$31,107

-53%

37

20

$841

$977,563

Macbeth

$4,560

-42%

19

-3

$240

$1,039,177

The 33

$1,312

-65%

34

-48

$39

$12,225,207

Burnt

$114

-12%

4

1

$29

$13,601,676

 

[Daxtreme]

4 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

Disney should just cement the Episodes into bi-annual Christmas events, period.

 

I don't think he understands what bi-annual means.

 

bi·an·nu·al

ˌbīˈany(əw)əl/

adjective

adjective: bi-annual

1. occurring twice a year.

 

Twice a year, on Christmas? Doesn't make any sense.

[terrestrial]

Tuesday, January 19, 2016

TD YD Title (Click to View) Studio Daily Gross % +/- YD / LW Theaters / Avg Gross To-Date Day 1 3 The Revenant Fox $3,139,651 -45% -37% 3,559 $882 $98,842,639 26 2 1 Star Wars 7 BV $2,380,910 -64% -38% 3,822 $623 $861,334,016 33 3 2 Ride Along 2 Uni. $2,278,050 -61% - 3,175 $717 $43,284,755 5 4 4 13 Hours... Benghazi Par. $1,837,008 -39% - 2,389 $769 $21,061,416 5 5 6 Daddy's Home Par. $702,901 -70% -38% 3,322 $212 $132,561,136 26 6 8 The Big Short Par. $573,329 -50% -22% 1,765 $325 $52,333,752 40 7 11 The Hateful Eight Wein. $452,359 -41% -43% 2,385 $190 $48,929,429 26 8 10 Sisters Uni. $451,565 -43% -40% 2,313 $195 $83,367,005 33 9 9 The Forest Focus $418,195 -58% -49% 2,509 $167 $22,732,378 12 10 5 Norm of the North LGF $384,356 -85% - 2,411 $159 $9,760,178 5 11 12 Joy Fox $352,242 -44% -45% 1,796 $196 $52,548,766 26 12 - Brooklyn FoxS $273,619 -29% +94% 687 $398 $25,403,230 77 - - Spotlight ORF $217,236 -49% +110% 985 $221 $31,262,564 75 - - Carol Wein. $175,848 -42% -2% 790 $223 $9,630,194 61 - 7 Alvin .... Road Chip Fox $168,660 -88% -40% 2,221 $76 $81,218,007 33 - - Concussion (2015) Sony $125,262 -51% -64% 1,041 $120 $33,372,297 26 - - The Danish Girl Focus $98,833 -40% -13% 479 $206 $9,020,939 54 - - Creed WB $95,205 -67% -40% 878 $108 $107,659,860 56

[EmpireCity]

1 hour ago, Intergalactic Ping Pong said:

 

Box office numbers are interesting to track over their respective runs. But for the studios/distributors, they profit far more off a movie that makes its money upfront. Because they get a much larger share of the profits for the first couple weeks. 

 

   "The studios (for these bigger films, we'll now assume the studios are the distributors) take a higher percentage of the box office gross in the first and second week.  It fluctuates, but we'll generalize and say that they take 80% of the box office take with theaters taking just 20%.  Once the third week roles around, the studios take less.  In this case we'll say 60%.  Theaters take 40%.  With each week after that the theater take raises while the studio take decreases, until a certain agreed point." - Ken Miyamoto, Produced screenwriter, former Sony Pictures script reader/story analyst

 

So for Star Wars: TFA, the studios/distrib could have made $521.5 million off of its $652 million gross through its first two weeks. For its third week, the studios could have made about $71 million from its $118.4 million earnings. The studio/distrib have already earned $591.5 million under these conditions.

 

Now let's compare that with a slow burn movie such as Avatar.  Avatar made $283.6 million in its first two weeks. The studio/distrib could have earned around $226.9 million from that. And if we take the rest of its earnings and give it the 60/40 split for all of it (which is giving it a more than fair shake according to the info above), the studio/distrib would earn $286.1 million off of the remaining $476.9 million. 

So, in total, the studio/distrib for Avatar could have earned $513 million from it's entire run ($760 mill).

 

Given the same factors, Star Wars could have earned Disney/distribs $591.5 million off of its first $770 million made in theaters. And it will make the studio/distrib even more (albeit at a much lower percentage of return) off of the remainder of its run. Let's say it hits $920 million. If we say the studio and theaters split this remainder 50/50, then that would be an additional $75 million to the studio/distrib. 

 

So while for some of us, these continuing numbers are interesting, for the studio/distrib they are much happier when their movies open huge and bring in alot of money in their first few weeks, because more of that money goes to them. 

 

P.S. Based on a number of other articles I read, the split gets much worse than the 60/40 I allotted to Avatar. In some cases by the 5th weekend a movie will be 25/75, with the 75 going to the theaters and it will remain that way or go even lower to 20/80. 

 

TL;DR Studios make more money off of movies that open big vs movies that earn their grosses slowly.

 

This info is very outdated.  Almost every studio has a flat licensing percentage over the entire movie run that will slightly change.  The days of 80% on opening weekend and 25% on Week 10 are long gone.  

[terrestrial]

1 minute ago, Daxtreme said:

I don't think he understands what bi-annual means.

I think he means every 2 years - he isn't a fan of the every year one I think (not sure)

[A District 3 Engineer]

3 minutes ago, Daxtreme said:

 

I don't think he understands what bi-annual means.

 

bi·an·nu·al

ˌbīˈany(əw)əl/

adjective

adjective: bi-annual

1. occurring twice a year.

 

Twice a year, on Christmas? Doesn't make any sense.

 

A period of two years is a biennium