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Do not use this thread for discussion.

Right now you just need to pay attention to one thread: Part 1, that is stickied.

You can maybe have one thread dedicated to Clubs like this-in other words, each club will not be getting it's own thread.

This isn't a series but a pilot which was expensive and only aired due to try and recover some of the cost but:Mockingbird Lane: B+

I have considered the unreliable narrator as an excuse for the ending. In fact, part of my problem with the ending is that he saw a loop with no options to get out of it when there was. Having an unreliable narrator doesn't excuse shoddy storytelling. And in his narration at the end, Joe very much seems to indicate that the reason the kid becomes the Rainmaker is because Old Joe shoots his mother. In fact, that's the whole point of the cycle that he speaks of.

You seem to fail to get my point entirely: my problem really isn't with the time travel problems. It isn't with the believability meter. It's with the basic story itself. When the movie states that the reason the Rainman rose to power in the first place is one reason but that reason couldn't have existed in the first place without the time travel, then that's when you have a problem with the actual core of the story.Strip away the entire time travel that occurred during the movie: why did the Rainman rise to power? According to the movie, it's because his mom was killed by a looper from the future. And yet that looper was killed when he came back the first time instantly. So no, this isn't a question about time travel paradoxes. This is a question on: did this movie even pay attention to earlier pages of the script?

So let me get this straight:You state that the story is there and that's why it's greatThe time travel is a huge part of the storyBut I can't analyze the time travel?And my problem with this movie isn't so much as the time travel but the actual story. Then why don't they just kill the loopers and set their houses on fire? Or make it look like a murder-suicide kind of situation? And a mutilated Seth wouldn't cause any time paradoxes? I'm referring that Young Joe remembers everything that happened. He knows what's up. He'll have remembered that the young kid is the Rainmaker and he'll remember what went wrong. I'm not talking about Old Joe here-I'm talking about Young Joe because he's the one who can easily break this so-called loop by doing a million tings. Old Joe's memory might be a fog because he never met the kid in his timeline. Young Joe will because he did meet the kid in his timeline. That's not what I meant and you know it. The ending was talking about the cycle of what creates the Rainmaker and what causes Joe to eventually want revenge. That's the "loop" the ending was trying to create. How did he become the Rainmaker in one of the loops? The movie's explanation doesn't hold up-and not it's not because it's a tough pill to swallow. This isn't a time paradox at all-this is literally just impossible. I'm glad the movie clicked with you and you can defend it all you want-but this is what happens:Timeline A:Young Joe kills Old JoeRainmaker rises to powerOld Joe is found, wife accidentally killedOld Joe goes back in time and creates:Timeline B:Old Joe stops Young Joe from killing himOld Joe finds RainmakerExplanation for Rainmaker's rise: Old Joe killed Rainmaker's motherYoung Joe kills himself as he sees a cycleOh wait, that can't be why the Rainmaker rose in tImeline A. It simply can't because there is no Old Joe. This isn't a time paradox issue at all since the time travel to create this paradox hasn't happened. And even so it isn't a paradox. It is literally just shoddy storytelling.

AMC's best show is the Walking Dead? Sorry Emmy-winning Mad Men and what is actually AMC's best show: Breaking Bad.

Timeline A: This is the original timeline. In this timeline, Joe kills his older self and lives his thirty years. In this time, he goes to China and meets his wife. The Rainmaker's crime organization finds him and kills his wife. They send him back in time (what they do with the wife's body is unexplained even though they've stated it's impossible to get rid of the body in the future-heck that's the whole purpose of the film). So he goes back time to cause Timeline B Timeline B: The events of the movie. Joe decides to find the Rainmaker in order to avenge his wife. He hunts down two kids. Meanwhile Present Joe finds one of the houses and starts to bond with the future Rainmaker. Joe is able to find the Rainmaker but circumstances dictate that the kid's mother is in the way. This would "create a loop" in which the kid, seeing his mom killed, apparently becomes the Rainmaker. Present Joe kills himself in order to stop Joe. This does create the question of why his best friend wasn't killed by the mob rather than them cutting off his body parts and such but okay. So there's this loop right and you think the film did something good. Oh wait, it makes no fucking sense. First: Joe remembers all the events. That means that even if he chooses to recreate the events up to the point where he comes back in time, he now knows who the kid is and where he is. This means he doesn't have to print a map that his younger version can find. He can knock out his past self, go to the farmhouse, and kill the kid before his present self even wakes up. This supposedly sends him back to the present or saves the life of his wife. Heck, he can chose to find the kid and mentor him in a way that he doesn't become evil. There's literally an infinite ways that Present Joe can act that killing himself becomes a stupid option. It isn't a loop because there's too much he can do differently. Second: Timeline B creates a "loop", right? Actually no. Timeline B's events don't make any sense in Timeline A. Why does the Rainmaker rise in Timeline A? It can't be because his mom was killed by a former looper-because that looper died in this timeline when he went through. There is NO LOOP. The ending therefore doesn't make any sense, doesn't explain the events of Timeline A, and leaves huge plot holes. So there isn't any loop. The big ending where he sacrifices himself feels empty and void because logic dictates that it literally makes no sense. Heck, the entire movie starts to fall apart when you start to analyze it critically and logically. Yes, it's a fun movie to watch-but it's certainly not the brilliant film some members seem to think. B-

Except he did check out. How then did he check out?

When's the deadline?

The third episode was mostly good buuuut....what the hell? He's in the Russian mafia as a captain? How did that happen?Also, for a deserted island, it's awfully populated.

Wow that Halloween episode was way too busy. There were like 8 different plots.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, has been able to adapt Wonder Woman in live action format. They keep trying and they keep failing. Turns out Hollywood doesn't know how to write for her.

They should get Joss Whedon to direct it.

I'm almost done with my super-secret Year 5 film.

I do agree that Season 3 has picked up so far...but the second episode did have moments where it dragged.

I'm hoping he becomes this show's version of T-dog from the Walking Dead. He appears but he has no lines.

'Cause among all the mediocrity, there's some pretty bad-ass moments that make it all worth it.

Vegas and Elementary are getting a full season.

For the record, the son isn't the one helping the terrorists. (I think the son also appeared in the season premiere)

CBS was the first network to cancel a show this season and there's doubt Vegas will come back for a second season. Last season, A Gifted Man, NYC 222, and CSI: Miami got cancelled. There's doubt CSI: NY will make it another season, along with Hawaii Five-O and The Good Wife. CBS cancels shows all the time, just look at Jericho, a show they cancelled twice.There's a chance we won't get a full season. While it didn't bomb, it's doing way less than the ABC average and the network has enough shows for mid season that they're in a situation where they can cancel some fall dramas. It depends on whether Nashville can stay above a 2.0 I believe.

You're not alone in your theory. We don't know for sure if Brody had slipped him the razor or if it was somebody else but I think we can now rule out Saul. The scene definably did set up that idea that Saul might have done it and I imagine that's because the writers hadn't decided whether he was a mole or not. I guess they decided against it.

The X Factor is getting a third season (along with Homeland)Arrow is getting a full season

You forget that this show is completely fucking with your expectations.(I do see an alternative where they convince Brody to act as a double agent)