A Marvel Fanboy Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Just accept the fact that [sTiD: Nothing Went Wrong]. If people say so, then it must be so. It is a definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 If you look in context than STID did just fine OS so hope now is that the 3rd part can take the next step and hit about 350M OS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Having a big percent increase OS is much easier when you start at a low point than when you have already made big numbers, which is why STID's numbers are not very impressive. Taken in a vacuum or compared to bigger franchises, the STID numbers aren't good. When you compare them to other ST films, they're excellent (even taking into account market expansion and the like). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 No it hasn't, the first three Fast films made less than the 2009 Star Trek and the fourth made less than STID.Having a big percent increase OS is much easier when you start at a low point than when you have already made big numbers, which is why STID's numbers are not very impressive.Yeah you're right. Fast series used to be a poor performer overseas like Trek and has now increased to 500m without 3D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Taken in a vacuum or compared to bigger franchises, the STID numbers aren't good. When you compare them to other ST films, they're excellent (even taking into account market expansion and the like). You hit the nail on the head. Unlike Marvel or other franchises who were behemoth very quickly OS for Star:Trek it was been a long slow haul but my future expectation is that Star Trek will continue to get bigger and 3rd could hit 350M OS. Key is Latin America and Asia as they have potential for big grosses especially China which unexpectedly showed great potential for the sequel to STID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Taken in a vacuum or compared to bigger franchises, the STID numbers aren't good. When you compare them to other ST films, they're excellent (even taking into account market expansion and the like). When you take into account how the OS market is known to behave, it's not excellent, just ok. For films performing at this level sequels have been known to have similar or bigger increases than STID: RE3: 97M RE4: 236M Taken: 82M Taken 2: 236M An example of an excellent OS increase would be from Batman Begins 167M to TDK 470M, but STID increase was less than any of these so I wouldn't call it excellent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) Fake predicted 500m+ OS for STiD. Even most conservative people predicted 300m+. Nuff said. Pre-release, people said STiD would pull TDK OS. Now they deny it and insist that is not a good example at all. Edited July 18, 2013 by firedeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 When you take into account how the OS market is known to behave, it's not excellent, just ok. For films performing at this level sequels have been known to have similar or bigger increases than STID: RE3: 97M RE4: 236M Taken: 82M Taken 2: 236M An example of an excellent OS increase would be from Batman Begins 167M to TDK 470M, but STID increase was less than any of these so I wouldn't call it excellent. Again, you're not looking at the ST franchise as a whole. The first massive increase was ST09... STID was another increase -- not massive, but solid. You're talking about a franchise whose prior film grossed $20m OS total. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Fake predicted 500m+ OS for STiD. Even most conservative people predicted 300m+. Nuff said. Pre-release, people said STiD would pull TDK OS. Now they deny it and insist that is not a good example at all. I predicted 250M before it opened and almost everyone predicted more than that, and people argued that 300 or 400M+ is reasonable. If STID's gross is "excellent" then where were all these sub 200M predictions before it opened? Because I didn't see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Again, you're not looking at the ST franchise as a whole. The first massive increase was ST09... STID was another increase -- not massive, but solid. You're talking about a franchise whose prior film grossed $20m OS total. What Star Trek did before 2009 isn't relevant, those films had a very different scale and I doubt they got the kind of wide release and marketing push the modern Star Trek has. But even if you think it is, than that would make ST09 impressive, but that doesn't mean anything for STID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 I'll agree with you Tower that STID gross isn't excellent but it's a massive step in the right direction. In a sequel or 2, we could see it hit 350-400M OS which is bonafide blockbuster for a studio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Sequels grossing 100M+ more than the last installment from OS is normal, at best. Almost all sequels do that these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 If the next ST makes over 400M, then I will agree that it's impressive, but it might stall at the 300M or less range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Also dont forget that Paramount sucks when it comes to OS distribution. Give STID to Fox or Disney, I bet it could have crossed 400M OS, or 300M at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 What Star Trek did before 2009 isn't relevant, those films had a very different scale and I doubt they got the kind of wide release and marketing push the modern Star Trek has. But even if you think it is, than that would make ST09 impressive, but that doesn't mean anything for STID. How is it irrelevant? These last two films still had to overcome the "stigma" of the other Treks (especially since the last couple weren't even good films). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil in the Blank Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Star Trek has a stigma attached while these other films that you are discussing don't. Its simply not an apples to apples comparison my peeps! I personally predicted about 330M DOM and 250M OS for STID and it obviously did not reach that. It didn't live up to my expectations. It doesn't mean that STID did poorly just that my expectations were out of whack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Rock Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 STID although not failure definitely didn't matched the expectations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 How is it irrelevant? These last two films still had to overcome the "stigma" of the other Treks (especially since the last couple weren't even good films). It doesn't matter how good they were if nobody saw them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Star Trek Into Darkness is finishing out its overseas run with only three territories left to release in August. Argentina and Chile will see an August 15 release and the film is slated to open in japan on August 23. The sci-fi sequel has grossed $223.5 million outside of North America over 11 weekends, bringing its global total to $448.6 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 I predicted 250M OS so I am happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
