BO Germany/Austria: Dune first 2024 blockbuster (3mil admissions)

[Carlangonz]

3 hours ago, Brainbug said:

I think with all this we can say that these 4 steps could potentially help the german box office/theaters immensely:

 

1. Make tickets and theater food like popcorn etc cheaper. Yes, making things cheaper seems counterproductive on surface, but if theatergoing will get cheaper, more and more people here will be willing to watch movies because they can finally afford it. Especially familys.

 

2. A better schedules for all movies. More movies in the winter/Holidy season pls! Less big movies in the summer, more in the Fall and Spring! Its in the summer when its hot and sunny where most germans prefer pretty much every outdoor activity more than going to the theaters. This doesnt mean no summer releases ofc, but just less and more spread-out, so they dont cannibalize each other.

 

3. Stop the 3D nonsense.

 

4. This is not directed at Hollywood, this is directed at the afwul state of german filmmaking: Make better movies! 

Sadly with exception of No. 2 I think everything applies to many markets. 

[Flamengo81]

45 minutes ago, Carlangonz said:

Sadly with exception of No. 2 I think everything applies to many markets. 

True, especially number No. 1.

Here in my city in Brazil, which is a very big capital city but in one of the poorest states in the country and thusfar a lot cheaper than Rio/São Paulo, if you buy one movie ticket to a 3D session at the weekend and a Popcorno/Soda combo, for example, you will probably spend something around R$70 to R$100 which is 5-7% of the minimum wage. Let alone the price you pay for parking at the shopping, gas (which to fill the tank you spend aprox. 23% of the minimum wage) and etc...

[Sophia Jane]

“The Way of Water” breaks the German cinema record

In Germany, “The Way of Water” managed the feat of even becoming the most successful film of 2022. In just two weeks, the blockbuster sold more tickets in this country than the previous leader “Minions – In Search of the Mini Boss”, which speaks volumes about the enormous interest in the film. 

This is also clear in view of the latest record: the “Avatar” sequel defended first place in the cinema charts with outstanding revenues of 15.5 million euros thanks to 1.13 million tickets sold. No film has ever done that on its fourth weekend after the start. Unsurprisingly, James Cameron broke a record that he had previously set himself: “Titanic” had 1.07 million viewers and revenues of 7.2 million euros on the fourth weekend.

[charlie Jatinder]

8 hours ago, Brainbug said:

 

But you had terrible german sentence structure in the middle sentence. For german speakers, it reads more like:

 

"I have to say something, don't I? How there is no possibility, i should not. It is a must.

 

I mean it clears up the moment i saw your english version, but it was confusing haha. The english "like ... [...]" that often begins sentences doesnt have the same meaning in german, its not a 1:1 translation. "Wie" has a different meaning, depending on the context (most of the times, its an interrogative sentence).

Hör auf, Fakten zu spinnen. Ich hoffe, du lernst bald Deutsch.

[Brainbug]

1 hour ago, charlie Jatinder said:

Hör auf, Fakten zu spinnen. Ich hoffe, du lernst bald Deutsch.

 

Fun Fact: Im stuying history and german at my university. In a few years im actually teaching german at school so im confident in myself that i know a bit about german grammar

Btw the "Fakten spinnen" is nonsense. You probabaly got that from the english "to spin facts" but the german equivalant to that is "Fakten verdrehen". The word "Spinnen" as a verb has a different meaning in german, its the english "spinning."

 

Du hast noch einen weiten Weg vor dir, bevor du die deutsche Sprache meisterhaft beherrschst, mein junger Padawan.

[charlie Jatinder]

55 minutes ago, Brainbug said:

Btw the "Fakten spinnen" is nonsense.

are you telling me multi-billion dollar company google lied to me?

[charlie Jatinder]

On 1/3/2023 at 9:42 AM, charlie Jatinder said:

Austria Christmas weekend for record

 

Rang	Titel	Verleih	Besuche Wochenende	Besuche gesamt
1	Avatar 2: The Way of Water	Disney	67.673	288.196
2	Gestiefelte Kater, Der: Der letzte Wunsch	UPI	24.002	35.650
3	Räuber Hotzenplotz, Der	Const/STCanal	10.801	46.733
4	Weihnachtsfest für Teddy, Ein	Polyfilm	8.613	47.409
5	Black Panther: Wakanda Forever	Disney	3.335	178.705
6	Strange World	Disney	3.222	38.506
7	Whitney Houston: I Wanna Dance with Somebody	Sony	2.338	3.786
8	Violent Night	UPI	2.128	31.392
9	Magic Flute, The - Das vermächtnis der Zauberflöte	Const/Tobis	2.826	24.893
10	Oskars Kleid	Warner Bros	1.989	2.615

Rang	Titel	Verleih	Besuche Wochenende	Besuche gesamt
1	Avatar 2: The Way of Water	Disney	77.550	531.022
2	Gestiefelte Kater, Der: Der letzte Wunsch	UPI	21.887	94.352
3	Räuber Hotzenplotz, Der	Const/STCanal	8.286	68.199
4	Whitney Houston: I Wanna Dance with Somebody	Sony	4.329	16.842
5	Oskars Kleid	Warner Bros	4.156	15.169
6	Black Panther: Wakanda Forever	Disney	3.126	186.118
7	Schule der magischen Tiere 2, Die	Const/Leonine	2.873	231.182
8	Was man von hier aus sehen kann	Const/STCanal	2.107	3.110
9	Menu, The	Disney	1.548	46.409
10	Violent Night	UPI	1.732	36.297

[Shanks]

10 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

-Snip-

 

Seriously now, They are simply delaying weekend chart by whole week now. It was 2 days late 1st, then 4 days late and now whole week. they put out Local film chart almost next day.

[Brainbug]

1 minute ago, charlie Jatinder said:

are you telling me multi-billion dollar company google lied to me?

 

Yes, i do. "Fakten spinnen" in the sense of the english "to spin facts" is not something any german would ever say lol.

 

Problem with Google Translator and other instant translation methods is often that they take words face-value and while that works in many cases, in others it fails hilariously because some words just dont have a 1:1 translation in other languages or cant be used in the same way as in the original language. One of my personal favourite examples is:

 

German: "Ich glaube, ich spinne!" to English: "I believe, i spider!"

 

This is a face-value direct translation of all the german words into english, but the german "ich spinne!" is in fact in english something like "im going crazy!" because it comes from the verb "spinnen" (english: similar to "beeing mad/crazy") and not the word "Spider" in the sense of the animal.

 

God im probably annoying everyone who wants to see box office numbers in this thread LOL

[Taruseth]

4 hours ago, Brainbug said:

 

Fun Fact: Im stuying history and german at my university. In a few years im actually teaching german at school so im confident in myself that i know a bit about german grammar

Btw the "Fakten spinnen" is nonsense. You probabaly got that from the english "to spin facts" but the german equivalant to that is "Fakten verdrehen". The word "Spinnen" as a verb has a different meaning in german, its the english "spinning."

 

Du hast noch einen weiten Weg vor dir, bevor du die deutsche Sprache meisterhaft beherrschst, mein junger Padawan.

Oh, a fellow teacher - but German and history - chemistry and mathematics are far better

You do sound like a teacher xD

Ich bin aktuell im meinem Referendariat:)

 

7 hours ago, Bruce said:

“The Way of Water” breaks the German cinema record

In Germany, “The Way of Water” managed the feat of even becoming the most successful film of 2022. In just two weeks, the blockbuster sold more tickets in this country than the previous leader “Minions – In Search of the Mini Boss”, which speaks volumes about the enormous interest in the film. 

This is also clear in view of the latest record: the “Avatar” sequel defended first place in the cinema charts with outstanding revenues of 15.5 million euros thanks to 1.13 million tickets sold. No film has ever done that on its fourth weekend after the start. Unsurprisingly, James Cameron broke a record that he had previously set himself: “Titanic” had 1.07 million viewers and revenues of 7.2 million euros on the fourth weekend.

Slightly more than doubling the € - that's insane.

 

[nox]

Slightly off-topic, but FB3 did reach 3m admissions after all.

 

http://insidekino.de/DJahr/D2022.htm

[IndustriousAngel]

Germany's Top20 last weekend:

	title	admissions	th.	PTA	total adm.	total €	drop	week
1	Avatar 2	1.132.880	739	1.533	6.510.435	87.516.932	+6	4
2	Puss in Boots 2	255.013	633	403	997.853	8.392.480	+24	3
3	Operation Fortune	125.947	480	262	142.615	1.344.431	-	1
4	Der Räuber Hotzenplotz	99.033	710	139	654.143	4.756.232	+12	5
5	Oskars Kleid	86.909	579	150	341.532	3.103.823	+14	3
6	The Banshees of Inisherin	63.416	120	528	69.125	658.625	-	1
7	Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2	54.644	381	143	2.529.556	18.496.566	+56	15
8	I Wanna Dance with Somebody	48.621	430	113	209.826	2.122.378	+5	3
9	Was man von hier aus sehen kann	37.069	143	259	93.218	831.775	+32	2
10	Black Panther 2	18.954	182	104	1.496.801	16.979.479	-12	9
11	Einfach mal was Schönes	16.336	282	58	606.317	5.606.997	-16	8
12	Hui Buh und das Hexenschloss	15.783	277	57	519.247	3.959.869	+8	10
13	Belle & Sebastian 2	14.611	253	58	14.634	110.146	-	1
14	Triangle of Sadness	13.708	126	109	429.881	4.127.266	+25	13
15	Strange World	13.569	236	57	284.048	2.235.104	-1	7
16	The Menu	12.396	130	95	307.477	2.891.647	+14	8
17	Die Mucklas...	11.594	167	69	270.027	1.906.503	+44	12
18	She Said	11.109	121	92	121.904	1.107.407	+28	5
19	Rheingold	10.172	97	105	991.601	9.845.635	+4	11
20	Terrifier 2	9.796	157	62	93.824	994.812	+30	5

Wonderful weekend - nearly every release had some satisfying numbers! Operation Fortune opened much higher than the latest Guy Richie crime comedy, and The Banshees of Inisherin had a healthy PTA - as did Puss in Boots 2 which is making up for the depressed OW. And then there's Avatar 2 which is simply blowing everything out of the water - highest 4th weekend ever! 9mil total are a lock and 10mil in play … crazy! And congratulations to domestic children's book adaption Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2 which crossed 2,5mil total - a lot stronger than part 1 which was already considered a big success!

Once more, Austria's weekend was even better, Avatar is already past 700k here (the 4th weekend was actually its biggest to date), Puss and Fortune and Hotzenplotz were a lot stronger, too - so we had 4 releases >10k admissions.

Next weekend: Of course, with holidays now officially over, we have to get used to more "normal" numbers, but there's little doubt Avatar 2 will continue to draw in the crowds - can it come near 700k? The only "big" opener will be M3gan … and while there's no other horror release in theaters atm, there's very little breathing space in the evening - Top 3 would be a surprise.

 

As an aside - I have no idea what Disney is doing with Strange World … on a weekend where nearly every release increased (and family stuff even more so), this dropped again. Just sad.

[Taruseth]

1 hour ago, IndustriousAngel said:

Germany's Top20 last weekend:

 

 

	title	admissions	th.	PTA	total adm.	total €	drop	week
1	Avatar 2	1.132.880	739	1.533	6.510.435	87.516.932	+6	4
2	Puss in Boots 2	255.013	633	403	997.853	8.392.480	+24	3
3	Operation Fortune	125.947	480	262	142.615	1.344.431	-	1
4	Der Räuber Hotzenplotz	99.033	710	139	654.143	4.756.232	+12	5
5	Oskars Kleid	86.909	579	150	341.532	3.103.823	+14	3
6	The Banshees of Inisherin	63.416	120	528	69.125	658.625	-	1
7	Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2	54.644	381	143	2.529.556	18.496.566	+56	15
8	I Wanna Dance with Somebody	48.621	430	113	209.826	2.122.378	+5	3
9	Was man von hier aus sehen kann	37.069	143	259	93.218	831.775	+32	2
10	Black Panther 2	18.954	182	104	1.496.801	16.979.479	-12	9
11	Einfach mal was Schönes	16.336	282	58	606.317	5.606.997	-16	8
12	Hui Buh und das Hexenschloss	15.783	277	57	519.247	3.959.869	+8	10
13	Belle & Sebastian 2	14.611	253	58	14.634	110.146	-	1
14	Triangle of Sadness	13.708	126	109	429.881	4.127.266	+25	13
15	Strange World	13.569	236	57	284.048	2.235.104	-1	7
16	The Menu	12.396	130	95	307.477	2.891.647	+14	8
17	Die Mucklas...	11.594	167	69	270.027	1.906.503	+44	12
18	She Said	11.109	121	92	121.904	1.107.407	+28	5
19	Rheingold	10.172	97	105	991.601	9.845.635	+4	11
20	Terrifier 2	9.796	157	62	93.824	994.812	+30	5

Wonderful weekend - nearly every release had some satisfying numbers! Operation Fortune opened much higher than the latest Guy Richie crime comedy, and The Banshees of Inisherin had a healthy PTA - as did Puss in Boots 2 which is making up for the depressed OW. And then there's Avatar 2 which is simply blowing everything out of the water - highest 4th weekend ever! 9mil total are a lock and 10mil in play … crazy! And congratulations to domestic children's book adaption Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2 which crossed 2,5mil total - a lot stronger than part 1 which was already considered a big success!

Once more, Austria's weekend was even better, Avatar is already past 700k here (the 4th weekend was actually its biggest to date), Puss and Fortune and Hotzenplotz were a lot stronger, too - so we had 4 releases >10k admissions.

Next weekend: Of course, with holidays now officially over, we have to get used to more "normal" numbers, but there's little doubt Avatar 2 will continue to draw in the crowds - can it come near 700k? The only "big" opener will be M3gan … and while there's no other horror release in theaters atm, there's very little breathing space in the evening - Top 3 would be a surprise.

 

 

As an aside - I have no idea what Disney is doing with Strange World … on a weekend where nearly every release increased (and family stuff even more so), this dropped again. Just sad.

I feel like the 10% rule for Austria hasn't really worked in the past year (Austria always did a little more than a tenth of the German box office - because the population is slightly more than a tenth of the German one: ~9m for Austria and 84.3m for Germany - so 10.7% and they were overall slightly more likely to go to the cinema the difference depending on the year being negligible or very small though).

2022 had big outliners like TGM (completely different worlds).

And right now most movies are ahead by quite a lot in Austria (PiB should probably be approaching 140k already (more than 40% ahead). Hotzenplotz above 85k etc. Black Panther is around 190k.

 

Right now Oskars Kleid seems to be the only exception.

 

RO had pretty awful late legs and only added around 1.5 its 4th weekend.

 

If we take TFA for example, Avatar would add another 2.78m and end its run with 9.29m - that should definitely be not too hard.

It it follow NWH it would add another 4.06m and end with 10.57m.

 

 

It definitely won't follow the original Avatar though, cause that added around 9.5times its 4th weekend and for Avatar 2 that would mean 10.59m and a 17.1m total. or if you see it differently it did a little more than double its 4th weekend total - even that would mean around 14m for Avatar 2.

 

 

 

 

[Aristis]

 

	AVATAR 1			AVATAR 2
1st WE	893	---	893	1.157	---	1.332
midweek	594	---	1.487	481	---	1.813
	1.487	---		1.638	---
2nd WE	857	-4%	2.344	735	-36%	2.548
midweek	850	+43%	3.194	1.101	+129%	3.649
	1.707	+15%		1.836	+12%
3rd WE	740	-14%	3.934	1.067	+45%	4.716
midweek	496	-42%	4.430	661	-40%	5.377
	1.236	-28%		1.728	-6%
4th WE	625	-16%	5.055	1.133	+6%	6.510
midweek	212	-57%	5.267	235*	-64%	6.745*
	837	-32%		1.368	-21%
5th WE	598	-4%	5.865
midweek	219	+3%	6.084
	817	-2%
6th WE	593	-1%	6.677
midweek	189	-14%	6.866
	782	-4%
7th WE	528	-11%	7.394
midweek	219	16%	7.613
	747	-4%
8th WE	547	+4%	8.160
midweek	149	-32%	8.309
	696	-7%
9th WE	398	-27%	8.707
midweek	190	28%	8.897
	588	-16%
10th WE	370	-7%	9.267
midweek	99	-48%	9.366
	469	-20%
Total	12,2x	12,2x	10.897M**	8,21x***	7,13x	9.500M

*following RO midweek

**only 1st release

***multipler from 4-day and 5-day OW respectively

 

A2s lead grew from its low point, 204k after 2nd WE, to 1,455M after 4th WE (and maybe around 1,550M after 5th WE if it dropped 40% to 675k). The lead should start to shrink over the course of the 5th weekdays.

 

https://www.insidekino.com/Y/DuellJC.htm

Edited January 10, 2023 by Aristis

[Sophia Jane]

If its break 10m admission it will have €130m+ box office 
Insane

 

[Taruseth]

2 minutes ago, Bruce said:

If its break 10m admission it will have €130m+ box office 
Insane

 

ATP right now is €13.44.

 

(4th weekend had an ATP of €13.66) - so looks like it might stay around €13.45 ATP.

[Sophia Jane]

5 minutes ago, Taruseth said:

ATP right now is €13.44.

 

(4th weekend had an ATP of €13.66) - so looks like it might stay around €13.45 ATP.

Germany box office probably higher than France

France ATP is only around $10.5

Need 14m beat Germany

Edited January 10, 2023 by Bruce

[Taruseth]

5 minutes ago, Bruce said:

Germany box office probably higher than France

France ATP is only around $10.5

Need 14m beat Germany

Right now I'd say France still holds the edge.

Around 14m would translate to roughly $147m with your ATP

While around 10m in Germany would translate to roughly $142m.

Both are going to be far closer to A1 Dollargross than anticipated though - most predictions in the Summer were probably around $70m-$80m.

 

[Shanks]

AUSTRIA:

06.01.2023 - 08.01.2023

 

Movie Title			Weekend	Total
Avatar: The Way of Water	Disney	14.12.2022	€1,749,743	€11,469,021
Puss in Boots: The Last Wish	Universal	12/22/2022	€315,319	€1,592,704
Operation Fortune	Const/Leonine	01/05/2023	€197,083	€354,869
The Robber Hotzenplotz	Constantine	08.12.2022	€120,153	€850,567
Whitney Houston: I Wanna Dance with Somebody	Sony	12/22/2022	€64,738	€321,146
Oscar's dress	warner	12/22/2022	€59,836	€273,088
The Banshees of Inisherin	Disney	01/05/2023	€48,789	€86,343
The School of Magical Animals 2	Const/Leonine	09/29/2022	€45,118	€1,987,495
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever	Disney	11/09/2022	€33,924	€2,522,740
The Menu	Disney	11/17/2022	€28,652	€498,455

[Taruseth]

4 minutes ago, Shanks said:

AUSTRIA:

06.01.2023 - 08.01.2023

 

Movie Title			Weekend	Total
Avatar: The Way of Water	Disney	14.12.2022	€1,749,743	€11,469,021
Puss in Boots: The Last Wish	Universal	12/22/2022	€315,319	€1,592,704
Operation Fortune	Const/Leonine	01/05/2023	€197,083	€354,869
The Robber Hotzenplotz	Constantine	08.12.2022	€120,153	€850,567
Whitney Houston: I Wanna Dance with Somebody	Sony	12/22/2022	€64,738	€321,146
Oscar's dress	warner	12/22/2022	€59,836	€273,088
The Banshees of Inisherin	Disney	01/05/2023	€48,789	€86,343
The School of Magical Animals 2	Const/Leonine	09/29/2022	€45,118	€1,987,495
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever	Disney	11/09/2022	€33,924	€2,522,740
The Menu	Disney	11/17/2022	€28,652	€498,455

How f high is the ATP in Austria? roughly €15.15