The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

[DInky]

Thunderbolts is obviously moving to 2025 so right now we have Thunderbolts, Blade and Fantastic Four scheduled for 2025. What I'm curious about are the 2026 movies. Right now the release schedule for 2026 looks like this:

 

13 February   - Unannounced movie
01 May          - Avengers The Kang Dynasty
24 July           - Unannounced movie
06 November - Unannounced movie

 

Some of these, whatever they are, could definitely get the axe.

 

[SpiderByte]

13 minutes ago, YM! said:

Shakman said that the cast is ready to go and will announce them after the strike, F4 has or at least is closer to a complete script - with Kunis being friends with Shakman knowing the cast and F4 has a higher ceiling Blade ever did.

He did not say that. That was a misquote from the article. There's rumors they have people in mind but nobody has accepted, unlike Blade

[AN9815]

8 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

Oh and Secret Wars S2 is a toast too.

To me this is the biggest disappointment in the MCU. You manage to get an amazing cast consisting of Samuel L. Jackson, Olivia Colman, Emilia Clarke and Ben Mendelsohn, together with a potentially amazing comic story line and you make the most generic, boring and mediocre show possible in a rushed 6 episodes with some of them being under 30 min total. Seriously?

[AN9815]

7 minutes ago, DInky said:

Thunderbolts is obviously moving to 2025 so right now we have Thunderbolts, Blade and Fantastic Four scheduled for 2025. What I'm curious about are the 2026 movies. Right now the release schedule for 2026 looks like this:

 

13 February   - Unannounced movie
01 May          - Avengers The Kang Dynasty
24 July           - Unannounced movie
06 November - Unannounced movie

 

Some of these, whatever they are, could definitely get the axe.

 

If Thunderbolts moves to 2025 then Deadpool 3 should take that Christmas date. 

 

As for the potential 2026 movies I bet they could be Shang Chi 2 and Doctor Strange 3, no idea about the third

[DInky]

4 minutes ago, AN9815 said:

If Thunderbolts moves to 2025 then Deadpool 3 should take that Christmas date. 

 

As for the potential 2026 movies I bet they could be Shang Chi 2 and Doctor Strange 3, no idea about the third

 

Armor Wars perhaps.

[SpiderByte]

13 minutes ago, DInky said:

Thunderbolts is obviously moving to 2025 so right now we have Thunderbolts, Blade and Fantastic Four scheduled for 2025. What I'm curious about are the 2026 movies. Right now the release schedule for 2026 looks like this:

 

13 February   - Unannounced movie
01 May          - Avengers The Kang Dynasty
24 July           - Unannounced movie
06 November - Unannounced movie

 

Some of these, whatever they are, could definitely get the axe.

 

One of them is Armor Wars but Marvel also loves placeholder dates specifically in case things get delayed.

[Willowra]

56 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

If The Marvels flop most logical chopping block will be Ms Marvel S2 (which shouldn't have been announced after S1's dismal performance) and scrapping plans to feature her in X Men which was a dumb idea to begin with since X Men are attraction on their own, they don't need "help" from outside to draw audience. Also, that mutant reference was super vague and made on a show nobody watched so it's as good as that it never happened. Likewise, if they plan Monica show or movie or related project (I think there was a talk about Maria show), that'll get flushed down the toilet too. These are the easiest and most logical discards.

 

Everything else is wait and see cause it doesn't have the direct impact but they have to make some kind of selection. Oh and Secret Wars S2 is a toast too.

 

 

Ms. Marvel S02 chances were already low after Ms. Marvel flopped, but they are doing the Young Avengers D+ series with Iman Vellani as lead, if you know those leaks. And they could also do a movie or a TV show with Blue Marvel and Monica, as producer Nate Moore had teased their romance. It seems like they used Captain Marvel/Brie Larson as a plot device to set up the future of Ms. Marvel and Monica in the MCU, and made her future uncertain in the MCU. They are calling her The Annihilator in The Marvels, so maybe they do a Disney+ series with her with Rocket and Groot.

Edited October 14, 2023 by Willowra

[DInky]

16 minutes ago, Willowra said:

Ms. Marvel S02 chances were already low after Ms. Marvel flopped, but they are doing the Young Avengers D+ series with Iman Vellani as lead, if you know those leaks. And they could also do a movie or a TV show with Blue Marvel and Monica, as producer Nate Moore had teased their romance. It seems like they used Captain Marvel/Brie Larson as a plot device to set up the future of Ms. Marvel and Monica in the MCU, and made her future uncertain in the MCU. They are calling her The Annihilator in The Marvels, so maybe they do a Disney+ series with her with Rocket and Groot.

 

This is pure speculation though. They've introduced most of the Young Avengers during the last three years but as far as we know, there's zero movement on a Young Avengers project.

[WittyUsername]

Is it finally fair at this point to agree that the Disney+ shows are largely to blame for the decline of the MCU’s popularity? 

[John Marston]

Why not make Secret Invasion the plot of the Captain Marvel sequel instead of making Secret Invasion a crappy web series and the Captain Marvel sequel a goofy buddy comedy? Guess that was too smart for executives

[fmpro]

54 minutes ago, AN9815 said:

To me this is the biggest disappointment in the MCU. You manage to get an amazing cast consisting of Samuel L. Jackson, Olivia Colman, Emilia Clarke and Ben Mendelsohn, together with a potentially amazing comic story line and you make the most generic, boring and mediocre show possible in a rushed 6 episodes with some of them being under 30 min total. Seriously?

+1

[Willowra]

9 minutes ago, DInky said:

 

This is pure speculation though. They've introduced most of the Young Avengers during the last three years but as far as we know, there's zero movement on a Young Avengers project.

PM me if you want some future leak/spoiler lol

[SpiderByte]

51 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

Is it finally fair at this point to agree that the Disney+ shows are largely to blame for the decline of the MCU’s popularity? 

It doesn't really matter now though. They can't put it back in the bottle, and they clearly don't plan to stop making shows.

[Zakiyyah6]

1 hour ago, WittyUsername said:

Is it finally fair at this point to agree that the Disney+ shows are largely to blame for the decline of the MCU’s popularity? 

I definitely think they deserve some blame. They oversaturated the market even more and because of the interconnectivity gimmick they make it seem like you have to do 6 hours of homework before watching one of the movies.

[Valonqar]

1 hour ago, WittyUsername said:

Is it finally fair at this point to agree that the Disney+ shows are largely to blame for the decline of the MCU’s popularity? 

 

Yes but MCU is in the natural success cycle. No one stays in peak phase forever. It peaked and it's in decline. It won't peak again. Decline doesn't mean death/finish and can last for years and even decades. It just means no more peak era domination and therefore they will have to adjust the way they do things. They cannot act like they are in Rise or Peak when they are not anymore and never will be. So depending on the quickness and efficiency of that adjustment, they will buy themselves more or less years. 

 

I mena, D+ shows didn't help, miltiverse being too geeky for GA and not connecting didn't help but they are all simptoms of the problem not the problem itself which is that the franchise peaked with Endgame and is on the way down. New generations will find their own Marvel which was that generation's Harry Potter which was that generations Star Wars, etc. 

Edited October 14, 2023 by Valonqar

[DInky]

42 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

 

Yes but MCU is in the natural success cycle. No one stays in peak phase forever. It peaked and it's in decline. It won't peak again. Decline doesn't mean death/finish and can last for years and even decades. It just means no more peak era domination and therefore they will have to adjust the way they do things. They cannot act like they are in Rise or Peak when they are not anymore and never will be. So depending on the quickness and efficiency of that adjustment, they will buy themselves more or less years.

 

Those are pretty bold statements.

[SpiderByte]

It's really hard to buy the "audiences hate the multiverse" thing when the biggest movies are No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness and the biggest Disney+ show is Loki. In terms of the multiverse stuff Quantumania is an exception.

Edited October 14, 2023 by SpiderByte

[John Marston]

8 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

It's really hard to buy the "audiences hate the multiverse" thing when the biggest movies are No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness and the biggest Disney+ show is Loki. In terms of the multiverse stuff Quantumania is an exception.

 

 

people love the multiverse… when it’s used as an plot device to get other versions of characters into the plot. So basically a reliance on older actors might be the thing that keeps the MCU going longer 

Edited October 14, 2023 by John Marston

[toutvabien]

This thread has straight up turned into speculation on just how much this bombing will change the MCU.

 

Watch this do polarizing okay numbers and Marvel just sticking to the changes they have already been teasing since the beginning of the year.

[Valonqar]

6 minutes ago, toutvabien said:

This thread has straight up turned into speculation on just how much this bombing will change the MCU.

 

Watch this do polarizing okay numbers and Marvel just sticking to the changes they have already been teasing since the beginning of the year.

 

Yes because everyone is bored. people speculate the most when there's nothing else to talk about. unexciting movie is coming out and people are speculating about exciting scenarios if unexciting movie bombs and creates some excitement cause that wasn't supposed to happen. Nothing to see. It's like awards season where everyone knows who the winner will be and starts to speculate about exciting upset scenarios that they know won't happen but anything better than monotony. 

 

53 minutes ago, DInky said:

 

Those are pretty bold statements.

 

Doesn't make them untrue. Endgame was the peak. Part of the audience was happy with the closure and doesn't need to see story going further. They are looking for something different. Many grew up with Marvel and now have grown out of it. Others are sticking around. It's a natural process. Once upon a time, it was unthinkable something would unseat Star Wars as the most obsessed-over franchise and yet here we are with Marvel. Then something will replace MCU not tomorrow or even next year but it will happen. Gen Z will find its own thing.