How HV sales used to turn big box office hits into massive box office GIANTS

[BK007]

Just look at Hot Pursuit and Unfriended on that link. THAT IS WHAT I MEAN. Look at the whole line.

 

No idea what you are talking about. 

[terrestrial]

Read both posts again,,then you should understand

 

in short = not finished, look it up later again (0.5 - 2 days after their first update). Could be already done, still miight see some changes later on.

 

Read also their description how they handle the numbers for the resalers who do not report their sales numbers.

 

Be more patinet, read more exact,.... the usual

Edited September 7, 2015 by terrestrial

[langer]

I understand BK's point.  This doesn't bothers me too much, but it adds up to uncertainty of these charts. 

[terrestrial]

I understand BK's point.  This doesn't bothers me too much, but it adds up to uncertainty of these charts. 

I understand him too, but once you realise their system (or get it explained) I do not see it as a problem  If you see my first entries here I had also to learn that then.    

 

I worked many many years in a kind of supporting the entertainment industry capacity.

A lot of artists / artistic people end in such kind of general supporting / connected businesses too, and a lot of those do not tend to work like what I'd call logical/structured, so maybe I am more used to... let's say atypical, slightly ~ confusing work-flows. I am math and similar based in general, if I'd do their website I definitivly would chose another system.

 

BOM has the possibility to 'hide' their updates till they are finished I think, maybe the software The-Numbers uses (or the people teaching the people doing the work arent't aware) doesn't allow that?

See when they are updating BO.... it looks to me like steop-done = step published, each number updated immediatly to see.

 

Maybe they should add a comment / a line like the South Korean website for BO does for the income that happens late in the night?

example for that: - Due to collection period and processing time, the statistics collected after midnight will be updated until the morning of the following day.

Like: the chart is only finished if... this or that is .... whatever mark they could chose  

[langer]

Future sequels (up to 2017) that could boost movies to reach certain milestones (100M$+)

 

Toy Story 3 : 250M$ combined sales, 200M$ DVD sales

Despicable Me : 300M$ combined sales, 200M$ DVD sales, 100M$ Blu Ray sales

Despicable Me 2 : 250M$ combined sales

The Dark Knight : 300M$ DVD sales

The Dark Knight rises : 100M$ Blu Ray sales

X-Men : The Last Stand : 150M$ combined sales, 150M$ DVD sales

The Hunger Games : 150M$ DVD sales

Hotel Transylvania : 100M$ combined sales

Skyfall : 100M$ combined sales

Star Trek : 200M$ combined sales,  100M$ Blu Ray sales

Star Trek into Darkness : 100M$ combined sales

Pirates of the Carribean : On strager Tides : 100M$ combined sales

[terrestrial]

We haven't had a chart here since quiet some time, but to support Langers list, see how Minions pushed Despicable Me 1 & 2 back into the charts... or the Insurgent (spelling?) Divergent

I even think F4 helped a bit X-Men DoFP

 

 

United States Combined DVD and Blu-ray Sales Chart for Week Ending August 9, 2015

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Chart Index

Rank	Title	Units this Week	Total Units	Spending this Week	Total Spending	Weeks
1	Insurgent	870,530	870,530	$14,103,540	$14,103,540	3	Buy
2	Home	425,695	1,604,222	$7,508,885	$29,949,240	7	Buy
3	The Divergent Series Double Feature	125,498	125,498	$2,883,182	$2,883,182	1	Buy
4	Descendants	118,566	186,643	$1,761,891	$2,777,600	2	Buy
5	Do You Believe?	102,106	102,106	$1,468,303	$1,468,303	1	Buy
6	The Longest Ride	75,649	950,304	$1,214,738	$15,957,593	4	Buy
7	Divergent	40,964	3,529,106	$462,466	$57,588,561	53	Buy
8	Paul Blart: Mall Cop 2	40,218	567,298	$700,056	$10,408,638	6	Buy
9	Blomkamp3 Limited Edition Collection	38,653	41,714	$1,274,685	$1,375,626	8	Buy
10	Get Hard	37,275	1,050,360	$678,775	$19,123,114	9	Buy
11	American Sniper	31,558	3,229,810	$482,115	$56,677,798	12	Buy
12	Justice League: Gods and Monsters	30,724	119,901	$460,229	$1,838,680	2	Buy
13	Despicable Me 2	29,232	13,750,216	$328,634	$236,514,030	87	Buy
14	Kingsman: The Secret Service	28,944	1,500,660	$466,563	$24,289,492	13	Buy
15	X-Men Days of Future Past	28,606	3,292,065	$327,774	$69,788,139	43	Buy
16	Ex Machina	25,121	341,873	$386,898	$5,383,071	7	Buy
17	Despicable Me	22,578	17,651,354	$225,027	$267,565,710	243	Buy
18	Despicable Me 2: 3 Mini-Movie Collection	22,577	294,464	$109,088	$1,149,688	22	Buy
19	Jupiter Ascending	22,149	841,186	$357,714	$17,694,948	14	Buy
20	Chappie	21,848	609,518	$289,869	$10,441,274	11	Buy
21	Fifty Shades of Grey	20,976	2,970,424	$245,557	$53,188,360	15	Buy
22	Interstellar	19,439	1,906,912	$235,867	$34,296,062	21	Buy
23	The Water Diviner	18,559	64,435	$276,906	$961,399	5	Buy
24	Wild Horses	17,386	174,133	$200,044	$1,909,921	3	Buy
25	Last Knights	16,144	255,321	$186,225	$2,885,085	6	Buy
26	Woman in Gold	15,802	177,878	$220,131	$2,673,939	7	Buy
27	John Wick	14,295	1,162,634	$152,456	$18,876,243	27	Buy
28	The Hunger Games	14,253	13,628,228	$108,614	$217,198,539	156	Buy
29	Rush	14,241	576,592	$337,047	$10,899,246	80	Buy
30	Mary Poppins	14,045	8,312,531	$228,103	$171,887,331	907	Buy

 

[langer]

DOFP was boosted by the release of the Rogue Cut by the way. 

 

Some sequels manage to give a 10-20M$ boost to the previous movies during the course of the theatrical releases and the subsequent HV release.  Some sequels only manage a sub 1M$ boost.  Ice Age movies receive poor boosts for example, while Despicable Me movies are notorious for being steady sellers and receiving interesting boost by sequels. 

 

I'm also interested to see what will happen to Avatar and Frozen, but that's far down the road.  Also curious to see if the Harry Potter spinoff will generate sales of previous HP movies. 

[terrestrial]

DOFP was boosted by the release of the Rogue Cut by the way. 

 

Some sequels manage to give a 10-20M$ boost to the previous movies during the course of the theatrical releases and the subsequent HV release.  Some sequels only manage a sub 1M$ boost.  Ice Age movies receive poor boosts for example, while Despicable Me movies are notorious for being steady sellers and receiving interesting boost by sequels. 

 

I'm also interested to see what will happen to Avatar and Frozen, but that's far down the road.  Also curious to see if the Harry Potter spinoff will generate sales of previous HP movies. 

I know, but I think, see above, it got help a bit by F4 too = the buzz in the back of the mind/brain, seeing the DVD/Blu-Ray, remembering the buzz about cut out Rogue...  At that time F4 was just getting released, I am guessing the advertising for F4 hinted at X-Men too (I haven't seen it). I am also guessing the Rogue release was planed to be around F4s release

 

I also think some movies get a higher boosts based on if the earlier movie was for the general audience or more for genre fans.

If it was more for genre fans (or mostly known to genre fans at the time of release) it seems to get better DVD/Blu-Ray sells as sometimes even the probably even more successful in the cinema 2nd part, if that one got released to an aware of it audience.

As in, people who do not find someone to accompany them to the cinema will probably more likly buy later the DVD as one group of buyers and general audience who tried out the more buzzing / accepted 2nd part get curious about psrt 1 too.

[langer]

Your guess is as good as mine,  but Fox probably wanted to use F4 marketing to push the Rogue Cut even if F4 bombed big time. 

[terrestrial]

Agree, only meant Rogue and a bit F4 not only one reason. Maybe even hoping Rogue and the remembering of DoFP might improve 1% or 2%... F4s OW.

 

Is reciprocation the correct term?

[langer]

No idea,  English is also my 2nd language. \

 

Edit: I see what you mean.  It looks like Fox wanted this at first when they started saying that F4 would be in the same universe as X-Men, but they ended up changing their minds.  I'd say synergy was the proper term. 

Edited September 7, 2015 by langer

[Jim Shorts]

Each Despicable Me movie came with free movie bucks towards Minions. Buy a DVD/BD for $5-7.50 and get $7-10 towards Minions. No brained IMO to buy the movies if you don't have them already and still watch Minions. Partial explanation for sequel related boosts. I've seen it offered for almost every big blockbuster sequel.

[terrestrial]

No idea,  English is also my 2nd language. \

 

Edit: I see what you mean.  It looks like Fox wanted this at first when they started saying that F4 would be in the same universe as X-Men, but they ended up changing their minds.  I'd say synergy was the proper term. 

I'd love to give a 2nd like for the edit  

 

interplay

interaction...

are also to find in my dictionary,

supporting each other...

 

funnyly synergy is not listed there (I do know the term in connection with keyboard/mouse - pcs software)

 

I think we are on the same page

[CJohn]

The Numbers is the best thing we have for homevideo sales. 

[RobinHood26]

Never understood why they made streaming available first. 

 

You'd think you'd have them be exclusively hard copy for a month before VOD at least for the major releases. 

[CJohn]

The homevideo sales are in the absolute shitter. Interstellar made 30M with Bluray and DVD combined lmao. Kingsman just 24M. 

[terrestrial]

United States Combined DVD and Blu-ray Sales Chart for Week Ending August 16, 2015

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Chart Index

Rank	Title	Units this Week	Total Units	Spending this Week	Total Spending	Weeks
1	Insurgent	302,994	1,173,524	$4,846,331	$18,949,871	4	Buy
2	Home	280,380	1,884,602	$4,985,766	$34,935,005	8	Buy
3	Hot Pursuit	264,978	264,978	$4,708,198	$4,708,198	3	Buy
4	Unfriended	100,091	100,091	$1,728,122	$1,728,122	3	Buy
5	Descendants	93,960	280,603	$1,395,306	$4,172,906	3	Buy
6	The Divergent Series Double Feature	82,608	208,106	$1,897,838	$4,781,020	2	Buy
7	Do You Believe?	68,771	170,877	$1,030,304	$2,498,607	2	Buy
8	The Longest Ride	66,102	1,016,407	$1,069,157	$17,026,750	5	Buy
9	Get Hard	56,811	1,107,171	$768,565	$19,891,679	10	Buy
10	Northmen - A Viking Saga	56,769	56,769	$617,905	$617,905	3	Buy
11	Police Story: Lockdown	56,357	56,357	$508,268	$508,268	1	Buy
12	Despicable Me 2: 3 Mini-Movie Collection	45,090	339,554	$215,494	$1,365,182	23	Buy
13	Despicable Me 2	42,082	13,792,298	$484,988	$236,999,018	88	Buy
14	Despicable Me Presents: Minion Madness	40,466	203,136	$222,563	$1,746,734	162	Buy
15	Space Jam	38,664	624,765	$208,868	$2,945,014	962	Buy
16	Kingsman: The Secret Service	35,077	1,535,737	$577,901	$24,867,394	14	Buy
17	X-Men Days of Future Past	33,376	3,325,441	$377,346	$70,165,485	44	Buy
18	American Sniper	33,115	3,262,925	$559,905	$57,237,703	13	Buy
19	The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies	31,485	2,864,249	$475,030	$60,160,530	21	Buy
20	Despicable Me	31,457	17,682,811	$350,918	$267,916,628	244	Buy
21	Jupiter Ascending	28,263	869,449	$544,535	$18,239,482	15	Buy
22	Big Hero 6	27,644	4,979,183	$516,587	$89,276,850	28	Buy
23	Fifty Shades of Grey	27,351	2,997,775	$319,891	$53,508,252	16	Buy
24	Ex Machina	26,108	367,981	$398,355	$5,781,425	8	Buy
25	Interstellar	24,237	1,931,149	$291,658	$34,587,720	22	Buy
26	Divergent	23,335	3,552,441	$251,210	$57,839,771	54	Buy
27	Justice League: Gods and Monsters	22,408	142,308	$311,858	$2,150,538	3	Buy
28	Paul Blart: Mall Cop 2	20,135	587,433	$367,709	$10,776,347	7	Buy
29	The Goonies	18,885	4,487,639	$91,074	$35,757,412	730	Buy
30	Teen Beach Movie 2	18,212	287,463	$267,170	$4,257,924	8	Buy

 

[kowhite]

Never understood why they made streaming available first. 

 

You'd think you'd have them be exclusively hard copy for a month before VOD at least for the major releases.

They're not VOD first, they're electronic sell through. VOD is rental. Why that first?

Well, the margins are better I imagine that's why. They'd rather you buy it digitally.

[kowhite]

The homevideo sales are in the absolute shitter. Interstellar made 30M with Bluray and DVD combined lmao. Kingsman just 24M.

Yeah, if your movie isn't called Frozen...it's all worse.

[The Futurist]

Yeah, if your movie isn't called Frozen...it's all worse.

 

Yep, looks like Frozen will be the last remnant of a dying era ...