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On 11/13/2023 at 9:48 PM, Hilts said:

 

The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes OK
 
Thursday - showings starting 3pm ATP $14.87
 
Day Theatres Showings Daily Sold Total Sold Total Seats % Sold Growth
T-7 24 111 81 977 19,969 4.89% 9.04%
T-6 24 111 87 1,064 19,969 5.33% 8.90%
T-5 24 111 65 1,129 19,969 5.65% 6.11%
T-4 24 111 129 1,258 19,969 6.30% 11.43%
T-3 24 112 188 1,446 20,028 7.22% 14.94%
 
MTC1 8 34 +80 611 5,726 10.67% 15.07%
MTC2 4 30 +35 217 4,632 4.68% 19.23%
MTC3 3 20 +35 334 5,355 6.24% 11.71%
Other 9 28 +38 284 4,315 6.58% 15.45%
 
Comps
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 0.894x = $6.43m
Barbie 0.268x = $5.95m
Oppenheimer 0.572x = $6.01m
Five Nights At Freddy's 0.659x = $6.79m
The Marvels 1.351x = $8.92m

 

Matinee: 6.50%

3D: 1.31%

PLF: 33.68%

 

Comp average: $6.82m

 

Positive trend still. Up except Barbenheimer which only dropped a tiny bit.

 

The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes OK
 
Thursday - showings starting 3pm ATP $14.82
 
Day Theatres Showings Daily Sold Total Sold Total Seats % Sold Growth
T-6 24 111 87 1,064 19,969 5.33% 8.90%
T-5 24 111 65 1,129 19,969 5.65% 6.11%
T-4 24 111 129 1,258 19,969 6.30% 11.43%
T-3 24 112 188 1,446 20,028 7.22% 14.94%
T-2 25 134 292 1,738 21,890 7.94% 20.19%
 
MTC1 8 37 +107 718 6,023 11.92% 17.51%
MTC2 4 30 +57 274 4,632 5.92% 26.27%
MTC3 3 24 +79 413 5,816 7.10% 23.65%
Other 10 43 +49 333 5,419 6.15% 17.25%
 
Comps
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 0.975x = $7.02m
Barbie 0.274x = $6.09m
Oppenheimer 0.600x = $6.30m
Five Nights At Freddy's 0.694x = $7.15m
The Marvels 1.375x = $9.08m

 

Matinee: 6.44%

3D: 1.15%

PLF: 33.37%

 

Comp average: $7.13m

 

All comps increased again! It is doing well here. I think it will pass Indy for sure.

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On 11/13/2023 at 9:50 PM, Hilts said:

 

Wish OK
 
Saturday - 4pm - Early Access Screening ATP $10.13
 
Day Theatres Showings Daily Sold Total Sold Total Seats % Sold Growth
T-9 6 6 5 35 813 4.31% 16.67%
T-8 6 6 7 42 813 5.17% 20.00%
T-7 6 6 10 52 813 6.40% 23.81%
T-6 6 6 8 60 813 7.38% 15.38%
T-5 6 6 4 64 813 7.87% 6.67%
 
MTC1 2 2 +1 32 230 13.91% 3.23%
MTC2 2 2 0 8 224 3.57% 0.00%
MTC3 2 2 +3 24 359 6.69% 14.29%

 

Tuesday - showings starting 3pm ATP $12.27**
 
Day Theatres Showings Daily Sold Total Sold Total Seats % Sold Growth
T-12 20 87 11 74 13,535 0.55% 17.46%
T-11 20 87 9 83 13,535 0.61% 12.16%
T-10 20 87 2 85 13,535 0.63% 2.41%
T-9 24 102 3 88 14,888 0.59% 3.53%
T-8 24 104 10 98 15,088 0.65% 11.36%
 
MTC1 7 28 0 59 3,970 1.49% 0.00%
MTC2 4 23 0 17 3,687 0.46% 0.00%
MTC3 3 14 0 8 2,590 0.31% 0.00%
Other 10 39 +10 14 4,841 0.29% 250.00%
 
Comps Raw ATP adj*
Haunted Mansion 0.685x = $2.12m $1.59m
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: MM 0.527x = $2.03m  
Trolls Band Together 1.065x      

 

*75%

**only considers Discount Tue across some (not all) theatres and so is largely irrelevant and incalculable.

 

Matinee: 32.65%

3D: 28.57%

 

EA is now less than a third of Trolls at the same stage.

 

Wish OK
 
Saturday - 4pm - Early Access Screening ATP $10.19
 
Day Theatres Showings Daily Sold Total Sold Total Seats % Sold Growth
T-8 6 6 7 42 813 5.17% 20.00%
T-7 6 6 10 52 813 6.40% 23.81%
T-6 6 6 8 60 813 7.38% 15.38%
T-5 6 6 4 64 813 7.87% 6.67%
T-4 6 6 13 77 813 9.47% 20.31%
 
MTC1 2 2 +4 36 230 15.65% 12.50%
MTC2 2 2 0 8 224 3.57% 0.00%
MTC3 2 2 +9 33 359 9.19% 37.50%

 

Tuesday - showings starting 3pm ATP $12.28**
 
Day Theatres Showings Daily Sold Total Sold Total Seats % Sold Growth
T-11 20 87 9 83 13,535 0.61% 12.16%
T-10 20 87 2 85 13,535 0.63% 2.41%
T-9 24 102 3 88 14,888 0.59% 3.53%
T-8 24 104 10 98 15,088 0.65% 11.36%
T-7 24 103 12 110 14,951 0.74% 12.24%
 
MTC1 7 28 +8 67 3,970 1.69% 13.56%
MTC2 4 23 0 17 3,687 0.46% 0.00%
MTC3 3 14 0 8 2,590 0.31% 0.00%
Other 10 38 +4 18 4,704 0.38% 28.57%
 
Comps Raw ATP adj*
Haunted Mansion 0.753x = $2.34m $1.75m
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: MM 0.547x = $2.11m  
Trolls Band Together 0.957x      

 

*75%

**only considers Discount Tue across some (not all) theatres and so is largely irrelevant and incalculable.

 

Matinee: 33.64%

3D: 28.18%

 

I think overall this is its best day so far. Unfortunately that is not saying too much.

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On 11/13/2023 at 9:53 PM, Hilts said:

 

Napoleon OK
 
Tuesday - showings starting 3pm ATP $13.66**
 
Day Theatres Showings Daily Sold Total Sold Total Seats % Sold Growth
T-12 18 54 15 118 8,872 1.33% 14.56%
T-11 18 54 9 127 8,872 1.43% 7.63%
T-10 19 56 14 141 9,976 1.41% 11.02%
T-9 19 56 25 166 9,976 1.66% 17.73%
T-8 19 56 41 207 9,976 2.07% 24.70%
 
MTC1 8 21 +15 83 3,677 2.26% 22.06%
MTC2 3 9 0 16 1,187 1.35% 0.00%
MTC3 3 14 +16 71 3,744 1.90% 29.09%
Other 5 12 +10 37 1,368 2.70% 37.04%
 
Comps
Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One 0.499x = $3.49m
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem 1.113x = $4.28m
Oppenheimer 0.141x = $1.48m
The Creator 1.935x = $2.61m

 

**only considers Discount Tue across some (not all) theatres and so is largely irrelevant and incalculable.

 

Matinee: 17.87%

PLF: 32.85%

 

Yes another good day. No idea where this will land yet.

 

Napoleon OK
 
Tuesday - showings starting 3pm ATP $13.78**
 
Day Theatres Showings Daily Sold Total Sold Total Seats % Sold Growth
T-11 18 54 9 127 8,872 1.43% 7.63%
T-10 19 56 14 141 9,976 1.41% 11.02%
T-9 19 56 25 166 9,976 1.66% 17.73%
T-8 19 56 41 207 9,976 2.07% 24.70%
T-7 19 56 23 230 9,976 2.31% 11.11%
 
MTC1 8 21 +5 88 3,677 2.39% 6.02%
MTC2 3 9 0 16 1,187 1.35% 0.00%
MTC3 3 14 +15 86 3,744 2.30% 21.13%
Other 5 12 +3 40 1,368 2.92% 8.11%
 
Comps
Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One 0.510x = $3.57m
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem 1.144x = $4.41m
Oppenheimer 0.144x = $1.52m
The Creator 2.000x = $2.70m

 

**only considers Discount Tue across some (not all) theatres and so is largely irrelevant and incalculable.

 

Matinee: 17.39%

PLF: 36.09%

 

More increases.

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23 hours ago, TheFlatLannister said:

Orlando-Daytona-Gainesville 

 

NAPOLEON

 

Tuesday Previews 

 

T-8

SHOWINGS

SEATS SOLD

TOTAL SEATS

PERCENT SOLD

156

362

30092

1.2%

*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

29

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

COMPS

T-8

 

(0.288x) of Mi7 $2.01M

(0.484x) of TMNT $1.86M

Comps AVG: $1.94M

 

(0.655x) of KoTFM $1.70M Previews *ATP not adjusted for discount Tuesday* 

 

Much better day 

Orlando-Daytona-Gainesville 

 

NAPOLEON

 

Tuesday Previews 

 

T-7

SHOWINGS

SEATS SOLD

TOTAL SEATS

PERCENT SOLD

156

405

30092

1.3%

*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

43

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

COMPS

T-7

 

(0.264x) of Mi7 $1.85M

(0.538x) of TMNT $2.07M

Comps AVG: $1.96M

 

(0.698x) of KoTFM $1.82M Previews *ATP not adjusted for discount Tuesday* 

 

Another pretty good day

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23 hours ago, TheFlatLannister said:

Orlando-Daytona-Gainesville 


Trolls: Band Together 

 

Thursday Previews 

 

T-3

SHOWINGS

SEATS SOLD

TOTAL SEATS

PERCENT SOLD

175

456

31973

1.4%

*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

33

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

2

 

SELLOUTS

1

 

COMPS 

T-3

 

(0.509x) of Elemental $1.22M Previews

(3.081x) of Ruby Gilman $2.23M Previews

COMPS AVG: $1.73M

Orlando-Daytona-Gainesville 


Trolls: Band Together 

 

Thursday Previews 

 

T-2

SHOWINGS

SEATS SOLD

TOTAL SEATS

PERCENT SOLD

221

510

40348

1.3%

*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

54

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

46

 

SELLOUTS

1

 

COMPS 

T-2

 

(0.495x) of Elemental $1.19M Previews

(2.914x) of Ruby Gilman $2.11M Previews

COMPS AVG: $1.65M

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On 11/10/2023 at 7:17 PM, keysersoze123 said:

The Wish MTC1

Early Shows(11/18) - 3469/22364 39544.05 190 shows

Previews (11/21)  - 8191/302596 1909 shows // I cannot get actual $ value here

Friday - 5473/477271 74277.25 2847 shows

The Wish MTC1

Early Shows(11/18) - 5395/22288 60938.27 190 shows

Previews (11/21)  - 9782/328909 2084 shows

Wednesday -  9531/497454 132804.01 3032 shows

Thursday - 5556/423348 75266.90 2558 shows

Friday - 7653/494732 103503.65 2953 shows

 

not much of a pace over past 4 days. 

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On 11/13/2023 at 6:38 PM, TheFlatLannister said:

Orlando-Daytona-Gainesville 

 

GODZILLA MINUS ONE

 

Thursday Previews 

 

T-17

SHOWINGS

SEATS SOLD

TOTAL SEATS

PERCENT SOLD

43

187

8284

2.3%

*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

7

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

10

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

COMPS 

T-17

 

(0.453x) of Exorcist $1.29M Previews

(0.085x) of FNAF $879k Previews

Comps AVG: $1.08M

 

EA sales *separate from Thursdays previews listed above*

394 seats sold over 20 showings 

Orlando-Daytona-Gainesville 

 

GODZILLA MINUS ONE

 

Thursday Previews 

 

T-16

SHOWINGS

SEATS SOLD

TOTAL SEATS

PERCENT SOLD

43

204

8284

2.5%

*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

17

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

COMPS 

T-16

 

(0.473x) of Exorcist $1.35M Previews

(0.091x) of FNAF $937k Previews

Comps AVG: $1.14M

 

EA sales *separate from Thursdays previews listed above*

421 seats sold over 20 showings 

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On 11/13/2023 at 6:50 PM, TheFlatLannister said:

Orlando-Daytona-Gainesville 

 

THANKSGIVING

 

Thursday Previews 

 

T-3

SHOWINGS

SEATS SOLD

TOTAL SEATS

PERCENT SOLD

130

215

22191

0.97%

*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

17

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

7

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

COMPS 

T-3

 

(0.249x) of Exorcist $711K Previews

(0.511x) of Haunting at Venice $613K Previews

Comps AVG: $662k

Orlando-Daytona-Gainesville 

 

THANKSGIVING

 

Thursday Previews 

 

T-2

SHOWINGS

SEATS SOLD

TOTAL SEATS

PERCENT SOLD

130

246

22191

1.2%

*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

31

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

COMPS 

T-2

 

(0.244x) of Exorcist $695K Previews

(0.583x) of Haunting at Venice $699K Previews

Comps AVG: $697k

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On 11/13/2023 at 6:45 PM, TheFlatLannister said:

Orlando-Daytona-Gainesville 

 

WISH

 

Tuesday Previews 

 

T-8

SHOWINGS

SEATS SOLD

TOTAL SEATS

PERCENT SOLD

176

807

32461

2.5%

*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

43

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

COMPS 

T-8

 

(1.387x) of Elemental $3.33M Previews *Not adjusted for ATP discount Tuesday* 

 

*Saturday EA* separate from previews 

290 seats sold over 10 showings 

Orlando-Daytona-Gainesville 

 

WISH

 

Tuesday Previews 

 

T-7

SHOWINGS

SEATS SOLD

TOTAL SEATS

PERCENT SOLD

180

839

33295

2.6%

*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

32

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

4

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

COMPS 

T-7

 

(1.333x) of Elemental $3.20M Previews *Not adjusted for ATP discount Tuesday* 

 

*Saturday EA* separate from previews 

317 seats sold over 10 showings 

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On 11/13/2023 at 6:54 PM, TheFlatLannister said:

Orlando-Daytona-Gainesville 

 

THE HUNGER GAMES: THE BALLAD OF SONGBIRDS AND SNAKES

 

Thursday Previews 

 

T-3

SHOWINGS

SEATS SOLD

TOTAL SEATS

PERCENT SOLD

182

2241

34982

6.4%

*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

122

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

COMPS 

T-3

 

(0.545x) of TLM $5.59M Previews

(0.520x) of FNAF $5.35M Previews

(0.620x) of The Flash $6.02M Previews

(0.737x) of The Marvels $4.87M Previews

Comps AVG: $5.46M

 

Lost ground against most comps. Reviews probably did stunt growth 

Orlando-Daytona-Gainesville 

 

THE HUNGER GAMES: THE BALLAD OF SONGBIRDS AND SNAKES

 

Thursday Previews 

 

T-2

SHOWINGS

SEATS SOLD

TOTAL SEATS

PERCENT SOLD

221

2748

44686

6.1%

*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

507

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

39

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

COMPS 

T-2

 

(0.588x) of TLM $6.06M Previews

(0.575x) of FNAF $5.92M Previews

(0.682x) of The Flash $6.61M Previews

(0.813x) of The Marvels $5.36M Previews

Comps AVG: $5.99M

 

Very good day. Heading to $6.5M+

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20 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

The Wish MTC1

Early Shows(11/18) - 5395/22288 60938.27 190 shows

Previews (11/21)  - 9782/328909 2084 shows

Wednesday -  9531/497454 132804.01 3032 shows

Thursday - 5556/423348 75266.90 2558 shows

Friday - 7653/494732 103503.65 2953 shows

 

not much of a pace over past 4 days. 

The good news is Early Access are around the same as Trolls 3 :

 

At T-5 : Early Shows(11/4) - 5249/47862 52417.79 272 shows , so around 5900 and around 59000 .

 

The bad is for previews in comparaison with Elemental : At T-6

 

Elemental MTC1

Previews - 7830/301099 124747.08 2145 shows +2775

Friday - 8916/482205 130981.32 3282 shows +3899

 

so for Wish at T-6 ( in comparaison with T-11) :

 

Previews around 10200 and around 155000 (+2000)

Wednesday around 10,1K and around 140000

 

Comp :

Previews at 3M and Wednesday at around 10M

 

Elemental hasn't a good run for this final days and the movie hadn't the embargo yet so maybe people wait the reception for Wish

 

For Comparaison with TMNT which he has got the same opening : at T-3

 

Previews(8/1) - 22218/528323 363997.92 3345 shows

 

I think Wish will be at the half of previews so around 2M for now maybe more if the movie has good jump in Saturday due to the end of EA and maybe the good critics at the end of Embargo

 

For Comparaison with Trolls 3 for Wednesday :

 

At T-8 Friday - 7227/415591 103188.75 2632 shows

At T-4 Friday - 10418/418867 149062.70 2657 shows

 

So around 8K and 115K at T-7, so around +15% for Wish but the latter will have better legs due to Thanksgiving

 

Also the pace for Friday for Wish  is better than Tuesday yet , it's logical but it's good

 

Now i think if the movie try to stay at the same legs in presales like Elemental and if the movie ,during the week, will have the same multi than Elemental ( OW x6,5 the true OD) or Strange World ( OW x5 the true OD) depending of the WOM and critics  the range is between 50-65M ( yeah it's wide) . I predict for now the same prediction than the industry : 50-55M OWeek

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Grand Cine said:

The good news is Early Access are around the same as Trolls 3 :

 

At T-5 : Early Shows(11/4) - 5249/47862 52417.79 272 shows , so around 5900 and around 59000 .

 

The bad is for previews in comparaison with Elemental : At T-6

 

Elemental MTC1

Previews - 7830/301099 124747.08 2145 shows +2775

Friday - 8916/482205 130981.32 3282 shows +3899

 

so for Wish at T-6 ( in comparaison with T-11) :

 

Previews around 10200 and around 155000 (+2000)

Wednesday around 10,1K and around 140000

 

Comp :

Previews at 3M and Wednesday at around 10M

 

Elemental hasn't a good run for this final days and the movie hadn't the embargo yet so maybe people wait the reception for Wish

 

For Comparaison with TMNT which he has got the same opening : at T-3

 

Previews(8/1) - 22218/528323 363997.92 3345 shows

 

I think Wish will be at the half of previews so around 2M for now maybe more if the movie has good jump in Saturday due to the end of EA and maybe the good critics at the end of Embargo

 

For Comparaison with Trolls 3 for Wednesday :

 

At T-8 Friday - 7227/415591 103188.75 2632 shows

At T-4 Friday - 10418/418867 149062.70 2657 shows

 

So around 8K and 115K at T-7, so around +15% for Wish but the latter will have better legs due to Thanksgiving

 

Also the pace for Friday for Wish  is better than Tuesday yet , it's logical but it's good

 

Now i think if the movie try to stay at the same legs in presales like Elemental and if the movie ,during the week, will have the same multi than Elemental ( OW x6,5 the true OD) or Strange World ( OW x5 the true OD) depending of the WOM and critics  the range is between 50-65M ( yeah it's wide) . I predict for now the same prediction than the industry : 50-55M OWeek

 

 

 

 

Elemental comp is useless due to discount tuesday. You have to discount like 30% or so for discount tix. 

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11 minutes ago, Grand Cine said:

Comp :

Previews at 3M and Wednesday at around 10M

 

That’s a  4.33x jump from TUE to WED assuming the $10M is pure WED

 

Encanto jumped 5.03x, so if it keeps that ratio with Encanto’s jumps for the full 5 days, we should be looking at a roughly 22.5-24x IM from TUE to the total 5-days minus EA. Which off $3M TUE, I think would take this a fair bit higher than your $50-55M projection. $3M TUE and a 22.5-24x IM should take this to around $67-72M over 5 days, and with the review embargo and EA boost baked in, I think this could get higher against that Elemental comp. Looking promising to me.

 

 

EDIT: forgot about discount TUE in regards to the Elemental comp. Maybe take all that math down to $2.2-2.5M TUE and a $50-60M 5-day

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That’s a  4.33x jump from TUE to WED assuming the $10M is pure WED

 

Encanto jumped 5.03x, so if it keeps that ratio with Encanto’s jumps for the full 5 days, we should be looking at a roughly 22.5-24x IM from TUE to the total 5-days minus EA. Which off $3M TUE, I think would take this a fair bit higher than your $50-55M projection. $3M TUE and a 22.5-24x IM should take this to around $67-72M over 5 days, and with the review embargo and EA boost baked in, I think this could get higher against that Elemental comp. Looking promising to me.

That kinda opening with decent legs gives it a pretty good chance at winning Q4 domestic doesn't it?

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Not sold on Wish doing 3M previews even with EA. Though it’s pacing well against Elemental, it’s still has Discount Tuesday as a factor and also for TMNT I think it’s likely that skewed older which could’ve fucked with ATP even with Discount Tuesday. 2M minus EA seems likely given pace, maybe even 2.5M, but unless pace dramatically increase this weekend, I doubt it.

 

Feel like Trolls opening this week takes some wind out of its sales as that’s the family demographic but maybe it can rebound over the weekend and Mon-Tuesday. Still needs good reviews to be possible. 45m-55m 5-Day seems about right, knowing what we know now. So 135-175m total?

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I found the tracking of the final days for Elemental : with the 30% of Discount Tuesday to take into account


 Previews(T-4) - 11317/301405 177836.43 2151 shows

Elemental MTC1 Previews(T-3) - 13652/312865 211666.02 2263 shows +2335
Elemental MTC1 Previews(T-2) - 16851/337737 258446.67 2496 shows +3199
Elemental MTC1 Previews(T-1) - 21913/340828 329714.67 2519 shows +5062
Elemental MTC1 Previews Final - 45367/341483 661617.29 2521 shows


Friday (T-4) - 14317/482882 207658.53 3292 shows
Elemental Friday ( T-2) 24861/590735 353506.47 4234 shows // +6376

 

Clearly to surpass Elemental ( 2,4M) , Wish should make 65K , to make 2M , it should make around 53K-54K , also i forget that Wish had Early Access contrary to Elemental so i think and i hope we will have big jump Monday/Tuesday

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