Weekend Numbers [Aug 02 - Aug 04, 2024] | Actuals | 96.81M DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE | 22.80M TWISTERS | 15.45M TRAP

[titanic2187]

2 hours ago, eddyxx said:

 

MCU is afraid of romance. Even this new Deadpool movie downplays his romance that was central to his motivations in previous movies. After the initial movies from phase one and two, it seems like Marvel took criticism of its female characters to either downplay love interests or avoid them altogether. I can't remember a marvel movie with a big kiss scene in it in ages.

Not just MCU, you can say it is the whole Hollywood.  

[Jaxon5]

13 minutes ago, Kon said:

You're right that "WOMEN NEED A LOVE INTEREST" sounds as a sexist statement. However, it's true that a lot of female audience like romance.

 

Superhero movies are action movies, which is a genre that many women are not very interested. So, if you want to attract female audience, you have to add something that will appeal to women (female leads don't seem to do that for action movies).

You're brave

[Jaxon5]

4 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

Not just MCU, you can say it is the whole Hollywood.  

Anyone but you will have turned a few heads.

[TalismanRing]

28 minutes ago, Kon said:

You're right that "WOMEN NEED A LOVE INTEREST" sounds as a sexist statement. However, it's true that a lot of female audience like romance.

 

Superhero movies are action movies, which is a genre that many women are not very interested. So, if you want to attract female audience, you have to add something that will appeal to women (female leads don't seem to do that for action movies).

 

Yet the female audience is 40%+ for MCU films.  The first Avengers was 50/50.  

 

Then again there was the great Steve/Tony doomed romance through out though they blew it in AEG - not letting them have their own moment at the end   They could have easily flipped that AOU Tony dream scene and it would have easily passed $4B.

 

Edited August 5 by TalismanRing

[titanic2187]

Just now, Jaxon5 said:

Anyone but you will have turned a few heads.

Yeah, only when they are clearly designed as a romance movie. And what happened? 67% audience are female. Ticket in Paradise got 71%.

[TalismanRing]

16 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

Not just MCU, you can say it is the whole Hollywood.  

 

Sad but true.  Romance with big R (not just comedies) is a side portion unless it's a tragic indie film because Romance is now only deemed important if someone is left extremely unfulfilled with a dead end life or dies.

Edited August 5 by TalismanRing

[ThomasNicole]

15 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

Not just MCU, you can say it is the whole Hollywood.  

People in love have sex, which is what Hollywood really is afraid of so they cut the whole thing and call it a day
 

Apparently even kisses now lol

[titanic2187]

1 minute ago, ThomasNicole said:

People in love have sex, which is what Hollywood really is afraid of so they cut the whole thing and call it a day
 

Apparently even kisses now lol

I thought only Muslim country censor kiss scene (Yes, kiss scene often got censored here in Malaysia or Indonesia, unless they are 18+), now Hollywood does the same? How is this progressive?

[toutvabien]

Just remembered Ant-Man and the Wasp was initially pitched/announced as a rom-com superhero film... yea.

[Madhuvan]

9 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:

People in love have sex, which is what Hollywood really is afraid of so they cut the whole thing and call it a day
 

Apparently even kisses now lol

Ye lol it's getting weird in media

 

Funny thing is Deadpool 1 was so romantic and after that we just have been drifting away to bromance more

[ThomasNicole]

1 minute ago, Madhuvan said:

Ye lol it's getting weird in media

 

Funny thing is Deadpool 1 was so romantic and after that we just have been drifting away to bromance more

The jokes in 1 and 2 was also way edgier too, they tone the whole thing down. It’s a kids movies for adults now, which at least payed off seeing the box office numbers.

[Kon]

6 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

 

Yet the female audience is 40%+ for MCU films.  The first Avengers was 50/50.  

 

Then again there was the great Steve/Tony doomed romance through out though they blew it in AEG - not letting them have their own moment at the end   They could have easily flipped that AOU Tony dream scene and it would have easily passed $4B.

 

There are other ways (not involving romance) to make an action/superhero movie attractive for female audience.

 

For example: Loki seems to be a pretty popular character between female audience in the first Avengers movie.

 

 

Curiously, many people thought female lead(s) could be a way to attract female fans to action movies, but it doesn't seem to work so much.

 

[ThomasNicole]

7 minutes ago, toutvabien said:

Just remembered Ant-Man and the Wasp was initially pitched/announced as a rom-com superhero film... yea.

This movie is SO mediocre and this seems like a consensus now … i still don’t understand how this got better reviews than Infinity War which is actually great

Edited August 5 by ThomasNicole

[Kon]

8 minutes ago, Madhuvan said:

Ye lol it's getting weird in media

 

Funny thing is Deadpool 1 was so romantic and after that we just have been drifting away to bromance more

Well, I've seen bromance being attractive for female audience too. So, I don't think focusing on that will necessarily reduce female audience interest.

 

That said, Deadpool & Wolverine seems to have a lower than average (for a MCU movie) amount of female audience.

Edited August 5 by Kon

[Mojoguy]

2 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:

The jokes in 1 and 2 was also way edgier too, they tone the whole thing down. It’s a kids movies for adults now, which at least payed off seeing the box office numbers.

I did find it funny how sex and nudity immediately stopped in DP2 and D&W after the first DP became a huge hit, and Deadpool himself became an A lister and household name. Almost like they stopped the sex in the sequels because they knew how many kids were watching and didn't want the parents getting angry.

[thajdikt]

5 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:

The jokes in 1 and 2 was also way edgier too, they tone the whole thing down. It’s a kids movies for adults now, which at least payed off seeing the box office numbers.

It got a harder rating in multiple countries than Deadpoool 1 and 2. So I wouldn’t say they toned the whole thing down. 

[John Marston]

Twisters seems to be the last straw. Seeing so many articles and complaints on social media about that. Not only should they have kissed but they should have leaned into the whole romance aspect more and probably had a damn love ballad or something. There are people (especially female audiences) who like that stuff and feel they are being underserved.

 

 

[ThomasNicole]

4 minutes ago, thajdikt said:

It got a harder rating in multiple countries than Deadpoool 1 and 2. So I wouldn’t say they toned the whole thing down. 

It’s not about the rating imo, it’s about what’s tolerable and what’s not when you know the movie isn’t exactly being watched by adults only.
 

Younger people also watch this movies with their parents. Parents seems to be relatively ok with cartoonish CGI blood all over the scenes and ironic sex jokes. It’s somewhat harmless culturally, so they just go hard in this aspect.
 

Actual sex scenes and edgier aggressive jokes otherwise is more likely to offend. I do think the jokes are really soft here compared to previous movies.

Edited August 5 by ThomasNicole

[wildphantom]

The Marvels failed as it required you watch a tv series that most of the audience hadn’t even seen yet.  It was the best example of how linking storylines in with television was a recipe for disaster.  

[Mojoguy]

4 minutes ago, wildphantom said:

The Marvels failed as it required you watch a tv series that most of the audience hadn’t even seen yet.  It was the best example of how linking storylines in with television was a recipe for disaster.  

Disney and SW is about to learn this hard painful lesson with the Mando and Baby Yoda movie. Large Portions of the audience won't be willing to do the homework of watching a 3 season show on a streaming service that they have to pay for just to understand a movie.