BO Germany/Austria: Dune first 2024 blockbuster (3mil admissions)

[el sid]

18 hours ago, cannastop said:

Why is it worrying for you that they don't use Synchronsprechern? Why can't a regular actor do a nice job?

 

It's hard for me to imagine, as there is no such thing as a designated dubber for English audiences.

And it's also not easy to explain what I mean ;). The regular actors have mostly(?) some experiences but are no professional dubber. They are probably not bad but I doubt that they are as good as the really fine normal dubber. I remember some films where the method to hire regular German actors/comedians/singers did not work. Sometimes the timing just didn't fit perfectly and we are used to hear perfectly fitting dubbes and as I said above often with very charismatic voices too.
But OTOH sometimes it works. For example in „How to Train Your Dragon“ the dubber were partly regular German actors who did not only a good job but also let the Vikings speak an East Frisian dialect and I liked it a lot. Ice Age is another example for a successful mix: Sid is spoken by somebody who is mostly known as a comedian (Otto Waalkes) but the rest of the crew are professional dubber (who are also actors).

So let's see. When this was discussed on German websites the reactions were very mixed: Some said give them a chance, some said this lessens their interest in the film. Especially many said they would have loved to hear the German voice of Bill Murray as Balu/Baloo.

 

By the way you made the 3000th post in that tread ;).

Edited March 21, 2016 by el sid

[cannastop]

9 minutes ago, el sid said:

And it's also not easy to explain what I mean ;). The regular actors have mostly(?) some experiences but are no professional dubber. They are probably not bad but I doubt that they are as good as the really fine normal dubber. I remember some films where the method to hire regular German actors/comedians/singers did not work. Sometimes the timing just didn't fit perfectly and we are used to hear perfectly fitting dubbes and as I said above often with very charismatic voices too.
But OTOH sometimes it works. For example in „How to Train Your Dragon“ the dubber were partly regular German actors who did not only a good job but also let the Vikings speak an East Frisian dialect and I liked it a lot. Ice Age is another example for a successful mix: Sid is spoken by somebody who is mostly known as a comedian (Otto Waalkes) but the rest of the crew are professional dubber (who are also actors).

So let's see. When this was discussed on German websites the reactions were very mixed: Some said give them a chance, some said this lessens their interest in the film. Especially many said they would have loved to hear the German voice of Bill Murray as Balu.

 

By the way you made the 3000th post in that tread ;).

Well, to me, dubbing is dubbing, and I generally prefer the original language over any dub.

 

But what were you saying about an East Frisian dialect?

 

Isn't Frisian a separate language, too?

[el sid]

53 minutes ago, cannastop said:

Well, to me, dubbing is dubbing, and I generally prefer the original language over any dub.

 

But what were you saying about an East Frisian dialect?

 

Isn't Frisian a separate language, too?

Well, there can be a big difference but I don't know how to explain that to somebody who doesn't need dubbing.

No, not the East Frisian dialect which is spoken in Northern Germany. Even if someone from Bavaria would almost think that it is a seperate language (and conversely) ;). I do not mean the original Frisian which is extremely rarely spoken in the Netherlands and which is maybe understandable by Germans who live in (Eastern) Friesland but not from all German speaking people. Boy, this is a more difficult question than I first thought...

 

Edit: I considered to write Low German/plattdeutsch instead of East Frisian but everyone in Germany knows what is meant. And I don't know how much blend exists between Low German and the original Frisian language.

Edited March 21, 2016 by el sid

[IndustriousAngel]

The whole dubbing theme is very complex and it's true the commercial success of a release can be seriously damaged by bad dubbing (and the other way round ... there are quite a few examples of creative dubbing that led to surprising successes) - the thing is, you never know in advance if it works. Also, some of the dubbing is based on current popularity of the speakers (as is the case for many animations in Hollywood) - which might lead to success but which also ties the movie's destiny to that of the talent involved, and ultimately leads to accelerated dating. I'm not a friend of this cast-a-celebrity fad

[IndustriousAngel]

Germany's Top20 last weekend:

	title	admissions	th.	PTA	total adm.	total €	drop	week
1	Zootopia	347.822	676	515	1.771.942	15.193.446	-32	3
2	Kung Fu Panda 3	171.125	691	248	205.875	1.669.207	-	1
3	Der geilste Tag	124.449	632	197	1.229.322	10.099.043	-33	4
4	Allegiant	111.656	494	226	125.413	1.067.693	-	1
5	Deadpool	71.062	472	151	2.506.716	21.286.295	-37	6
6	London Has Fallen	66.895	299	224	192.803	1.641.813	-27	2
7	Dirty Grandpa	54.269	395	137	1.119.533	9.140.794	-28	6
8	Das Tagebuch der Anne Frank	37.441	552	68	230.701	1.761.363	-22	3
9	Le Goût des merveilles	33.485	113	296	102.080	754681	-12	2
10	The Revenant	30.918	325	95	2.695.177	25.484.704	-36	11
11	Spotlight	29.981	223	134	239.477	2.009.162	-29	4
12	The Brothers Grimsby	23.589	390	60	97.975	810.119	-61	2
13	Bibi & Tina 3	23.348	475	49	1.800.362	11.341.143	-33	9
14	Room	19.027	91	209	22.630	174.877	-	1
15	The Choice	18.544	266	70	93.027	758.391	-51	2
16	Hail, Caesar!	17.765	154	115	361.330	2.948.934	-36	5
17	The Boy	12.389	189	66	243.016	2.057.909	-32	5
18	Grüße aus Fukushima	9.552	89	107	33.726	251.411	-35	2
19	Die wilden Kerle 6	9.487	396	24	479.692	3.059.054	-50	6
20	Lolo	9.104	122	75	19.351	131.293	-	1

 

What a bad weekend, oh my … not one opener did what I expected it to do - KFP3 and Allegiant with horrible drops from prior entries, and Room's PTA is sad. Among holdovers, most drops were bad too - at least some tresholds were crossed: Zootopia crossed 1.5mil; Deadpool 2.5mil - and with Easter holidays in effect, especially family stuff should see some nice weekdays and decent holds next weekend.

 

Next weekend: No less than 14 new releases (why at least some of them didn't open one week earlier escapes me) - the biggest one of course BvS which is difficult to predict. Batman always is a hit in Germany (DKR crossed 3mil admission, better than any MCU movie) - MoS otoh nearly flopped with <800k admissions. Always the optimist, I'm hoping BvS will make it to the higher end of this range - an opening in the 1mil admissions range would be nice. MBFGW2 will probably die a fast death (don't know why they didn't release it earlier, there's so little romcom competition atm). RockThe Kasbah won't get much business either.

[Aristis]

2 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said:

an opening in the 1mil admissions range would be nice.

You are a real optimist ^^

TDKR opened with about 1M admissions in 5 days. I would say 700-800K admissions would already be a success. But of course I hope for more.

 

Easter will affect it. Are there cinemas closed on Friday?

[IndustriousAngel]

On 22.3.2016 at 2:52 PM, Aristis said:

You are a real optimist ^^

TDKR opened with about 1M admissions in 5 days. I would say 700-800K admissions would already be a success. But of course I hope for more.

 

You're probably right, going by today's and tomorrow's shows at my theater Germany will end up north of 600k but not that much higher. But maybe it will gain momentum over the weekend (provided the movie is good)

[IndustriousAngel]

First weekend trend from insidekino.de :

 

#1: BvS - 650k admissions (more than doubles MoS opening)

#2: Zootopia - 225k (-35%)

#3: KFP3 - 100k (-40%)

 

That BvS number is not bad; as witnessed by the family film drops, it's a rather slow weekend overall.

[Aristis]

That drops are ugly... Why? Weather is rainy. Should have been better, especially for family movies... Maybe it'll go up.

BvS isn't bad at all if you compare it to other SH movies in Germany. Hopefully it isn't to front-loaded.

[IndustriousAngel]

yep I'm a bit confused too, would have thought this was the perfect weekend for family holdovers (no new openers either) ... and weather is really lousy. So let's keep our fingers crossed for a strong Sat/Sun and of course Monday too!

[IndustriousAngel]

okay, the 2nd trend is online and it's looking much better for holdovers:

 

#1: BvS - 650k admissions

#2: Zootopia - 325k (-5%, now we're talking!)

#3: KFP3 - 125k (-25% - still meh)

#4: Der geilste Tag - 110k (-10%)

[Aristis]

1 minute ago, IndustriousAngel said:

okay, the 2nd trend is online and it's looking much better for holdovers:

 

#1: BvS - 650k admissions

#2: Zootopia - 325k (-5%, now we're talking!)

#3: KFP3 - 125k (-25% - still meh)

#4: Der geilste Tag - 110k (-10%)

And BvS still is on track for 650k so not to frontloaded.

Today weather is sunny but tomorow should be rainy again. Bad for children who are looking for their easter eggs, good for the cinemas

[picores]

2 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said:

okay, the 2nd trend is online and it's looking much better for holdovers:

 

#1: BvS - 650k admissions

#2: Zootopia - 325k (-5%, now we're talking!)

#3: KFP3 - 125k (-25% - still meh)

#4: Der geilste Tag - 110k (-10%)

 

I just realized how badly KFP3 bombed. Zootopia headed to $30m+ with this drop, right?

[TalismanRing]

I don't understand why they waited so long to release KFP3 here only to place it in between Zootopia and Jungle Book with BvS looming over it.

[cannastop]

7 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

I don't understand why they waited so long to release KFP3 here only to place it in between Zootopia and Jungle Book with BvS looming over it.

They waited a long time to release KFP3 outside of Asia and North America. I guess they didn't think Zootopia would be a big hit.

[Dingdong123]

2 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said:

okay, the 2nd trend is online and it's looking much better for holdovers:

 

#1: BvS - 650k admissions

#2: Zootopia - 325k (-5%, now we're talking!)

#3: KFP3 - 125k (-25% - still meh)

#4: Der geilste Tag - 110k (-10%)

 

That's amazing for Zootopia! How much do you see it grossing in the end?

[Aristis]

$30M should be the goal for Zootopia. Needs about 3.2M admissions to reach that mark which should be doable. $30M to $35M is probably where it ends. $40M seems to much, would require 4.25M admissions and after that weekend it'll probably be at 2.23M. With old exchange rates $40M would have been the goal

 

(Probably it's not good to think about exchange rates)

[IndustriousAngel]

final estimates see BvS a bit down but still firmly over 600k admissions.

[Dingdong123]

18 hours ago, Aristis said:

$30M should be the goal for Zootopia. Needs about 3.2M admissions to reach that mark which should be doable. $30M to $35M is probably where it ends. $40M seems to much, would require 4.25M admissions and after that weekend it'll probably be at 2.23M. With old exchange rates $40M would have been the goal

 

(Probably it's not good to think about exchange rates)

 

That's great for Zootopia. Thanks for that. So France + Germany total is looking for $60 million which is awesome.

[zackzack]

How does that BvS number compare to other Superhero movies like Age of Ultron, Dark Knight Rises, and Spider-Man??