fabiopazzo2 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 @bangbingchan What you expect OW for Guardian Vol 2 and Pirates 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peludo Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 44 minutes ago, pepsa said: But in population its divided by 4 to get to 350M people, so it still only equals a 100M opening .. But GDP per capita in China is about 6-7 times lower than in US so, since tickets are 50% lower, the effort of one person to buy a ticket is 3-3.5 times higher in China than in US... I think we can continue this until end of time. I leave my initial position and let's say it is a record opening in China 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenN18 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 I thought FF8 would gross over $200 million in China OW? A lot of people thought $250 million was virtually locked, so I guess it's under-performed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetmasters Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 33 minutes ago, StephenN18 said: I thought FF8 would gross over $200 million in China OW? A lot of people thought $250 million was virtually locked, so I guess it's under-performed. Under performed? You must be joking. Since when is $190m+ opening weekend ever been considered under performing? The $200m+ are all predictions based on presales. Not a big deal not breaking the record because there is always next time. Only the SW fanboys or FF haters are happy this didnt break the record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenN18 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 It made $180 million OW back in 2015, so I thought it would do a lot more than $200 million. Didn't it have higher presales? I never said it did badly, it's done amazing, but not as much as everyone was expecting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peludo Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 37 minutes ago, StephenN18 said: It made $180 million OW back in 2015, so I thought it would do a lot more than $200 million. Didn't it have higher presales? I never said it did badly, it's done amazing, but not as much as everyone was expecting. That is not correct. F7 opened on Sunday and it did $63.5m during that OD. And during the next 7 days it grossed another $182m, which I guess is the amount you are referring to (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=CH&id=fast7.htm). It is impossible to compare one opening to the other. By the second Sunday (8 days), F7 was, more or less, at 1.5b Yuan ($246m multiplied by 6.2, which was the ER by April 2015). F8 will have reached that amount tomorrow (after 4 days), or Tuesday (5 days). Probably some of us got excited too much with initial presales about beating SW OW record outside US, but 190-195m is a brutal record, no matters how you look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiangsen Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 48 minutes ago, StephenN18 said: It made $180 million OW back in 2015, so I thought it would do a lot more than $200 million. Didn't it have higher presales? I never said it did badly, it's done amazing, but not as much as everyone was expecting. Not sure where you got that $180M number from. F7 opened on a Sunday so maybe that's the total from Monday through the following Sunday? $195M in 3 days for F8 is definitely not an underperformance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2k Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Surreal. This is exactly the same debate about TA2's 191 ow after TA1's 207. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP1025 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 4 hours ago, bangbingchan said: Avetar is totally another level blockbuster. Another planet level.If it do release in the future,it should try $1bn.$1bn or in total.I Don't know How huge it can be. That would be amazing if China had a film reach $1 billion before the U.S. Avatar 2 probably won't be released until 2020 minimum, so that bodes well for it as the market continues to expand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, a2knet said: Surreal. This is exactly the same debate about TA2's 191 ow after TA1's 207. Some people did loose their jobs after Ultron release thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2k Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Just now, Barnack said: Some people did loose their jobs after Ultron release thought. Were they hired by Universal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, a2knet said: Were they hired by Universal? I don't know, http://screenrant.com/marvel-studios-creative-committee/ http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/09/02/the-marvel-creative-committee-is-over That group would have probably achieved to stay in place and in charge longer if they would have continued to show Disney growth (or at least meet the set expectation). Edited April 16, 2017 by Barnack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze Heatnix Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 AOU was one of these weird cases that we can't explain. It had a lot of things going for it ( great reception from the first movie, word of mouth about MCU, zero competition ). It went on to open a little smaller, and it finished with a considerable drop domestic at least. It also had mediocre domestic legs. Oh, and it wasn't a good movie like the first Avengers. So, there's that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepsa Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 4 hours ago, peludo said: But GDP per capita in China is about 6-7 times lower than in US so, since tickets are 50% lower, the effort of one person to buy a ticket is 3-3.5 times higher in China than in US... I think we can continue this until end of time. I leave my initial position and let's say it is a record opening in China Yeah you are totaly right, compairing China and Dom is near imposble with so many arguments for both sides. Like you said this is an amazing opening en astonishing numbers for FF8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2k Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 51 minutes ago, Blaze Heatnix said: AOU was one of these weird cases that we can't explain. It had a lot of things going for it ( great reception from the first movie, word of mouth about MCU, zero competition ). It went on to open a little smaller, and it finished with a considerable drop domestic at least. It also had mediocre domestic legs. Oh, and it wasn't a good movie like the first Avengers. So, there's that. Reminded me of Potter 1 and 2 to a degree. 1st one did 90 ow and reached saturation, 2nd one did a bit less with 88 and had worse legs. However, Potter2 ended 17.5% behind Potter1 while TA2 ended 36% behind TA1. That's what makes it look so bad. (Incidentally, Lost World also ended 36% behind Jurassic Park. Spiderman2 ended only 7% behind Spiderman1) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepsa Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 2 hours ago, jetmasters said: Under performed? You must be joking. Since when is $190m+ opening weekend ever been considered under performing? The $200m+ are all predictions based on presales. Not a big deal not breaking the record because there is always next time. Only the SW fanboys or FF haters are happy this didnt break the record. Nah, i am happy it didn't break 242M OW, just because i want it to be broken by something special, a Chinese movie, or a suprise hit like zootopia. Because lets be honest, FF or Avatar or TF beating the record would be amazing but still kind of expected in the long run. I am just hoping for something more unique, or Lotr movie cause long live lotr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattW Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 4 hours ago, StephenN18 said: I thought FF8 would gross over $200 million in China OW? A lot of people thought $250 million was virtually locked, so I guess it's under-performed. Those were very very reasonable ex ante guesses based on presale:admissions ratios of the most recent big hollywood movies in china. Fast8 is an outlier as far as that metric goes so I wouldn't hold it against the movie that it didnt meet those predictions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTUS 2020 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, pepsa said: But in population its divided by 4 to get to 350M people, so it still only equals a 100M opening .. 50%~ of the population is rural, low wage and not close to multiplexes. The movie going population draws from about 750m people, about double Dom and with half the half the. 5 hours ago, StephenN18 said: I thought FF8 would gross over $200 million in China OW? A lot of people thought $250 million was virtually locked, so I guess it's under-performed. We thought 200m was locked and 250 possible based on PS. With a 2:15 run time causing 1 less show per screen per day caused an overestimation. Also PS sellouts preventing walkups caused the PS multi to be the lowest ever for a HLWD movie. It went to into new territory and all models went awry on the last day. Hell, even Maoyan couldnt get the same day projections right. We have a good idea what to anticipate for TF5 now should PS hit similar levels.. April will up more than 50% from last year. 10-20% over 2015 Edited April 17, 2017 by POTUS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbingchan Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, fabiopazzo2 said: @bangbingchan What you expect OW for Guardian Vol 2 and Pirates 5? GotG2 400-500M ow, between Xxx and Kong this year. It will be interested to see GotG2 OW. its impact on FF8 and its own performance .AoU never met FF7 in 2015.FF6 hit by Pacific Rim in 2nd weekend.Let's wait and see. Pirates 5 not sure yet 500M is on the floor imo.600M?it depends on buzz and wom.Pirates 4 once was No.3 in 2011.FF5 was No.10.Six years is a long time.FF franchise is totally different now.There is Dragon Boat Holiday right behind Pirates 5.That's benefits for Captain Jack to stay Top5 this year. PS:Alien:Covenant will release in May too. Edited April 17, 2017 by bangbingchan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momo Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 4 28 minutes ago, bangbingchan said: GotG2 400-500M ow, between Xxx and Kong this year. It will be interested to see GotG2 OW. its impact on FF8 and its own performance .AoU never met FF7 in 2015.FF6 hit by Pacific Rim in 2nd weekend.Let's wait and see. Pirates 5 not sure yet 500M is on the floor imo.600M?it depends on buzz and wom.Pirates 4 once was No.3 in 2011.FF5 was No.10.Six years is a long time.FF franchise is totally different now.There is Dragon Boat Holiday right behind Pirates 5.That's benefits for Captain Jack to stay Top5 this year. PS:Alien:Covenant will release in May too. 400M WW or in China? Because the first GOTG only made 87M total in China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...