The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)

[Mulder]

3 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

So if he's wrong, clarify what it actually means then? Jeez people on here now.

[XXR & Friends]

4 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

 

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MTC2 is Cinemark? By what metric is Cinemark bigger than Regal?

 

[Menor the Destroyer]

4 minutes ago, ZurgXXR said:

 

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MTC2 is Cinemark? By what metric is Cinemark bigger than Regal?

 

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Yes, MTC2 is Cinemark. We have never had chain-wide tracking for Regal, so it gets relegated to MTC3. 

 

[XXR & Friends]

1 minute ago, Menor Reborn said:

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Yes, MTC2 is Cinemark. We have never had chain-wide tracking for Regal, so it gets relegated to MTC3. 

 

 

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Ahh ok that’s what I thought (as you can see on my initial comment I edited it about a second after posting it originally). I had it as Cinemark then second guessed myself because I know Regal is technically bigger.

 

[keysersoze123]

14 minutes ago, Mulder said:

So if he's wrong, clarify what it actually means then? Jeez people on here now.

Sorry. had to use the Gif for sure. Anyway @ZurgXXR has the right answer. This happened back in 2019. Those were the only 2 MTC we could crack. @Menor Reborn did try MTC3 and got ip blocked :-)

[Tinalera]

49 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

Sorry. had to use the Gif for sure. Anyway @ZurgXXR has the right answer. This happened back in 2019. Those were the only 2 MTC we could crack. @Menor Reborn did try MTC3 and got ip blocked 🙂

With the all the amount of sneakiness and subterfuge and collecting data here sometimes youd think that the movie counts were  some high security topics lol

[Porthos]

3 hours ago, Tinalera said:

I have still have some theatres that they have Thor4 presales, but don't have Lightyear sales up yet. Like weird

 

 

My thoughts on this is: Blame Top Gun.

 

JWD being huge (enough) was baked into the schedule, but the massive breakout for TGM?  Not nearly as much. So some theaters are probably facing a crunch on medium-to-larger screens and were waiting to see just how big JWD was gonna be and how well TGM was holding before really setting up Lightyear, especially the theaters with smaller number of screens.  Thor: Love and Thunder, by contrast, is far enough away that even though it has the second week of Minions 2 to contend with, it's easier to set aside screens.  But even there, L&T (thankfully for me at least) didn't get the initial set of screens that, say, MoM got.

 

I know locally LY had a very low (for nowadays at least) screen count and it was only yesterday that the expansions started to roll in.  Haven't had a chance to see just how much it is expanding today, but it's not a surprise to me to see theaters waiting until the last moment for Lightyear. Especially since how well it is gonna play at box office is still somewhat uncertain.

[keysersoze123]

10 minutes ago, Tinalera said:

With the all the amount of sneakiness and subterfuge and collecting data here sometimes youd think that the movie counts were  some high security topics lol

you want to do this in low profile way. Our data was quoted in tweets to MTC heads. That is not something we want. That is why its better to do it this way :-)

[XXR & Friends]

14 minutes ago, Tinalera said:

With the all the amount of sneakiness and subterfuge and collecting data here sometimes youd think that the movie counts were  some high security topics lol

 

2 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

you want to do this in low profile way. Our data was quoted in tweets to MTC heads. That is not something we want. That is why its better to do it this way 🙂

 

[keysersoze123]

2 hours ago, Inceptionzq said:

Thor Love and Thunder Denver Thursday Showings

AMC Westminster 24

Total

737

3809

19.35%

AMC Highlands Ranch 24

Total

668

4985

13.40%

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD PAST 8 HOURS	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
3215	124	37793	8.51%	15	233

 

AMCs sold	2394
Cinemarks sold	396
Regals sold	209
Harkins sold	216

 

0.631x Doctor Strange MoM 34 hours (22.72M)

1.18x Batman Day 2 (25.59M)

0.309x NWH Day 2 (15.47M)

Thank you for your detailed data. Is it possible for you to capture pace for respective movies at similar dates as well. Like Thor 4 sold 124 tickets. How much did DS2 did or Bats did. Then we know how the trend will be in next few days until we have next big catalysts like Social Media reactions next week. 

[YM!]

How is Lightyear looking previews wise.

[Tinalera]

30 minutes ago, Porthos said:

 

My thoughts on this is: Blame Top Gun.

 

JWD being huge (enough) was baked into the schedule, but the massive breakout for TGM?  Not nearly as much. So some theaters are probably facing a crunch on medium-to-larger screens and were waiting to see just how big JWD was gonna be and how well TGM was holding before really setting up Lightyear, especially the theaters with smaller number of screens.  Thor: Love and Thunder, by contrast, is far enough away that even though it has the second week of Minions 2 to contend with, it's easier to set aside screens.  But even there, L&T (thankfully for me at least) didn't get the initial set of screens that, say, MoM got.

 

I know locally LY had a very low (for nowadays at least) screen count and it was only yesterday that the expansions started to roll in.  Haven't had a chance to see just how much it is expanding today, but it's not a surprise to me to see theaters waiting until the last moment for Lightyear. Especially since how well it is gonna play at box office is still somewhat uncertain.

I can totally see the logic in that. TG2 really kind of bumped in there as a kind of "what if" type of situation. I think what surprised me was it was a couple of Toronto theatres who usually keep up with rest of TO theatres. SW theatres I def would understand, as they range from anywhere from 1-3 seat auditorium to VIP/Alamo type theatres to Megaplexes-so those were the ones I would expect to have late drops to their seat count-not so much Toronto based ones. 

 

Have to see what happens when the massive seat drops hit tomorrow for Lightyear-but Ive got this niggling feeling that this is going to possibly be a softer one for Disney esp if Families who are uncertain about it might just wait for D+

[Inceptionzq]

1 hour ago, keysersoze123 said:

Thank you for your detailed data. Is it possible for you to capture pace for respective movies at similar dates as well. Like Thor 4 sold 124 tickets. How much did DS2 did or Bats did. Then we know how the trend will be in next few days until we have next big catalysts like Social Media reactions next week. 

Thor 4 Denver			DS2 Denver			Batman Denver
+8.5 hrs (8.5 hrs)	+2543 (2543)		+4.5 hrs (4.5 hrs)	+2687 (2687)		+6.5 hrs (6.5 hrs)	+1726 (1726)
+16 hrs (24.5 hrs)	+548 (3091)		+7 hrs (11.5 hrs)	+1630 (4317)		+17.5 hrs (24 hrs)	+536 (2262)
+8 hrs (32.5 hrs)	+124 (3215)		+22.5 hrs (34 hrs)	+777 (5094)
+24 hrs (8.5 -> 32.5 hrs)	+672 (3215)
Thor 4 Megaplex			DS2 Megaplex			Batman Megaplex
+8.5 hrs (8.5 hrs)	+2043 (2043)		+4.5 hrs (4.5 hrs)	+3245 (3245)		+6.5 hrs (6.5 hrs)	+2196 (2196)
+16 hrs (24.5 hrs)	+577 (2620)		+7 hrs (11.5 hrs)	+1049 (4294)		+17.5 hrs (24 hrs)	+751 (2947)
+8 hrs (32.5 hrs)	+111 (2731)		+22.5 hrs (34 hrs)	+714 (5008)
+24 hrs (8.5 -> 32.5 hrs)	+688 (2731)
Thor 4 Drafthouse			DS2 Drafthouse			Batman Drafthouse
+8.5 hrs (8.5 hrs)	+7189 (7189)		+4.5 hrs (4.5 hrs)	+8745 (8745)		+6.5 hrs (6.5 hrs)	+4971 (4971)
+16 hrs (24.5 hrs)	+1057 (8246)		+7 hrs (11.5 hrs)	+2187 (10932)		+17.5 hrs (24 hrs)	+872 (5843)
+8 hrs (32.5 hrs)	+358 (8604)		+22.5 hrs (34 hrs)	+1217 (12149)
+24 hrs (8.5 -> 32.5 hrs)	+1415 (8604)

 

 

Note that Megaplex and Drafthouse are Previews only. Unfortunately I didn't count at the same time for most of the data so it's kinda scuffed.

[filmlover]

Probably won't surprise anyone but Lightyear is doing gangbusters at the AMC Disney Springs. Both the 6:00 early show tomorrow and the 4:00 in Dolby on Thursday are almost sold out and a numerous other shows are selling well too.

[interiorgatordecorator]

1 hour ago, filmlover said:

Probably won't surprise anyone but Lightyear is doing gangbusters at the AMC Disney Springs. Both the 6:00 early show tomorrow and the 4:00 in Dolby on Thursday are almost sold out and a numerous other shows are selling well too.

 

how did Encanto do?

[keysersoze123]

1 hour ago, Inceptionzq said:

Thor 4 Denver			DS2 Denver			Batman Denver
+8.5 hrs (8.5 hrs)	+2543 (2543)		+4.5 hrs (4.5 hrs)	+2687 (2687)		+6.5 hrs (6.5 hrs)	+1726 (1726)
+16 hrs (24.5 hrs)	+548 (3091)		+7 hrs (11.5 hrs)	+1630 (4317)		+17.5 hrs (24 hrs)	+536 (2262)
+8 hrs (32.5 hrs)	+124 (3215)		+22.5 hrs (34 hrs)	+777 (5094)
+24 hrs (8.5 -> 32.5 hrs)	+672 (3215)
Thor 4 Megaplex			DS2 Megaplex			Batman Megaplex
+8.5 hrs (8.5 hrs)	+2043 (2043)		+4.5 hrs (4.5 hrs)	+3245 (3245)		+6.5 hrs (6.5 hrs)	+2196 (2196)
+16 hrs (24.5 hrs)	+577 (2620)		+7 hrs (11.5 hrs)	+1049 (4294)		+17.5 hrs (24 hrs)	+751 (2947)
+8 hrs (32.5 hrs)	+111 (2731)		+22.5 hrs (34 hrs)	+714 (5008)
+24 hrs (8.5 -> 32.5 hrs)	+688 (2731)
Thor 4 Drafthouse			DS2 Drafthouse			Batman Drafthouse
+8.5 hrs (8.5 hrs)	+7189 (7189)		+4.5 hrs (4.5 hrs)	+8745 (8745)		+6.5 hrs (6.5 hrs)	+4971 (4971)
+16 hrs (24.5 hrs)	+1057 (8246)		+7 hrs (11.5 hrs)	+2187 (10932)		+17.5 hrs (24 hrs)	+872 (5843)
+8 hrs (32.5 hrs)	+358 (8604)		+22.5 hrs (34 hrs)	+1217 (12149)
+24 hrs (8.5 -> 32.5 hrs)	+1415 (8604)

 

 

Note that Megaplex and Drafthouse are Previews only. Unfortunately I didn't count at the same time for most of the data so it's kinda scuffed.

Thank you. it provides better perspective for sure. Hopefully going forward you will have 24 hour pace comps and then switch to T-x at some point(may be a week into its run). Let us see what DS2 comps  say. Can it maintain say 80% of DS2 page. 

[keysersoze123]

@katnisscinnaplex do you know how many early shows for lightyear and breakup by chain?

[ZackM]

On 6/13/2022 at 11:07 PM, ZackM said:

 

 

Lightyear Alpha Chain Early Access Screening: The Andy Experience: T-2 days
6/13/2022	Theaters	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Pct. Sold
Total	151	152	3,594	33,571	10.71%
ATP
$22.35

 

 

Lightyear Alpha Chain Premiere Night Seat Report: T-3 days
	Last Day	2 Days Ago
Showings Added	247	3,038
Seats Added	26,039	495,612
Seats Sold	5,856	26,720
6/13/2022	Theaters	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Pct. Sold
Total	421	3,285	32,576	521,651	6.24%
ATP
$16.79

 

 

Lightyear Alpha Chain Early Access Screening: The Andy Experience: T-1 days
6/14/2022	Theaters	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Pct. Sold
Total	151	152	4,516	33,571	13.45%
ATP
$22.21

 

 

 

Lightyear Alpha Chain Premiere Night Seat Report: T-2 days
	Last Day	2 Days Ago	3 Days Ago
Showings Added	546	247	3,038
Seats Added	71,904	26,039	495,612
Seats Sold	5,875	5,856	26,720
6/14/2022	Theaters	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Pct. Sold
Total	422	3,831	38,451	593,555	6.48%
ATP
$16.58

[filmlover]

28 minutes ago, interiorgatordecorator said:

 

how did Encanto do?

Don't know, wasn't exactly following it at the time. Obviously did very well there though (no better place to see an actual Disney movie than on Disney property). Guessing it didn't have nearly as many screens as Lightyear appears to be getting (8 screens in total for the weekend it appears).

[Eric is Quiet]

23 hours ago, Eric Lightyear said:

Lightyear Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-3 and Counting

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	111	650	20093	3.23%

 

Total Seats Sold Today: 142

 

Comp

3.631x of Jungle Cruise T-3 (9.8M)

3.846x of Encanto T-3 (5.77M)

0.466x of Sonic the Hedgehog 2 T-3 (2.91M)

Lightyear Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-2 and Counting

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	133	799	22440	3.56%

 

Total Seats Sold Today: 149

 

Comp

3.357x of Jungle Cruise T-2 (9.06M)

3.444x of Encanto T-2 (5.17M)

0.450x of Sonic the Hedgehog 2 T-2 (2.81M)