The Warner Bros. Thread | Will NOT merge with Paramount...capitalism is still terrible

[Napoleon]

27 minutes ago, dudalb said:

Gunn and Safran are happy they can  play their "His movie was greenlit and made under the previous management' Get Out Of Jail Free card for the WB Stockholders.

James Gunn was publicly promoting The Flash in a way that he didn't do for Shazam 2 (which was pretty much ignored by him), and now every article that's been written today about how bad the movie bombed at the opening weekend mentions him claiming it was "one of the best superhero movies ever made". Some people can start questioning his ability as president of DC Studios if what he considers to be one of the greatest of all time turned out to be DC's biggest box office bomb with a B cinemascore.

[excel1]

2 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

James Gunn was publicly promoting The Flash in a way that he didn't do for Shazam 2 (which was pretty much ignored by him), and now every article that's been written today about how bad the movie bombed at the opening weekend mentions him claiming it was "one of the best superhero movies ever made". Some people can start questioning his ability as president of DC Studios if what he considers to be one of the greatest of all time turned out to be DC's biggest box office bomb with a B cinemascore.

 

Gunn will point to GOTG3 and critic/fan reception of TSS and tell questioners to shut the fuck up.

 

I will say that if the botch the Superman cast, I will be on of the questioners. They need to realize that what is to come will be very different than what is behind them. 

Edited June 19, 2023 by excel1

[dudalb]

27 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

James Gunn was publicly promoting The Flash in a way that he didn't do for Shazam 2 (which was pretty much ignored by him), and now every article that's been written today about how bad the movie bombed at the opening weekend mentions him claiming it was "one of the best superhero movies ever made". Some people can start questioning his ability as president of DC Studios if what he considers to be one of the greatest of all time turned out to be DC's biggest box office bomb with a B cinemascore.

Shazam 2 cost a lot more money and was sort of written off early on. The FLash was too big to just  give up on.

Sort of like how Disney did try bput a major selling effort into X Men Dark Phoneix but let the New Mutants die without much of an effort. Phoenix cost too much to let it just go down. but Nutants cost next to nothing and was disposable.

 

 

 

 

[poweranimals]

I really like hearing this from James Gunn:

 

 

[WittyUsername]

21 minutes ago, dudalb said:

Shazam 2 cost a lot more money and was sort of written off early on. The FLash was too big to just  give up on.

Sort of like how Disney did try bput a major selling effort into X Men Dark Phoneix but let the New Mutants die without much of an effort. Phoenix cost too much to let it just go down. but Nutants cost next to nothing and was disposable.

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure it didn’t. 

[TMP]

1 hour ago, WittyUsername said:

Pretty sure it didn’t. 

Zach levi got a big salary!

[Dominic Draper]

2 hours ago, excel1 said:

 

Gunn will point to GOTG3 and critic/fan reception of TSS and tell questioners to shut the fuck up.

 

I will say that if the botch the Superman cast, I will be on of the questioners. They need to realize that what is to come will be very different than what is behind them. 

Gunn doesn't have a single box office success he's directed outside of the MCU.

 

He's really in no position to tell anyone to shut up.

[dudalb]

1 hour ago, WittyUsername said:

Pretty sure it didn’t. 

Highest I have seen is Shazam 2 cost 125 millin..some put iat less.

Flash cost 200 Millioin.

ANyway, it is clear the DC decided to ,make a major effort to save The FLash, but did not for Shazam 2.

 

[excel1]

Shazam cost to brand equity is not minor. It reinforces the perception of low quality.

[dudalb]

20 minutes ago, Dominic Draper said:

Gunn doesn't have a single box office success he's directed outside of the MCU.

 

He's really in no position to tell anyone to shut up.

You know you might have just started a fanwar with that.....Me I liked the GOTG films, I liked His Suicide Squad, but don't think he is a infallible god who cannot fail. I dont' get why fans need somebody to worship, frankly.

[dudalb]

1 minute ago, excel1 said:

Shazam cost to brand equity is not minor. It reinforces the perception of low quality.

That makes no sense.

But it's lcear that DC decided not to make a big effort to save Shazam 2.

[21C]

1 hour ago, Dominic Draper said:

Gunn doesn't have a single box office success he's directed outside of the MCU.

 

He's really in no position to tell anyone to shut up.

The Guardians are like half of his filmography and like 10 years of his life so this is a pretty dumb "gotcha" lmfao They're also the only PG-13 films he's done, which clearly show he's able to tap into that 4-quadrant demographic fairly well, hence there's good reason to think he'll do it again with Superman. It's only when he gets R-rated that you could argue he starts getting into a more niche demographic (tho again, TSS comes with about a hundred asterisks)

Edited June 19, 2023 by 21C

[dudalb]

16 minutes ago, 21C said:

The Guardians are like half of his filmography and like 10 years of his life so this is a pretty dumb "gotcha" lmfao They're also the only PG-13 films he's done, which clearly show he's able to tap into that 4-quadrant demographic fairly well, hence there's good reason to think he'll do it again with Superman. It's only when he gets R-rated that you could argue he starts getting into a more niche demographic (tho again, TSS comes with about a hundred asterisks)

Deadpool is about the only Comic Book Franchise that suceeded with a R rating.

[Dominic Draper]

55 minutes ago, 21C said:

The Guardians are like half of his filmography and like 10 years of his life so this is a pretty dumb "gotcha" lmfao They're also the only PG-13 films he's done, which clearly show he's able to tap into that 4-quadrant demographic fairly well, hence there's good reason to think he'll do it again with Superman. It's only when he gets R-rated that you could argue he starts getting into a more niche demographic (tho again, TSS comes with about a hundred asterisks)

Considering his first film post mcu success bombed and didn't connect with audiences, its not a dumb gotcha.

 

The MCU is littered with examples of success inside the MCU doesn't translate to outside it.

 

Gunn is unproven outside the MCU machine. He's 0/3.

 

All the success Jon Watts and the Russos etc had with the MCU doesn't mean anything outside it. Nor does it for Gunn until he proves otherwise.

[excel1]

1 hour ago, dudalb said:

That makes no sense.

 

It absolutely makes sense. The media sees yet another poorly reviewed flop among the DCEU lineup and the image of that of a struggling, directionless company is further reinforced and future projects are now faced with even more skepticism and viewed through a stronger, more nitpicky lens by many.

[poweranimals]

23 minutes ago, excel1 said:

 

It absolutely makes sense. The media sees yet another poorly reviewed flop among the DCEU lineup and the image of that of a struggling, directionless company is further reinforced and future projects are now faced with even more skepticism and viewed through a stronger, more nitpicky lens by many.

Yet they'd perfectly aware that the current regime had nothing to do with recent output.

[Belakor]

What a mess the DC brand is now, in 10 years they've made 15 movies and only 3 of them have been successful (The Batman, Aquaman, Wonder woman).

At this point they should just push the hand brake and let Matt develop his Batman Universe without adding more saturation with more mediocre/bad movies (Brave and the bold, new Superman, etc.).

 

 

[clockwork]

The Flash movie simply was not poised for success, too much going on behind the scenes and Ezra Miller (as an actor and as the Flash character) not being all that popular with general audiences. It all culminated in just a general lack of interest for the movie, there was very little WB could have done to make this more successful.

 

Lucky (or unlucky?) for Zaslav the movie was already in motion before he stepped into WB, so there wasn't much he could have done to change its course. I guess it's all up to James Gunn and Matt Reeves to keep the DC theatrical brand alive.

Edited June 19, 2023 by clockwork

[ListenHunnyUrOver]

1 hour ago, Belakor said:

What a mess the DC brand is now, in 10 years they've made 15 movies and only 3 of them have been successful (The Batman, Aquaman, Wonder woman).

At this point they should just push the hand brake and let Matt develop his Batman Universe without adding more saturation with more mediocre/bad movies (Brave and the bold, new Superman, etc.).

 

 

 

It’s actually shocking that they managed to bungle it THIS badly. It’s time for a HARD reboot. The Snyderverse was a fad that’s not even useful for nostalgia anymore. 

[TerwillikerInst]

:Edit: Sorry, double-posted by mistake.

 

 

Edited June 19, 2023 by TerwillikerInst