AniNate Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) Of course Disney can afford the luxury of owning two different animation studios. But wouldn't it make more sense to employ them to go for more different aims? Like one going for younger the other for older audiences. Or one going for the domestic taste while the other tries more to satisfy the tastes abroad. Does not seem to happen.They're both pretty successful at doing what they do, so there's not much incentive to gear one of them towards an adult audience (who aren't as much of a guarantee, to say the least) Edited November 14, 2012 by tribefan695 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 They're both pretty successful at doing what they do, so there's not much incentive to gear one of them towards an adult audience (who aren't as much of a guarantee, to say the least)Maybe I am alone with my wish for more adult animated movies (ala AVATAR)Fox and Dreamworks together can fight the emperium with a diversified strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 You're not alone in wishing for it, but realistically it's probably going to have to be a grassroots venture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 You're not alone in wishing for it, but realistically it's probably going to have to be a grassroots venture... and in 7 years Disney will buy this grassroots venture for $4b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 And now Pixar is getting further and further away from its creative side and starting to making sequels after sequels. I guess arrogance really had an impact on those guys.Funny you say that right after I post that blurb about how their upcoming slate looks much less "Disney" than Brave. Yeah, they are making sequels now, but it's not the only thing they're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoot Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Maybe I am alone with my wish for more adult animated movies (ala AVATAR)Fox and Dreamworks together can fight the emperium with a diversified strategy.You are not alone.Though I think this will not happen until animation production costs come down. It's hard for studios to want to take a risk if budgets are at a minimum going to be $80m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonwo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 The budgets for animation is really high especially at Pixar where it can almost $200m, I know Pixar develop new techniques for each new film but I wonder if we may see a time where Disney will try and cut costs with CG Animation especially as films like Ice Age and The Lorax are just as successful and are made for under $100m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Price is not going down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoot Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Price is not going down.It has to or else they will not survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Disney backs them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK007 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Maybe I am alone with my wish for more adult animated movies (ala AVATAR)Fox and Dreamworks together can fight the emperium with a diversified strategy.Avatar? One, it's not really the animation we're talking about, and two, based off Ferngully and Pocahontas doesn't give you much room for adult animated movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I think Pixar and in-house Disney are basically interchangeable at this point in a creative sense. I'm not just talking about the Brave/Wreck-It Ralph coincidence but their upcoming slate as well. Disney is taking risks but they still have Frozen coming out next year. Pixar has some exciting projects coming up but also more sequels. I think this is a good thing but it's definitely Pixar's fall from omnipotence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Avatar? One, it's not really the animation we're talking about, and two, based off Ferngully and Pocahontas doesn't give you much room for adult animated movies.most of the scenens in AVATAR are anmationI am thinking of the John Carter of Mars series produced for about $75m a piece as animated movies. They could easily make $50m DOM and $150m OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 The animation age ghetto seems to be much more pronounced overseas than it is in the US (save Japan). I kinda doubt an animated PG-13 JCoM would have the same DOM:OS ratio that the live action one did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 most of the scenens in AVATAR are anmationSin City is closer to an animated film than Avatar in that sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vc2002 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) IMO the amount of shots rendered in CGI is no longer the only determining factor to decide whether it's an animation film or not. CGI is super advanced and now it can simulate most of the things in almost 100% photo-realistic. The bounds between CGI and live action is becoming more and more unclear. We must also see how CGI is being used before we decide to call an animation film. From that perpective, Avatar is no way an animation film. Edited November 16, 2012 by vc2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem2x3 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) I think Pixar and in-house Disney are basically interchangeable at this point in a creative sense. I'm not just talking about the Brave/Wreck-It Ralph coincidence but their upcoming slate as well. Disney is taking risks but they still have Frozen coming out next year. Pixar has some exciting projects coming up but also more sequels. I think this is a good thing but it's definitely Pixar's fall from omnipotence. I just want to point out (in light of your last sentence) that Pixar's Brave is the highest grossing animated movie of the year (2012). So was Cars 2 last year (2011). So was Toy Story 3 the year before (2010). So was Up the year before(2009). So was Wall-E the year before that(2008). The last time Pixar wasn't the top grossing animated movie was Rat. SOME SLUMP! Edited November 22, 2012 by Misadventures2x3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem2x3 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Also, I would add on the aspect of Disney/Pixar being a bit blurred together: this cross-over is (in my opinion) much more heavily seen in the quality of Disney Animation movies getting talent/direction/influence from Pixar much more than the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickvD Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 It is pretty amazing that Pixar continues to deliver the #1 animated film each year. And Brave sits comfortably above the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I just want to point out (in light of your last sentence) that Pixar's Brave is the highest grossing animated movie of the year (2012). So was Cars 2 last year (2011). So was Toy Story 3 the year before (2010). So was Up the year before(2009). So was Wall-E the year before that(2008). The last time Pixar wasn't the top grossing animated movie was Rat. SOME SLUMP! I just want to point out (in light of your last sentence) that Pixar's Brave is the highest grossing animated movie of the year (2012). So was Cars 2 last year (2011). So was Toy Story 3 the year before (2010). So was Up the year before(2009). So was Wall-E the year before that(2008). The last time Pixar wasn't the top grossing animated movie was Rat. SOME SLUMP! and Ratatouille has the highest OS rate (66.9%) of all Pixar movies you can't please all audiences at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
