Aristis Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Feanor said: So is 6M admissions still in play for Frozen 2? I'd say it's still more probable to reach 6M than not. It should be at 4,7M next WE at least after 300k WE. Holidays after that will get it there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Feanor said: So is 6M admissions still in play for Frozen 2? It's tough to miss tbh. Spies in Disguise is not the kind of movie to do well in Germany and SW is a different audience. "Als Hitler das Rosa Kaninchen stahl" doesn't look to do great business either and Cats seems well, Cats... Looking at 2013 movies and looking at the 475k WE: If it follows: Frozen 1: 7m Catching Fire: 6,6m 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) Monday numbers: #1 Frozen 2 470k (-34%) 4,3M (biggest 4th WE of the year) #2 Jumanji 2 400k (Jumanji 1 220k i.P.) #3 Geheimnis 140k (-31%) 4,185M (biggest 7th WE of the year) #4 Last Christmas 72,5k (-17%) 675k #5 Rabe Socke 3 50k Edited December 16, 2019 by Aristis 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giesi Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I think Frozen 2 will keep the yearly crown, I don’t see TROS getting more than 6M admissions, sadly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKMLover Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Giesi said: I think Frozen 2 will keep the yearly crown, I don’t see TROS getting more than 6M admissions, sadly. Germany is big market for SW, TFA made $111M here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 41 minutes ago, PKMLover said: Germany is big market for SW, TFA made $111M here. TFA was on another level here, TLJ has around 5.9M admissions so slightly below where Frozen II will most likely end up, and inside Germany crown is determined by admissions, so we would say the order currently is: TLK Endgame Frozen II Geheimnis Joker. but outside of Germany the list would go as follows: Endgame TLK Geheimnis Joker Frozen II (with the bottom three being really close to each other) at the end of the year the first list should look as follows: Frozen II TLK TROS (fearing it will end below TLK) Endgame Geheimnis Joker and the second list could look like this: TROS Endgame Frozen II TLK Geheimnis Joker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Aristis said: Monday numbers: #1 Frozen 2 470k (-34%) 4,3M (biggest 4th WE of the year) #2 Jumanji 2 400k (Jumanji 1 220k i.P.) #3 Geheimnis 140k (-31%) 4,185M (biggest 7th WE of the year) #4 Last Christmas 72,5k (-17%) 675k #5 Rabe Socke 3 50k I think Jumanji II will end probably around the first (1.8-2.2M, first one had 2M) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 What are chances of Endgame remaining biggest in gross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jedi Jat said: What are chances of Endgame remaining biggest in gross. AEG is at €57,53M. F2 needs more than 6,85M admissions to reach that. So that shouldn't be the problem. But SW9 would have to be below 4,9M admissions to not get the yearly crown in gross. So AEG won't stay at the top. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 F1 vs F2: WE Frozen1 Frozen2 1st 572 654 1.430 1.635 2nd 577 1% 1.355 941 -34% 2.822 3rd 476 -18% 1.952 708 -25% 3.704 4th 433 -9% 2.499 468 -34% 4.307 5th 540 25% 3.242 6th 402 -26% 3.838 7th 158 -61% 4.091 8th 107 -32% 4.217 9th 81 -24% 4.311 10th 89 10% 4.412 4.767M 6.000M Spoiler Frozen1 Frozen2 WE Weekend Mid- week Week Weekend Mid- week Week 1st 572 654 124 696 1.430 1.635 246 1.676 2nd 577 1% 1.355 121 698 0% 941 -34% 2.822 174 1.115 -33% 3rd 476 -18% 1.952 114 590 -15% 708 -25% 3.704 135 843 -24% 4th 433 -9% 2.499 203 636 8% 468 -34% 4.307 5th 540 25% 3.242 194 734 15% 6th 402 -26% 3.838 95 497 -32% 7th 158 -61% 4.091 19 177 -64% 8th 107 -32% 4.217 13 120 -32% 9th 81 -24% 4.311 12 93 -23% 10th 89 10% 4.412 00000 0000 4.767M 00000 00000 0000 00000 0000 6.000M 00000 00000 0000 Minions vs F2: WE Minions Frozen2 1st 935 935 1.430 1.635 2nd 1.040 11% 2.394 941 -34% 2.822 3rd 760 -27% 3.598 708 -25% 3.704 4th 537 -29% 4.419 468 -34% 4.307 5th 366 -32% 5.147 6th 195 -47% 5.521 7th 242 24% 5.893 8th 111 -54% 6.160 9th 81 -27% 6.323 10th 125 54% 6.497 6.946M 6.000M 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) Germany’s Top20 last weekend: title admissions th. PTA total adm. total € drop week 1 Frozen 2 467.726 723 647 4.307.158 36.007.104 -34 4 2 Jumanji 2 383.487 600 639 401.439 4.047.691 - 1 3 Das perfekte Geheimnis 143.728 757 190 4.184.894 37.148.827 -29 7 4 Last Christmas 73.707 587 126 676.158 5.602.682 -15 5 5 Der kleine Rabe Socke 3 45.949 478 96 49.795 332.962 - 1 6 Hustlers 40.104 374 107 217.950 1.879.373 -35 3 7 Black Christmas 30.770 315 98 30.770 273.550 - 1 8 Joker 25.164 360 70 4.002.062 37.053.001 -38 10 9 Ford vs. Ferrari 15.950 285 56 342.436 3.282.238 -48 5 10 Mucize 2 15.362 71 216 45.972 411.115 -34 2 11 The Addams Family 13.831 382 36 544.860 3.935.710 -31 8 12 Zombieland 2 13.213 320 41 453.732 3.841.398 -49 6 13 A Rainy Day in New York 11.817 111 106 40.045 333.226 -28 2 14 Aman Reis Duymasin 11.058 47 235 11.058 103.719 - 1 15 Jak poslubic Milionera 10.935 84 130 10.935 125.960 - 1 16 Hors normes 10.821 112 97 40.077 310.713 -31 2 17 Motherless Brooklyn 10.643 83 128 20.678 150.268 - 1 18 La Belle Epoque 9.810 130 75 56.555 476.809 -22 3 19 La Befana Vien di Notte 8.117 294 28 56.214 337.729 -7 6 20 Parasite 7.473 157 48 361.230 3.143.107 -10 9 Among openers, Jumanji2 did about what was expected while most others stayed below expectations (poor PTA for Motherless Brooklyn despite good reviews). For holdovers, it was a good weekend – Frozen 2 still on ist way to >6mil, Das perfekte Geheimnis with another beautiful hold and Last Christmas is developing extraordinary legs. Joker crossed 4mil total, who would have thought that?! Next weekend: Oh my god, the latest Star Wars movie!!!! Well, not so omg any longer, there’s a strong possibility it will miss the 2019 crown, with in-house competition F2 aiming for 6,5mil admissions. While the opening will be massive, it’s also a fact that Episode 8 left some stale aftertaste for a sizeable part of the audience. Let’s wait and see, but at least a 1,5mil OW should be possible. Edited December 17, 2019 by IndustriousAngel 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) Star Wars - Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Spoiler CineStar Bremen Wednesday: 3D 14:00: 22 / 322 3D 16:00: 131 / 572 3D 17:00: 43 / 425 3D 18:00: 56 / 322 3D 20:00: 307 / 425 3D 20:30: 148 / 572 2D 15:00: 30 / 425 2D 19:00: 185 / 425 Total: 922 / 3488 -> 26.4% Thursday: 3D 14:00: 0 / 322 3D 16:00: 45 / 572 3D 17:00: 11 / 425 3D 18:00: 20 / 322 3D 20:00: 230 / 425 3D 20:30: 55 / 572 3D 21:30: 4 / 322 3D 22:30: 4 / 296 2D 15:00: 8 / 425 2D 19:00: 140 / 425 2D 22:50: 5 / 425 Total: 522 / 4531 -> 11.52% Friday: 3D OV 20:30: 68 / 279 3D 14:00: 1 / 322 3D 16:00: 69 / 572 3D 17:00: 3 / 425 3D 18:00: 16 / 322 3D 20:00: 267 / 425 3D 20:30: 69 / 572 3D 21:30: 8 / 322 3D 22:30: 8 / 296 2D 15:00: 11 / 425 2D 19:00: 176 / 425 2D 22:50: 5 / 425 Total: 701 / 4810 -> 14.57% Saturday: 3D 12:15: 44 / 572 3D 13:15: 4 / 425 3D 14:00: 6 / 322 3D 16:00: 131 / 572 3D 17:00: 10 / 425 3D 18:00: 18 / 322 3D 20:00: 228 / 425 3D 20:30: 49 / 572 3D 21:30: 5 / 322 3D 22:30: 3 / 296 2D 11:20: 2 / 425 2D 15:00: 28 / 425 2D 19:00: 195 / 425 2D 22:50: 4 / 425 Total: 727 / 5953 -> 12.21% Sunday: 3D OV 20:30: 22 / 279 3D 12:15: 34 / 572 3D 13:15: 3 / 425 3D 14:00: 16 / 322 3D 16:00: 119 / 572 3D 17:00: 7 / 425 3D 18:00: 9 / 322 3D 20:00: 154 / 425 3D 20:30: 29 / 572 3D 21:30: 5 / 322 3D 22:30: 1 / 296 2D 11:20: 2 / 425 2D 15:00: 94 / 425 2D 19:00: 108 / 425 2D 22:50: 3 / 425 Total: 606 / 6232 -> 9.72% TFSS: 2556 / 21526 WTFSS: 3479 / 25014 CinemaxX Bremen Wednesday: 3D 10:00: 58 / 232 3D 15:00: 19 / 297 3D 16:00: 139 / 342 3D 17:00: 71 / 186 3D 20:00: 252 / 342 3D 20:50: 67 / 186 3D 22:30: 17 / 297 OV 3D 19:30: 135 / 186 OV 3D 23:00: 45 / 186 2D 10:30: 14 / 186 2D 14:00: 12 / 186 2D 17:30: 94 / 186 2D 19:00: 208 / 297 2D 20:30: 92 / 163 2D 22:45: 20 / 145 OV 2D 19:30: 13 / 186 Total: 1243 / 3417 -> 36.38% Thursday: 3D 14:15: 0 / 145 3D 16:00: 90 / 342 3D 17:00: 4 / 186 3D 20:00: 193 / 342 3D 20:30: 6 / 186 3D 22:30: 2 / 297 OV 3D 19:30: 136 / 186 OV 3D 23:00: 2 / 186 2D 15:00: 4 / 186 2D 17:30: 16 / 186 2D 19:00: 209 / 297 2D 22:00: 0 / 145 OV 2D 21:00: 15 / 186 Total: 677 / 2870 -> 23.59% Friday: 3D 14:15: 4 / 145 3D 16:00: 117 / 342 3D 17:00: 15 / 186 3D 20:00: 224 / 342 3D 20:30: 26 / 186 3D 22:30: 2 / 297 OV 3D 19:30: 131 / 186 OV 3D 23:00: 0 / 186 2D 15:00: 6 / 186 2D 17:30: 15 / 186 2D 19:00: 196 / 297 2D 22:00: 18 / 145 OV 2D 21:00: 7 / 186 Total: 761 / 2870 -> 26.52% Saturday: 3D 11:30: 0 / 297 3D 14:30: 0 / 145 3D 16:00: 127 / 342 3D 17:00: 15 / 186 3D 20:00: 165 / 342 3D 20:50: 22 / 186 3D 22:30: 35 / 297 OV 3D 19:30: 90 / 186 OV 3D 23:00: 1 / 186 2D 12:30: 0 / 342 2D 15:00: 20 / 297 2D 17:30: 17 / 186 2D 19:00: 194 / 297 2D 22:45: 0 / 145 OV 2D 16:20: 3 / 178 OV 2D 19:30: 8 / 186 Total: 697 / 3798 -> 18.35% Sunday: 3D 11:30: 4 / 297 3D 14:30: 7 / 145 3D 16:00: 133 / 342 3D 17:00: 9 / 186 3D 20:00: 158 / 342 3D 20:50: 5 / 186 3D 22:30: 0 / 297 OV 3D 19:30: 104 / 186 OV 3D 23:00: 0 / 186 2D 12:30: 8 / 342 2D 15:00: 16 / 297 2D 17:30: 9 / 186 2D 19:00: 136 / 297 2D 20:30: 27 / 186 2D 22:45: 0 / 145 OV 2D 21:15: 7 / 186 Total: 623 / 3806 -> 16.37% TFSS: 2758 / 13344 WTFSS: 4001 / 16761 Cinestar Metropolis Frankfurt Wednesday: 3D OV 12:30: 72 / 642 3D OV 14:00: 77 / 273 3D OV 16:30: 189 / 642 3D OV 17:30: 86 / 273 3D OV 18:30: 139 / 283 3D OV 20:30: 512 / 642 3D OV 21:15: 178 / 273 3D OV 22:15: 104 / 283 3D 12:00: 14 / 624 3D 14:15: 44 / 351 3D 16:00: 100 / 624 3D 17:00: 46 / 195 3D 18:00: 161 / 351 3D 20:00: 463 / 624 3D 21:30: 145 / 351 3D 22:30: 62 / 344 2D 10:30: 36 / 344 2D 15:30: 55 / 344 2D 19:30: 209 / 344 2D 19:30: 29 / 182 2D OV 11:00: 60 / 202 2D OV 15:00: 59 / 202 2D OV 19:00: 163 / 202 2D OV 23:00: 34 / 195 Total: 3037 / 8790 -> 34.55% Thursday: 3D OV 14:00: 22 / 273 3D OV 16:30: 126 / 642 3D OV 17:30: 3 / 273 3D OV 18:30: 19 / 283 3D OV 20:30: 459 / 642 3D OV 21:15: 14 / 273 3D OV 22:15: 102 / 283 3D 14:15: 24 / 351 3D 16:00: 134 / 624 3D 17:00: 6 / 195 3D 17:45: 12 / 351 3D 20:00: 414 / 624 3D 21:30: 20 / 351 3D 22:30: 39 / 344 2D 15:00: 11 / 344 2D 19:00: 199 / 344 2D 23:00: 3 / 182 2D OV 15:30: 6 / 202 2D OV 19:30: 144 / 202 2D OV 23:15: 2 / 195 Total: 1759 / 6978 -> 25.21% Friday: 3D OV 14:00: 34 / 273 3D OV 16:30: 120 / 642 3D OV 17:30: 2 / 273 3D OV 18:30: 6 / 283 3D OV 20:30: 349 / 642 3D OV 21:15: 22 / 273 3D OV 22:15: 52 / 283 3D 14:15: 107 / 351 3D 16:00: 176 / 624 3D 17:00: 3 / 195 3D 17:45: 15 / 351 3D 20:00: 380 / 624 3D 21:30: 29 / 351 3D 22:30: 31 / 344 2D 15:00: 25 / 344 2D 19:00: 216 / 344 2D 23:00: 2 / 182 2D OV 15:30: 6 / 202 2D OV 19:30: 135 / 202 2D OV 23:15: 6 / 195 Total: 1716 / 6978 -> 24.595 Saturday: 3D OV 12:30: 0 / 642 3D OV 14:00: 75 / 273 3D OV 16:30: 180 / 642 3D OV 17:30: 0 / 273 3D OV 18:30: 18 / 283 3D OV 20:30: 223 / 642 3D OV 21:15: 9 / 273 3D OV 22:15: 20 / 283 3D 12:00: 7 / 624 3D 14:15: 49 / 351 3D 16:00: 202 / 624 3D 17:00: 4 / 195 3D 17:45: 9 / 351 3D 20:00: 285 / 624 3D 21:30: 7 / 351 3D 22:30: 25 / 344 2D 10:30: 2 / 344 2D 15:30: 11 / 344 2D 19:30: 139 / 344 2D 23:00: 0 / 182 2D OV 11:00: 10 / 202 2D OV 15:30: 18 / 202 2D OV 19:30: 84 / 202 2D OV 23:15: 4 / 195 Total: 1381 / 8790 -> 15.71% Sunday: 3D OV 12:30: 8 / 642 3D OV 14:00: 68 / 273 3D OV 16:30: 132 / 642 3D OV 17:30: 2 / 273 3D OV 18:30: 0 / 283 3D OV 20:30: 153 / 642 3D OV 21:15: 2 / 273 3D OV 22:15: 2 / 283 3D 12:00: 19 / 624 3D 14:15: 64 / 351 3D 16:00: 235 / 624 3D 17:00: 3 / 195 3D 17:45: 9 / 351 3D 20:00: 137 / 624 3D 21:30: 2 / 351 3D 22:30: 10 / 344 2D 10:30: 3 / 344 2D 15:30: 5 / 344 2D 19:30: 81 / 344 2D 23:00: 0 / 182 2D OV 11:00: 1 / 202 2D OV 15:30: 5 / 202 2D OV 19:30: 95 / 202 2D OV 23:15: 0 / 195 Total: 1036 / 8790 -> 11.79% TFSS: 5892 / 31536 WTFSS: 8965 / 40326 Total: (T-0) W: 1243 + 922 + 3073 = 5238 / 15695 Th: 677 + 522 + 1759 = 2958 / 14379 Fri: 761 + 701 + 1716 = 3178 / 14658 Sat: 697 + 727 + 1381 = 2805 / 18541 Sun: 623 + 606 + 1036 = 2265 / 18828 TFSS: 2758 + 2556 + 5892 = 11206 / 66406 -> 16.87% WTFSS: 4001 + 3478 + 8965 = 16444 / 82101 -> 20.03% In the following the italic ones are kinda useless (absolutely useless) 5-day comps (also taken on Tuesday evening): TLK: W: 2343 => 469k (only Wednesday) TFSS: 1842 => 5608k (TFSS) WTFSS: 4185 => 4445k (WTFSS) Adjusted (only CS Bremen): Endgame: W w. P.: 1150 => 370k* W: 585 => 728k TFSS: 1848 => 2312k WTFSS: 2998 => 2475k All the following comps where are final ones(so Wednesday evening – 24 hours later than EP IX numbers) Wend (wo Previews – only TFSS) Aladdin: 493 => 6560k John Wick 3: 967 => 3305k Godzilla: 328 => 4797k Rocketman: 175 => 7618k Dark Phoenix: 333 => 4174k MIBI: 221 => 5713k Five Feet Apart: 85 => 13932k Spider-Man FFH: 2058 => 2363k TLK: 2755 => 3749k H&S: 1058 => 5209k Hollywood: 1774 => 2773k TS 4: 388 => 6883k Adjusted comps – without CS Bremen: TFSS: 8650 WTFSS: 12966 Comps: It 2: 1880 => 2715k (TFSS) Joker: 4819 => 1510k (TFSS) Joker w. P: 7040 => 1732k (WTFSS) Puh, what can I say? It doesn’t have Preview screenings, Endgame had really big ones. Presales would be out of this world insane for every other movie, but for SW they are okay, I guess. Right now, I’d hope for a 5-day opening above Endgame, but thinking it will open below and and probably just around Frozen II. And thinking that the 4-day might be below both. So maybe something like this: OD: 375k TFSS: 1250k WTFSS: 1625k (obviously hoping for something like this): OD: 400k TFSS: 1750k WTFSS: 2150k Edited December 18, 2019 by Taruseth 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I heard that this SW could not reach 6 millions admissions in Germany , what are your expectations ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 12 hours ago, LPLC said: I heard that this SW could not reach 6 millions admissions in Germany , what are your expectations ? Opening day is looking very strong but presales for the rest of the weekend make me think <1,5mil OW; 6mil total would be above my expectations (5,5mil) - it's all depending on legs and that's hard to predict. Reviews are not favourable, I've skimmed 5 or 6 papers and not a single good one - most calling it uninspired, hollow or without a heart, derivative ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, IndustriousAngel said: Opening day is looking very strong but presales for the rest of the weekend make me think <1,5mil OW; 6mil total would be above my expectations (5,5mil) - it's all depending on legs and that's hard to predict. Reviews are not favourable, I've skimmed 5 or 6 papers and not a single good one - most calling it uninspired, hollow or without a heart, derivative ... Won't be doing a count this evening for the weekend presales cause I am seeing it at 8:30 pm - but I might take a quick look into the CS Bremen (but! this might lead to the movie looking more weekend heavy than it actually is - yesterday evening Saturday in % of Wednesday (todays) resales - CM Bremen 56.1%, CS Frankfurt 44.9% but CS Bremen 78.9%) So locally (Bremen) it seems to be spread out more. Quick note regarding the cinemas the CM Bremen is located directly beside the Main Trainstation. The CS Frankfurt is located directly north of the city center, but the CS Bremen is located at the very east side of the city on the same ground as a shopping centre (but in different buildings), this might have something to do with everything. And I think that especially for the leggy movies presales were sometimes focused even more on OD. SW has great presales for all days, so walkup factor probably changes a lot less compared to most other movies. Edited December 18, 2019 by Taruseth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 On 12/18/2019 at 5:00 AM, LPLC said: I heard that this SW could not reach 6 millions admissions in Germany , what are your expectations ? I see it having trouble even reaching 5m. OD is pretty underwhelming, 5D-Opening should come in under Frozen. That's a shocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menor the Destroyer Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Poseidon said: I see it having trouble even reaching 5m. OD is pretty underwhelming, 5D-Opening should come in under Frozen. That's a shocker. What is the OD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper Legion Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Menor said: What is the OD? Consulting the title, they are ..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 39 minutes ago, Menor said: What is the OD? About 300k according to Mark G. of Insidekino: http://forum.insidekino.de/viewtopic.php?f=11&p=71651#p71649 That's about 70% of TLJ. Of course keep in mind, that TLJ started on a regular thursday with midnights, while TROS opened on a full wednesday without midnights. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) I'm not yet sold on the idea of SW9 not reaching 5M, I mean if so AEG remaining at the top wouldn't be that far away 😬 On 12/16/2019 at 2:32 PM, Aristis said: AEG is at €57,53M. F2 needs more than 6,85M admissions to reach that. So that shouldn't be the problem. But SW9 would have to be below 4,9M admissions to not get the yearly crown in gross. So AEG won't stay at the top. But this looks extremely weak for a SW movie. I've counted some numbers for the first time and in only one cinema (so this could be just an anecdote) but it actually lost presales from yesterday to today... This movie will probably have to fight to become even 2nd of the year. Awful. But we don't have actuals yet for Germany so maybe we should wait... Edited December 19, 2019 by Aristis 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...