Joker: Folie a Deux | October 4, 2024 | Lady Gaga is Harley Quinn in this 200M+ musical sequel

[wattage]

13 hours ago, Nero said:

I still don't understand who in their right mind green lit that cats movie and thought this might be next big thing or what not. 

People who saw the Broadway show was one of the longest running and most successful of all time and then they hired the director of the wildly successful and acclaimed Les Mis movie to direct. An extremely easy slam dunk on paper and most people not into musical theater don't pick up on Hoppers specific failings that were an easy red flag for something like Cats.

 

Even something like that movie being made makes more sense than whatever was happening with this movie. 

[dudalb]

2 hours ago, wattage said:

People who saw the Broadway show was one of the longest running and most successful of all time and then they hired the director of the wildly successful and acclaimed Les Mis movie to direct. An extremely easy slam dunk on paper and most people not into musical theater don't pick up on Hoppers specific failings that were an easy red flag for something like Cats.

 

Even something like that movie being made makes more sense than whatever was happening with this movie. 

Main problem with the movie of Cats was the make up; You can get away  with  humans made up as Cats on the stage, where everything is in "long shots" and you don't have to worry about it looks close up. Amazed they did not get this.

 

[dudalb]

15 hours ago, XenoMorph said:

There are executives and producers that okayed this. Think about that for a second. 

Oh, I am sure Warners SHareholders are doing just that...

[wattage]

Just now, dudalb said:

Main problem with the movie of Cats was the make up; You can get away  with  humans made up as Cats on the stage, where everything is in "long shots" and you don't have to worry about it looks close up. Amazed they did not get this.

 

A musical movie that's just people made up as cats could've worked, it just can't be identical designs or makeup to the musical because that makeup is for the stage and meant to be seen at a distance and is way too much up close. Alien-like designs but still approachable. And the movie would have to be shorter and not too self serious because the musical barely has a plot. Impossible task for Hopper on both counts as his approach is to "ground" musicals as much as possible. Which is why he tried to CGI human beings into being hyper realistic cats.

 

Basically it would have to be very thoughtful and take into care how to transition it into a screen, with a lot of pre-production going into making sure that can work before greenlighting at all. But like you said, they didn't get that the stage musical would need a lot of extra work in order to translate and just saw a very easy money formula on paper. Probably 0 people involved had even seen a showing of it. 

 

Or just go animated lol. 

[dudalb]

2 hours ago, thajdikt said:

Nonsense 

"Joker" as a movie did not do anything that had done been done years before in movies like 'Taxi Driver" and "King of Comedy",Phoenix's perfromance is the strong point of the movie.

 

[Firepower]

6 minutes ago, dudalb said:

"Joker" as a movie did not do anything that had done been done years before in movies like 'Taxi Driver" and "King of Comedy",Phoenix's perfromance is the strong point of the movie.

No movie has done anything that wasn't done years before, it's a non-criticism. Joker had novelty factor in a comic book movie genre, that's more than enough.

[eddyxx]

What the fuck is that crazy ass eye Todd Philips does at the beginning of this video? Lol
 

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/s/646U6IrEXO

[HummingLemon496]

This movie's DOM box office is so bad it's at the point where it's flat out hard to comprehend. A $50M/$125M type run would've felt worse just because it would've been more believable. 

[MightyDargon]

I mean, it's believable in the sense that Chixulub is believable.

[Ithil]

On 10/9/2024 at 10:16 PM, dudalb said:

Main problem with the movie of Cats was the make up; You can get away  with  humans made up as Cats on the stage, where everything is in "long shots" and you don't have to worry about it looks close up. Amazed they did not get this.

 

At risk of sounding dismissive, Cats is also kind of a Broadway show for tourists, that is, people who don't really go to Broadway shows. It's colorful, has catchy songs, and absolutely no plot. It's just stage spectacle. If you're a musical theater fan, it's probably a little lightweight for you. 

 

This does not translate well into a feature film. The 2019 film had to make up extra scenes and elements to have some semblance of a narrative, and even then it was very barebones. Add that to the horrible art design and undercooked effects and you got a disaster.

 

The Amblin Entertainment animated project in development in the early 90s with Spielberg producing that ultimately didn't come to fruition would have had a much better chance; the animation means you can sidestep the problem of the cats looking weird by just animating anthropomorphic cartoon cats, and the scant narrative would be more accepted by audiences for a 90 minute animated film.

Alas.

[HummingLemon496]

On 9/4/2024 at 4:43 PM, CJohn said:

80/190

Pretty close prediction for DOM/WW

[lookingformovies255]

So, will this still likely end up as the biggest box office bomb of all time? It seems like it's not making $200M WW, and it would be on track to lose $250-300M.     

[Belakor]

58 minutes ago, lookingformovies255 said:

So, will this still likely end up as the biggest box office bomb of all time? It seems like it's not making $200M WW, and it would be on track to lose $250-300M.     

Nah that title is disputed by two Disney movies (John Carter & The Marvels)

[lorddemaxus]

1 hour ago, lookingformovies255 said:

So, will this still likely end up as the biggest box office bomb of all time? It seems like it's not making $200M WW, and it would be on track to lose $250-300M.     

Might not even be the biggest bomb of the year tbh. Borderlands might edge it out

[lookingformovies255]

1 hour ago, Belakor said:

Nah that title is disputed by two Disney movies (John Carter & The Marvels)

According to this list, the Marvels lost $237 million. Forbes reported that the breakeven for Joker 2 is about $500M (Variety claims that it's about $450M). Unless it manages to secure a gross of more $200M, it is highly likely that it will be the biggest box office bomb of all time.   

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs

 

 

Edited yesterday at 07:40 AM by lookingformovies255

[lorddemaxus]

18 minutes ago, lookingformovies255 said:

According to this list, the Marvels lost $237 million. Forbes reported that the breakeven for Joker 2 is about $500M (Variety claims that it's about $450M). Unless it manages to secure a gross of more $200M, it is highly likely that it will be the biggest box office bomb of all time.   

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs

 

 

That’s not how that works lol. You don’t just subtract 500 mil from 200 mil

[lookingformovies255]

52 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

That’s not how that works lol. You don’t just subtract 500 mil from 200 mil

Lol. Do you think that this movie is going to have a strong performance on streaming?  

[ListenHunnyUrOver]

1 hour ago, lookingformovies255 said:

According to this list, the Marvels lost $237 million. Forbes reported that the breakeven for Joker 2 is about $500M (Variety claims that it's about $450M). Unless it manages to secure a gross of more $200M, it is highly likely that it will be the biggest box office bomb of all time.   

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs

 

 

[Alexander]

MAX will pay WBD the same amount of money anyway but what the movie generates from other sources... That number had to drop now. It's one if the biggest bombs ever, "everyone" hates it, the brand has been damaged... Studios have to stop pretending these movies make the same from streaming, merch etc even when they totally bomb in theaters. But of course, WB can take money from one pocket and move it to another and make this look this or that.

[Firepower]

2 hours ago, lookingformovies255 said:

According to this list, the Marvels lost $237 million. Forbes reported that the breakeven for Joker 2 is about $500M (Variety claims that it's about $450M). Unless it manages to secure a gross of more $200M, it is highly likely that it will be the biggest box office bomb of all time.   

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs

 

 

That's gross overreaction. Borderlands real budget is in the north of 200 mln and it grossed 32 mln worldwide, so this movie is not even the biggest bomb of the year, let alone of all time.

Edited yesterday at 10:31 AM by Firepower