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kowhite Global Phenomenon

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Scorcese's last few aren't as good as his best, but they show passion. Come on.

Ok, maybe not George fucking Miller directing Fury fucking Road...

But not all old guys have that passion. This ain't George Lucas though.

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Talent alone is not enough

 

Cameron made The Abyss, passion project that is plagued by production problems .Even though the CGI is ground breaking, the 2 leads put up a very strong performances, and the action is still Cameron at his best, but the movie suffers from a rather bland, preachy, anti-climactic 3rd act. 

 

Michael Mann did Blackhat. This is the guy who did Heat, Collateral, Miami Vice Series, Manhunter, Last of the Mohicans, Insider. What could go wrong? 

Some people are just semi-retired. And they probably took some project for mind exercise or to keep themselves busy.

 

Scorsese never made a boring  movie. But his last few ones: Gangs of New York, Aviator, Wolf of Wall St, and especially Departed, do not contain his passion for filmmaking he showed in Goodfellas, Raging Bull or Taxi Driver.

 

Who runs Skydance again? Viacom which owns Paramount has a new CEO, a lawyer, since 2006 when Sumner Redstone stepped down.

Did you just shit on the third act of The Abyss?

You did not just shit on the third act of The Abyss.

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vc2002 Summer Tentpole

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One thing that kind of ticks me off at times is when people say that there was no effort put into the film.  Even if the film doesn't turn out well, (as Tele says), I know there was a lot of effort put in by everyone.  

 

I have worked on two films, one as an actor, and one behind the scenes, doing PA work, and I have been a PA on about a dozen commercials filmed in Toronto.  As an actor on a $10,000 budgeted film, I was there for 14 hours a day at times.  I watched the directors and the crew work hard and work long and they gave it everything they had.  As a PA on commercials, the ones that are 30 seconds long, I would sometimes spend 16 hours a day on the set.  No one mailed it in.  There was a budget, time constraints, daylight issues and so on.  

 

To say people don't try is ludicrous.  It might not turn out beautifully, but one thing about the film/tv industry is that there isn't a lot of half assed efforts imo.

 

I agree with you but the thing is, most of the time you get judged by the outcome, not the process, particularly in the entertainment business that it's hard to quantifiy the quality of a product. People have a strong habit of connecting an unsatifying product with not trying hard enough.

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AniNate Global Phenomenon

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I agree with you but the thing is, most of the time you get judged by the outcome, not the process, particularly in the entertainment business. People have a strong habit of connecting an unsatifying product with not trying hard enough.

 

You will never convince me that Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer are actually trying to be funny

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TalismanRing Global Phenomenon

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Taylor himself said that he was given complete freedom with Thor 2 while shooting and was then kicked out of the editing room and they reshot a lot of material (my guess is that he planned to keep Loki dead, among other things Marvel later changed). When that happens the film just isn't his anymore. I'm sure TS was a better situation but the studio not telling him how they were going to show the whole twist of his movie in marketing seems like it wasn't smooth sailing with this one either.

I'm with Tele on this-- he might be good for film, he might be bad, it's kind of hard to tell between two entirely producer-led franchise films.

 

TS might explain why he was kicked out of the editing room and there were re-shoots.  :ph34r: 

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Scorcese's last few aren't as good as his best, but they show passion. Come on.

Ok, maybe not George fucking Miller directing Fury fucking Road...

But not all old guys have that passion. This ain't George Lucas though.

 

Yes, yes, Scorsese's Aviator, Gangs of NY, and Wolf are good to very good (Departed is OK) when compared to his best, or even to his minor masterpieces like Casino.  What I am saying is even the great ones have hiccups. T5 is made by a committee not a guy with a singular vision. The cast & crew of T5 are without their fearless leader. Movies need fearless, visionary mad genius to work, to inspire. I wouldn't want to work under James Cameron. But you can tell he is a driven, relentless, mad visionary even in his later days. CGI-fest Avatar still kicks ass. 

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kowhite Global Phenomenon

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Yes, yes, Scorsese's Aviator, Gangs of NY, and Wolf are good to very good (Departed is OK) when compared to his best, or even to his minor masterpieces like Casino.  What I am saying is even the great ones have hiccups. T5 is made by a committee not a guy with a singular vision. The cast & crew of T5 are without their fearless leader. Movies need fearless, visionary mad genius to work, to inspire. I wouldn't want to work under James Cameron. But you can tell he is a driven, relentless, mad visionary even in his later days. CGI-fest Avatar still kicks ass.

What can I say..

Agreed. Completely.

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kowhite Global Phenomenon

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I meant that one, lol. Come on seriously The Abyss is pretty good until the 3rd act, theatrical cut or the other cut

But the rest is so good.

Directors cut ending is...an ok conclusion to great filmmaking. Not great...but ok.

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