Jurassic World: Dominion | June 10 2022 | 6th Most Profitable Movie of 2023

[Brainbug]

1 minute ago, Lucas said:

It's interesting that way because you'll see a lot of 85-90% movies be in the 60s on MetaCritic, but the lower the RT percentage gets, eventually the MC score will overtake it. MC may be 1-100 but it's unbelievably rare for a film to get even below 30 so the spectrum isn't as varied. We've got Morbius at 35.

 

How does MetaCritic determine the number for a review, for example if a positive review is a 65 or an 80? With RT, the critic as far as i know just has to say if the review should count as fresh or rotten. Does it work the same way on MetaCritic with the critic giving the number?

[Rebeccas]

2 minutes ago, Brainbug the Dinosaur said:

 

How does MetaCritic determine the number for a review, for example if a positive review is a 65 or an 80? With RT, the critic as far as i know just has to say if the review should count as fresh or rotten. Does it work the same way on MetaCritic with the critic giving the number?

The ones that give a score are based on that obviously and if there's no score they just judge it based on how positive or negative it sounds, which is why they're often slower at adding reviews.  We do get some mismatches but they generally don't affect the overall score once all the reviews are counted. 

[Lucas]

Just now, Brainbug the Dinosaur said:

 

How does MetaCritic determine the number for a review, for example if a positive review is a 65 or an 80? With RT, the critic as far as i know just has to say if the review should count as fresh or rotten. Does it work the same way on MetaCritic with the critic giving the number?

MetaCritic is more bizarre. From what I know, if there isn't a rating in the review, they'll essentially just guess based on what the critic says. Sometimes that can lead to scores that are wildly off. 

[Rebeccas]

Usually the reviews that get counted as 100 are just straight up perfect scores given by the critic (5/5 or 4/4, etc). Anything that's not scored but reads very positive with maybe an extremely minor reservation usually gets counted as 90 and so on. 

[Napoleon]

I think Metacritic is the equivalent of the Rotten Tomatoes Top Critics average rating. Metacritic seems to be restricted to reviews from respected publications. It's not really comparable to the RT score.

[JustLurking]

I mean, it's not that weird. Even if there is a general agreement that a movie is bad it will rarely be so bad it's getting 1s and 2s left and right to get that low an average.

[M37]

15 minutes ago, Lucas said:

It's interesting that way because you'll see a lot of 85-90% movies be in the 60s on MetaCritic, but the lower the RT percentage gets, eventually the MC score will overtake it. MC may be 1-100 but it's unbelievably rare for a film to get even below 30 so the spectrum isn't as wide. We've got Morbius at 35.

Because RT is essentially a pass/fail grade, while MC is an actual scored system. So a lot of movies can "pass" and still be 6-8/10 range, or "fail", be rotten, but still be in the 4-6/10 range

 

It takes a lot of effort - good or bad - for something to get really high or low on MC (which is why I far prefer their aggregating system)

[Lucas]

Watching Fallen Kingdom at the moment to finish off my rewatch of the series. It's hilarious how much better Bayona is than Trevorrow, if only his skills were accompanied by a script that wasn't completely fucked.

Edited June 8, 2022 by Lucas

[Brainbug]

Btw the number that Dominion must never NEVER fail to reach in my mind is $293,514,708.

 

Why? Because that is JP3 adjusted

 

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[efialtes76]

Bayona is a great Director.

 

[Lucas]

1 minute ago, M37 said:

Because RT is essentially a pass/fail grade, while MC is an actual scored system. So a lot of movies can "pass" and still be 6-8/10 range, or "fail", be rotten, but still be in the 4-6/10 range

 

It takes a lot of effort - good or bad - for something to get really high or low on MC (which is why I far prefer their aggregating system)

Oh you don't need to explain, I know how they work. It doesn't change the fact that it's interesting how well they correlate if you just adjust the range. Even just taking RT's average rating for top critics it often ends up the same, MetaCritic's aggregate will often be lower for the well received films but will eventually overtake the lower the average score gets.

[Lucas]

Only thing I'll say in Trevorrow's favor is I miss the lovely 35mm in Fallen Kingdom. At least it's back for Dominion to compensate for everything else.

[Brainbug]

Just now, Lucas said:

Only thing I'll say in Trevorrow's favor is I miss the lovely 35mm in Fallen Kingdom. At least it's back for Dominion to compensate for everything else.

 

To please you in that regard maybe a tiny bit more, in my opinion Dominion looks better than the first JW. Cinematography is ofc nowhere near as good as Fallen Kingdom, but the overall presentation of the film is very nice. The only technical aspect of the film i had problems with is the Editing.

[aabattery]

pretty close to waiting for vod on this

[Lucas]

11 minutes ago, Brainbug the Dinosaur said:

 

To please you in that regard maybe a tiny bit more, in my opinion Dominion looks better than the first JW. Cinematography is ofc nowhere near as good as Fallen Kingdom, but the overall presentation of the film is very nice. The only technical aspect of the film i had problems with is the Editing.

I've heard the editing being a problem a few times and it's made me curious why. Is it a case of just general messy editing in a lot of individual scenes or does it feel like pieces are missing from the movie?

[Mulder]

1 minute ago, Lucas said:

I've heard the editing being a problem a few times and it's made me curious why. Is it a case of just general messy editing in a lot of individual scenes or does it feel like pieces are missing from the movie?

Scenes feel both too long and too short. It's bizarre. The best comparison I can think of is Rise of Skywalker honestly.

[Brainbug]

2 minutes ago, Lucas said:

I've heard the editing being a problem a few times and it's made me curious why. Is it a case of just general messy editing in a lot of individual scenes or does it feel like pieces are missing from the movie?

 

Bit of both. I felt like the first act missed a scene or two and some scenes in the beginning ... well, they cut off a bit fast lol. But my main gripe with the editing was in the 2nd act with some action scenes. It not only looks like a Bourne movie there, it also has the editing of a Bourne movie in certain moments and i didnt really like that too much. Nothing that could ruin the movie for me, but yeah, i wished it had better editing in those scenes.

[Lucas]

2 minutes ago, Mulder said:

Scenes feel both too long and too short. It's bizarre. The best comparison I can think of is Rise of Skywalker honestly.

Oh dear, I do wonder if there's anything more to that recent Trevorrow tweet about "making movies is about compromise and hard choices". 

[Brainbug]

Just now, Lucas said:

Oh dear, I do wonder if there's anything more to that recent Trevorrow tweet about "making movies is about compromise and hard choices". 

 

I for my part woundt be surprised to learn that somewhere out there is a 2 hour 50 minute cut of Dominion.

[Mulder]

Just now, Lucas said:

Oh dear, I do wonder if there's anything more to that recent Trevorrow tweet about "making movies is about compromise and hard choices". 

I think there is but at the same time the movie's already the longest of the films, I think directors now need to learn how to streamline scripts and stories again. Dominion has way too much stuff in it.