hw64 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, Cookson said: Could it also be because it's not the summer time? The 4th and 5th highest-grossing films of all time in China were released in September and December last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peludo Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, Cookson said: Could it also be because it's not the summer time? And extreme competition within few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 and changed exchange rates,... a relatively little reason in comparison to WOM, but I prefer the bigger picture, that includes at least a few mosaic stones too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 18 minutes ago, peludo said: And extreme competition within few days. Comp isn't a big factor. If it had good WOM than 200M would be on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peludo Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, druv10 Maul said: Comp isn't a big factor. If it had good WOM than 200M would be on the table. Sure. But to lose lots of theatres do not help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 15 minutes ago, druv10 Maul said: Comp isn't a big factor. If it had good WOM than 200M would be on the table. Competiton getting the screens doesn't help. WOM is the start, but like in those cases typical (IMHO) it's a bot of a spiral, makes the impact of the competition bigger,.. you'll get the drift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTUS 2020 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 53 minutes ago, TigerPaw said: WOM on weibo is getting from mixed to really quite bad now. Fans are saying its a copy of Ep4, non-fans seem to be unamazed and many of them claimed they fell asleep in the theaters. Gewara is still holding up an 8/10. Monday drops will be interesting to see, because if the weekday drops are huge, we don't even need to wait for KFP3 because local films and lack of showtimes might already put a limit to its box office potential. Lol. I fell asleep in 77 when I was 12. I must have been Chinese in a past life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kswiston Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 42 minutes ago, Elessar said: I dunno, ask someone who knows Chinese box office better. Spectre opened to something like $45M in 3-days and failed to make double that. It's not that uncommon. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbingchan Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) 38 minutes ago, kswiston said: Spectre opened to something like $45M in 3-days and failed to make double that. It's not that uncommon. EP7 is similar to Spectre in many ways.It's too nostalgic and old fashion.Many people are confused and some even fall asleep.cinema score is very low. EP7 8.1 SP 7.9 (the lowest recently MJ2 7.5).Thus,it is not strange that EP7 fail to reach $150M.$100~130M is more possible. Edited January 10, 2016 by bangbingchan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTUS 2020 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 T5 MI5 JW SW7 Day Yuab Daily % +/- Last Week Tot Yuan $Tot Yuan Daily % +/- Last Week Tot Yuan $Tot Yuan Daily % +/- Last Week Tot Yuan $Tot Yuan Daily % +/- Last Week Tot Yuan $Tot Tues 117 117 18 Wed 79 -32% 196 31 109 109 18 Thur 65 -18% 261 41 80 -27% 189 30 Fri 76 17% 337 53 101 26% 290 47 14 14 2 Sat 128 68% 465 73 170 68% 460 74 193 207 32 Sun 167 167 26 88 -31% 553 87 146 -14% 606 98 136 -30% 343 52 Mon 67 -60% 234 37 30 -66% 583 92 53 -64% 659 106 55 -60% Est 398 61 Tues 57 -15% 291 46 25 -17% -79% 608 96 49 -8% 708 114 48 -12% Proj 446 68 Wed 47 -18% 338 53 23 -8% -71% 631 99 43 -12% -61% 751 121 42 -12% 489 75 Thur 37 -21% 375 59 20 -13% -69% 651 103 35 -19% -56% 786 127 37 -12% 526 80 Fri 38 3% 413 65 28 40% -63% 679 107 46 31% -54% 832 134 50 34% 576 88 Sat 62 64% 475 75 50 79% -61% 729 115 97 111% -43% 929 150 87 74% -55% 663 101 Sun 52 -17% -69% 527 83 40 -20% -55% 769 121 98 1% -33% 1027 166 60 -31% -56% 723 110 Mon 21 -59% -69% 548 86 14 -66% -55% 783 123 66 -33% 25% 1093 176 23.0 -62% -58% 746 114 Tue 17 -17% -69% 566 89 12.7 -7% -49% 795 125 24 -64% -51% 1117 180 20.2 -12% -58% 766 117 Wed 21 18% -56% 586 92 11.5 -9% -50% 807 127 22 -8% -49% 1139 184 17.7 -12% -58% 784 120 Thu 36 72% -4% 622 97 10.4 -10% -48% 817 129 21 -5% -40% 1160 187 15.5 -12% -58% 799 122 Fri 34 -3% -9% 656 103 5.2 -50% -81% 822 129 22 5% -52% 1182 191 21.0 35% 820 125 Sat 24 -31% -62% 680 107 11.0 112% -78% 833 131 40 82% -59% 1222 197 36.5 74% -58% 857 131 Sun 12 -48% -76% 692 108 8.5 -23% -79% 842 132 36 -10% -63% 1258 203 25.5 -30% -58% 882 135 Mon 8.5 -30% -60% 700 110 4.3 -49% -68% 846 133 16.0 -56% -76% 1274 205 10.0 -61% -57% 892 136 Tue 2.7 -68% -85% 703 110 4.4 2% -65% 851 134 17.4 9% -28% 1291 208 8.8 -12% -56% 901 138 Wed 2.6 -3% -87% 706 111 1.2 -73% -90% 852 134 15.4 -11% -30% 1307 211 7.7 -13% -56% 909 139 Thu 2.5 -4% -93% 708 111 2.5 108% -76% 854 135 12.0 -22% -43% 1319 213 6.8 -12% -56% 916 140 Tot 724 114 Tot 870 137 Tot 1400 229 Tot 983 150 Mon presales are 12.2m. It should fall between 4-5 times. 50-60m. I put down 55m. Mon drop can very on how old/young it skews. 60% is ok for this type of movie. More importantly will be the daily drops thru Thu. 12% average per day is average, above 15% is not good, below 10% is good, flat is huge. For this type of movie we usually see about a 35% and 75% jump on Fri and Sat if it doesn't lose too many screens to competition. Its possible to get to 150m but with the WOM that's been stated, then a few 15%+ drops this week and too much theater loss next weekend will knock it down to MI5 levels 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 BoxOffice @BoxOffice GLOBAL REPORT: 'The Force Awakens' Becomes #3 All-Time Highest Grossing Film Worldwide But Fails To Breakout In... http://fb.me/4agCIfNHs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hw64 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 27 minutes ago, terrestrial said: BoxOffice @BoxOffice GLOBAL REPORT: 'The Force Awakens' Becomes #3 All-Time Highest Grossing Film Worldwide But Fails To Breakout In... http://fb.me/4agCIfNHs Seems like not every news site is in Disney's pocket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 1 minute ago, hw64 said: Seems like not every news site is in Disney's pocket. I am thinking it's not only Disney with their formulation, before that DL did an article with mistakes and too early est. and ... I think other outlets picked up out of that too. I repeatedly posted tweets of @ChinaBoxOffice he/they/??? seem to be somehow connected to BO.com = I guess that's how they get a bit better insight than some others seemingly have. But The Good Olive as repeatedly better (or faster than them too), so I guess we are blessed to have him and a few others here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTUS 2020 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Cookson said: How does a 53m 2 DAY opening not equal more than 150m total in china? That's just odd to me... WOM spreads quickly, good and bad. The fanbase hype pulled in the 53m, bad WOM in the GA could cause it drop 70%+ next werkend 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annayya Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) 31 minutes ago, No Prisoners said: WOM spreads quickly, good and bad. The fanbase hype pulled in the 53m, bad WOM in the GA could cause it drop 70%+ next werkend Excellent. Glad to hear that Star Wars will do poorly in China. I just don't understand what's so good about this movie that people in USA, Canada, UK are crazy about. Now, if somehow it doesn't beat the Titanic Worldwide Gross I will be happier. There's no way it can reach Avatar anyway at the current rate its declining at most world markets including domestic. Edited January 10, 2016 by Annayya 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 To be glad a fan's whatever (movie, sportsteam,...) position will be secure for a time is one thing, but that is, what I will never comprehend. To be 'glad' about a movie 'doing poorly' for the sake of a position in an IMHO absolut unimportant ranking / chart... Me, I am happy for each cent any movie makes ww, as long as the movie does not promote intolerance and ignorance, pushes to violence against minorities or.... you'll get the drift. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonstersandRoy Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Annayya said: Excellent. Glad to hear that Star Wars will do poorly in China. I just don't understand what's so good about this movie that people in USA, Canada, UK are crazy about. Good for you. I could say that about nearly half of the current all time top 20. It's good to see a movie with such critical success having such commercial success. Edited January 11, 2016 by MonstersandRoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vc2002 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 7 hours ago, Dan9 said: So in a market where Furious 7 and Transformers 4 are the biggest Hollywood movies, SW7 isn't going to do well because of a lacklustre plot? Lol Actually nostalgia helped SW7 in the US as much as it did for F7 and TF4 in China. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrstickball Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Annayya said: Excellent. Glad to hear that Star Wars will do poorly in China. I just don't understand what's so good about this movie that people in USA, Canada, UK are crazy about. Now, if somehow it doesn't beat the Titanic Worldwide Gross I will be happier. There's no way it can reach Avatar anyway at the current rate its declining at most world markets including domestic. If you're willing to listen to an American's perspective on why Star Wars (especially this one) is so loved: Star Wars was the first great movie that was aimed towards a demographic of teens and adults, especially males. It spawned a trilogy of movies, which was extremely well-received, and was arguably the first to do so without a huge drop-off of quality (Godfather). The movie spawned a LOT of other things off - novels, video games (KOTOR is arguably one of the best ever made), as well as a massive toy/merchandise empire of which no movie has ever rivaled. TFA alone will bring in $5 billion in toy/merchandising rights, which dwarfs the box office run it has. You then take the story that ended in 1984, and announce that its coming back with all of the old major characters.. The original actors, the original puppets, everything. Finally, it releases and is arguably as good as most people wanted in a series that was a continuation of the original (whereas the Prequels were an unfathomable letdown).. That is why its so well received. Its a cultural phenomenon that is hard to explain if you didn't grow up around the franchise for the past 4 decades. One day, China will have its own great unique movie series and universe that one could equivocate it to in terms of size and scope of its notoriety, but there are very few in movie history that one can compare it to, so its hard to "Get" when you're being plunged into the series, as opposed to watching the movies dozens of times growing up, and having to live through what were bad prequels (which if you look at IMDB ratings, you can see they were very disliked, whereas the consensus is that TFA towers above them, although is not as good as ANH or ESB). In the end, a lot of people in the west that had access to movies grew up with the series since the 1970s... This is also why its doing well in Japan, since the movies were featured prominently over there as well ($60m and likely to surpass $100m in a market that has been down for years). Hopefully that explains it as best as possible. Edited January 11, 2016 by Mrstickball 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numble Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Can someone explain how Maoyan works? I guess Gewara only shows tickets bought through its service, but Maoyan is tracking more than that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...