Weekend Estimates: Kong 61M, Logan 37.8M, Get Out 21M, Shack 10M, Lego Batman 7.8M

[Eevin]

2 minutes ago, Nova said:

BvS should have been made for $5M! Nothing more and nothing less! 

Not my point. What I was trying to say is that a $5m, well-reviewed horror film can be just as successful as a crappy $250m superhero franchise-starter, yet more of the latter are probably going to be made.

[Barnack]

13 hours ago, John Marston said:

 

 

movies like Gangs of New York and The Aviator had 100m budgets and didn't double it worldwide. Hugo apparently cost up to 170m and I don't think it even past 200m worldwide 

 

2002 to 2006 was a bit of a different era for Hollywood, probably it's most profitable one, with 2004 being the peak:

 

 

Even thought the box office was much smaller than now, the industry was not smaller globally, back then doubling your budget was not a rules of thumb about making money or not, but entering the zone of being a big success, some movie made their money back while doing 1.4 time their budget in theater during the Dvd bubble era. It is a bit dangerous to look at movie performance without taking the era into account, the Aviator probably made good money.

 

In 2004 movie made a bigger share of the box office the first weeks, didn't have any market with a 25% return like China today and most of all, the risk was really small because of how well movie did after theatrical were 68% of the movie industry revenue was made, theater was a bit of a publicity for the next windows, studio's were spending more releasing movie in theater than what they were making from tickets at that time.

 

13 hours ago, Jonwo said:

 

Marty has delivered enough hits and clout to have a flop once in a while, studios are willing to bet on him in the same way Clint Eastwood had three back to back flops but bounced back with American Sniper and Sully. Paramount can swallow a flop like Silence which they only distributed since it was independently funded if Marty gives them another hit like Shutter Island

 

 

 

I'm not so sure studios are willing to bet on him that much, like you said they didn't fund Silence, it took him 20 year's to find financing outside studios. It was never easy for him, but post-Hugo (that just lost too much money) is studio career would have been even harder. He also independently funded Wolf of Wall street and it turned to be financier linked to organized crime, corruption and so on, apparently because studios do not give him that much freedom and he didn't wanted to have to deal with them during production, and they didn't gave him final cut either when they distribute is big movies like Wolf, he often had to pay out of is own pocket to do some reshoot he wanted in the past, etc... he didn't seem to have a good relationship.

 

I'm not surprised at all he went to work on Netflix, they will be happy just to have a big Scorsese movie and give him total freedom.

 

Eastwood is maybe the fastest worker out there with very reasonable price tag, he has the longest relationship with a studio in history with Warner Brothers and J Edgar, Hereafter, Invictus still all doubled their budget, not exactly the same situation.

[grey ghost]

10 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

 

Because there is absolutely nothing to be learned.

 

WB could've called BvS, "Black Man vs Super Crazy White PPL".

 

220 m OW 

[PPZVGOS]

4 minutes ago, Nova said:

BvS should have been made for $5M! Nothing more and nothing less! 

 

Yeah! Would the production values suffer at all if the budget was reduced by $245m? Would any corners need to be cut? If anything the reduced budget would have added to the grittiness and overall grounded character of the movie.

 

Box-office success and cult status guaranteed! 

[Nova]

2 minutes ago, Eevin said:

Not my point. What I was trying to say is that a $5m, well-reviewed horror film can be just as successful as a crappy $250m superhero franchise-starter, yet more of the latter are probably going to be made.

Of course but my argument to that is that it's hard to do what Jordan Peele did. I do think horror movies are a smart investment especially if you look at how well they did last year but a film like Get Out isn't going to be coming out every year and not because they're not funded but because it's not easy to make a movie like Get Out.

[Maxmoser3]

2 minutes ago, PPZVGOS said:

 

Star power has been almost dead for a long time now. Even the biggest names can only succeed with the right franchise/IP/big-budget fair. 

 

The era of films like An Officer and a Gentleman, Rainman, Basic Instict, Forrest Gump, The Bodyguard, Pretty Woman, Liar Liar etc is very long gone. 

Those films had appealing premises though. An Officer and a Gentleman was an appealing adult R-rated romantic drama with some war related stuff added with Richard Gere attracting the female audience after American Gigolo did modest business in 1980. 

 

Rain Man was word of mouth and pairing Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman was a great idea for 1988! 

 

Basic Instinct was a big stiffie, Michael Douglas was in the 80's and somewhat in the 90's popular with women and was right after Fatal Attraction made a killing, it was a perfect time for Michael Douglas and using an attractive actress like Sharon Stone was a winner! Other films couldn't replace that afterwards, the erotic thriller was pretty much dead after that when Madonna tried it, and then Sharon Stone twice in 1993 and the sequel in 2006. 

 

Gump was something for a summer that featured two tv show adapted films, Schwarzenegger, The Circle Of Life, Axel Foley getting the ax, Jack Ryan still kicked ass, and a finale to an actor who was gone too soon with a film that could've started his career as a big star. Forest Gump was something for the adult audiences who didn't care about the circle of life, or any other of the above stuff, they wanted to see an adult-oriented movie that had memorable stuff such as the Vietnam war, Lieutant Dan, Jenny, and Bubba.

 

Pretty Woman was successful not because of the Roy Orbison song of the same name. But because it was a perfect adult date movie when the kiddies had TMNT '90, or were tired of Driving Miss Daisy in the first half of 1990. The concept and word of mouth also brought people into the film as well.

 

The Bodyguard was successful because of its soundtrack, and was also appealing to the female crowd and women thanks to something that wasn't in the Holiday season of 1992, which action fans had the holdover of Under Siege, Passenger 57. Horror fans had Bram Stoker's Dracula, and families had Home Alone 2. So it was perfect for The Bodyguard to be put in there.

 

Liar Liar was a comedy that had a silly interesting what if? Concept that audiences were intrigued by, after Jim Carrey had a misfire with The Cable Guy(which was an ok movie). It did great, and also there weren't any real comedies in the first half of 1997 except Howard Stern's Private Parts which also came out  the same month as Liar Liar.

[Barnack]

5 minutes ago, Eevin said:

Not my point. What I was trying to say is that a $5m, well-reviewed horror film can be just as successful as a crappy $250m superhero franchise-starter, yet more of the latter are probably going to be made.

 

That is already the case, much more small horror movies are made than giant superheroes movies, it has been year's that horror is considered the most commercial genre for theater ticket sales and they are doing a tons of them.

 

2016 horror output:

The Boy	Jan 22, 2016	STX Entertainment	PG-13	$35,819,556	$35,819,556
Southbound	Feb 5, 2016	The Orchard	R	$205,048	$205,048
The Pack	Feb 5, 2016	IFC Midnight	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Final Project	Feb 12, 2016	CAVU Releasing	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Witch	Feb 19, 2016	A24	R	$25,138,705	$25,138,705
The Other Side of the Door	Mar 4, 2016	20th Century Fox	R	$3,000,342	$3,000,342
Ava’s Possessions	Mar 4, 2016	Momentum Pictures	R	$0	$0
Bleed	Mar 25, 2016	Gravitas Ventures	Not Rated	$0	$0
Baskin	Mar 25, 2016	IFC Midnight	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Channel	Apr 8, 2016	Indican Pictures	Not Rated	$18,319	$18,319
The Dead Room	Apr 8, 2016	IFC Midnight		$0	$0
Green Room	Apr 15, 2016	A24	R	$3,220,371	$3,220,371
Bite	May 6, 2016	Shout! Factory	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Offering	May 6, 2016	Momentum Pictures	Not Rated	$0	$0
1920 London	May 6, 2016	Reliance Entertainment	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Darkness	May 13, 2016	High Top Releasing	PG-13	$10,753,574	$10,753,574
Sorgenfri	May 13, 2016	IFC Midnight	Not Rated	$0	$0
Most Likely to Die	May 13, 2016		Not Rated	$0	$0
Another	Jun 6, 2016	Epic Pictures Group	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Conjuring 2: The Enfield Pol…	Jun 10, 2016	Warner Bros.	R	$102,470,008	$102,470,008
Clown	Jun 17, 2016	Dimension Pictures	R	$55,007	$55,007
The Neon Demon	Jun 24, 2016	Broad Green Pictures	R	$1,333,124	$1,333,124
The Purge: Election Year	Jul 1, 2016	Universal	R	$79,042,440	$79,042,440
Satanic	Jul 1, 2016	Magnolia Pictures	R	$252	$252
Lights Out	Jul 22, 2016	Warner Bros.	PG-13	$67,268,835	$67,268,835
Busanhaeng	Jul 22, 2016	Well Go USA	Not Rated	$2,129,768	$2,129,768
The Childhood of a Leader	Jul 22, 2016	IFC Films	Not Rated	$0	$0
Viral	Jul 29, 2016	Weinstein Co.	R	$0	$0
The Mind’s Eye	Aug 5, 2016	RLJ Entertainment	Not Rated	$0	$0
Don’t Breathe	Aug 26, 2016	Sony Pictures	R	$89,217,875	$89,217,875
Daylight’s End	Aug 26, 2016	Self Distributed		$0	$0
31	Sep 1, 2016	Saban Films	R	$779,820	$779,820
Antibirth	Sep 2, 2016	IFC Midnight	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Disappointments Room	Sep 9, 2016	Relativity	R	$2,423,467	$2,423,467
Demon	Sep 9, 2016	The Orchard	R	$104,039	$104,039
Happy Birthday!	Sep 9, 2016	Orion Pictures	R	$0	$0
Before I Wake	Sep 9, 2016	Relativity	PG-13	$0	$0
Blair Witch	Sep 16, 2016	Lionsgate	R	$20,777,061	$20,777,061
The Devil’s Dolls	Sep 16, 2016	IFC Films	Not Rated	$0	$0
ClownTown	Sep 30, 2016	ITN		$0	$0
Phantasm: Ravager	Oct 4, 2016	Well Go USA	Not Rated	$0	$0
Under the Shadow	Oct 7, 2016	Vertical Entertainment	PG-13	$28,884	$28,884
The Alchemist Cookbook	Oct 7, 2016	Oscilloscope Pictures	Not Rated	$0	$0
Jack Goes Home	Oct 14, 2016	Momentum Pictures	R	$0	$0
Ouija: Origin of Evil	Oct 21, 2016	Universal	PG-13	$35,144,505	$35,144,505
Recovery	Oct 27, 2016	Orion Pictures	R	$0	$0
The Fiancé	Nov 11, 2016	Indican Pictures	Not Rated	$22,282	$22,282
The Monster	Nov 11, 2016	A24	R	$12,544	$12,544
Evolution	Nov 25, 2016	IFC Midnight	Not Rated	$23,538	$23,538
The Eyes of My Mother	Dec 2, 2016	Magnolia Pictures	R	$27,099	$27,099
The Ghosts of Johnson Woods	Dec 2, 2016	Driving With Our Ey…	Not Rated	$2,335	$2,335
SiREN	Dec 2, 2016	Chiller Films	Not Rated	$0	$0
Duelist	Dec 2, 2016	Sony Pictures	R	$0	$0
Beyond the Gates	Dec 9, 2016	IFC Midnight	Not Rated	$0	$0
Abattoir	Dec 9, 2016	Momentum Pictures	R	$0	$0
City of Dead Men	Dec 16, 2016	Gravitas Ventures	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Autopsy of Jane Doe	Dec 21, 2016	IFC Films	R	$0	$0

 

2016 giant superheroes movies:

BvS

Civil War

X-men Apocalypse

Suicide Squad

Doctor strange

 

That is 61 horror movies versus 5 superheroes, they were already trying to do more than one horror movie by week in theater, the difference is that most of them end up direct to dvd, we just have the best in mind those who end up being successful in theater, while we remember every big superheroes movie because they do not have the luxury on only wide releasing and putting marketing effort on the best one.

 

Green Room/It follow/The Witch were some of the best reviewed horror movie, they didn't came close to be the success of Get Out, Don't Breath or split, it is far from being automatic.

 

[PenguinHyphy]

4 minutes ago, Eevin said:

I'd argue that only The Rock, Melissa McCarthy, Kevin Hart, Denzel Washington and Jennifer Lawrence can legitimately say that they have star power. It's a dying breed.

 

Sandra Bullock still has star power, but notice that all of those actors are American actors. I think that the reason why it appears that star power is over is because Hollywood keeps putting foreign actors in lead roles, and American audiences are just not into them. Michael Fassbender and Thor keep bombing outside of any movie that is not a superhero movie for a reason. 

[franfar]

Just now, Maxmoser3 said:

Those films had appealing premises though. An Officer and a Gentleman was an appealing adult R-rated romantic drama with some war related stuff added with Richard Gere attracting the female audience after American Gigolo did modest business in 1980. 

 

Rain Man was word of mouth and pairing Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman was a great idea for 1988! 

 

Basic Instinct was a big stiffie, Michael Douglas was in the 80's and somewhat in the 90's popular with women and was right after Fatal Attraction made a killing, it was a perfect time for Michael Douglas and using an attractive actress like Sharon Stone was a winner! Other films couldn't replace that afterwards, the erotic thriller was pretty much dead after that when Madonna tried it, and then Sharon Stone twice in 1993 and the sequel in 2006. 

 

Gump was something for a summer that featured two tv show adapted films, Schwarzenegger, The Circle Of Life, Axel Foley getting the ax, Jack Ryan still kicked ass, and a finale to an actor who was gone too soon with a film that could've started his career as a big star. Forest Gump was something for the adult audiences who didn't care about the circle of life, or any other of the above stuff, they wanted to see an adult-oriented movie that had memorable stuff such as the Vietnam war, Lieutant Dan, Jenny, and Bubba.

 

Pretty Woman was successful not because of the Roy Orbison song of the same name. But because it was a perfect adult date movie when the kiddies had TMNT '90, or were tired of Driving Miss Daisy in the first half of 1990. The concept and word of mouth also brought people into the film as well.

 

The Bodyguard was successful because of its soundtrack, and was also appealing to the female crowd and women thanks to something that wasn't in the Holiday season of 1992, which action fans had the holdover of Under Siege, Passenger 57. Horror fans had Bram Stoker's Dracula, and families had Home Alone 2. So it was perfect for The Bodyguard to be put in there.

 

Liar Liar was a comedy that had a silly interesting what if? Concept that audiences were intrigued by, after Jim Carrey had a misfire with The Cable Guy(which was an ok movie). It did great, and also there weren't any real comedies in the first half of 1997 except Howard Stern's Private Parts which also came out  the same month as Liar Liar.

They still wouldn't have done those eye popping DOM #s nowadays. Yes, they were interesting, but there's a competition for eyeballs nowadays, and those wouldn't have been exciting enough for today's audiences

[franfar]

Just now, PenguinHyphy said:

 

Sandra Bullock still has star power, but notice that all of those actors are American actors. I think that the reason why it appears that star power is over is because Hollywood keeps putting foreign actors in lead roles, and American audiences are just not into them. Michael Fassbender and Thor keep bombing outside of any movie that is not a superhero movie for a reason. 

Probably bc they're not in the most appealing/mainstream movies.

[Eevin]

15 minutes ago, Nova said:

Of course but my argument to that is that it's hard to do what Jordan Peele did. I do think horror movies are a smart investment especially if you look at how well they did last year but a film like Get Out isn't going to be coming out every year and not because they're not funded but because it's not easy to make a movie like Get Out.

It's hard to make any movie. And I'm not saying studios should spend less on films like BvS (@The Futurist, @PPZVGOS and anyone else who misread the context of my post), I'm saying they should spend more on films like Get Out. 

Edited March 12, 2017 by Eevin

[Arlborn]

21 minutes ago, Eevin said:

Not my point. What I was trying to say is that a $5m, well-reviewed horror film can be just as successful as a crappy $250m superhero franchise-starter, yet more of the latter are probably going to be made.

 

 

Hey, you're talking about BOT's 22nd best movie of 2016, show some respect!

 

 

 

Edited March 12, 2017 by Arlborn

[Alli]

1 minute ago, PenguinHyphy said:

 

Sandra Bullock still has star power, but notice that all of those actors are American actors. I think that the reason why it appears that star power is over is because Hollywood keeps putting foreign actors in lead roles, and American audiences are just not into them. Michael Fassbender and Thor keep bombing outside of any movie that is not a superhero movie for a reason. 

Yeah i agree. American audience have no idea who those actors are.     But look, Tom Hiddleston just starred in a hit. Curious what kind of offers he gets now

[WrathOfHan]

Just now, Arlborn said:

 

 

Hey, you're talking about BOT's 21th best movie of 2016, show some respect!

 

 

 

Uh, that's STB  

[Eevin]

3 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

That is already the case, much more small horror movies are made than giant superheroes movies, it has been year's that horror is considered the most commercial genre for theater ticket sales and they are doing a tons of them.

 

2016 horror output:

The Boy	Jan 22, 2016	STX Entertainment	PG-13	$35,819,556	$35,819,556
Southbound	Feb 5, 2016	The Orchard	R	$205,048	$205,048
The Pack	Feb 5, 2016	IFC Midnight	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Final Project	Feb 12, 2016	CAVU Releasing	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Witch	Feb 19, 2016	A24	R	$25,138,705	$25,138,705
The Other Side of the Door	Mar 4, 2016	20th Century Fox	R	$3,000,342	$3,000,342
Ava’s Possessions	Mar 4, 2016	Momentum Pictures	R	$0	$0
Bleed	Mar 25, 2016	Gravitas Ventures	Not Rated	$0	$0
Baskin	Mar 25, 2016	IFC Midnight	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Channel	Apr 8, 2016	Indican Pictures	Not Rated	$18,319	$18,319
The Dead Room	Apr 8, 2016	IFC Midnight		$0	$0
Green Room	Apr 15, 2016	A24	R	$3,220,371	$3,220,371
Bite	May 6, 2016	Shout! Factory	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Offering	May 6, 2016	Momentum Pictures	Not Rated	$0	$0
1920 London	May 6, 2016	Reliance Entertainment	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Darkness	May 13, 2016	High Top Releasing	PG-13	$10,753,574	$10,753,574
Sorgenfri	May 13, 2016	IFC Midnight	Not Rated	$0	$0
Most Likely to Die	May 13, 2016		Not Rated	$0	$0
Another	Jun 6, 2016	Epic Pictures Group	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Conjuring 2: The Enfield Pol…	Jun 10, 2016	Warner Bros.	R	$102,470,008	$102,470,008
Clown	Jun 17, 2016	Dimension Pictures	R	$55,007	$55,007
The Neon Demon	Jun 24, 2016	Broad Green Pictures	R	$1,333,124	$1,333,124
The Purge: Election Year	Jul 1, 2016	Universal	R	$79,042,440	$79,042,440
Satanic	Jul 1, 2016	Magnolia Pictures	R	$252	$252
Lights Out	Jul 22, 2016	Warner Bros.	PG-13	$67,268,835	$67,268,835
Busanhaeng	Jul 22, 2016	Well Go USA	Not Rated	$2,129,768	$2,129,768
The Childhood of a Leader	Jul 22, 2016	IFC Films	Not Rated	$0	$0
Viral	Jul 29, 2016	Weinstein Co.	R	$0	$0
The Mind’s Eye	Aug 5, 2016	RLJ Entertainment	Not Rated	$0	$0
Don’t Breathe	Aug 26, 2016	Sony Pictures	R	$89,217,875	$89,217,875
Daylight’s End	Aug 26, 2016	Self Distributed		$0	$0
31	Sep 1, 2016	Saban Films	R	$779,820	$779,820
Antibirth	Sep 2, 2016	IFC Midnight	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Disappointments Room	Sep 9, 2016	Relativity	R	$2,423,467	$2,423,467
Demon	Sep 9, 2016	The Orchard	R	$104,039	$104,039
Happy Birthday!	Sep 9, 2016	Orion Pictures	R	$0	$0
Before I Wake	Sep 9, 2016	Relativity	PG-13	$0	$0
Blair Witch	Sep 16, 2016	Lionsgate	R	$20,777,061	$20,777,061
The Devil’s Dolls	Sep 16, 2016	IFC Films	Not Rated	$0	$0
ClownTown	Sep 30, 2016	ITN		$0	$0
Phantasm: Ravager	Oct 4, 2016	Well Go USA	Not Rated	$0	$0
Under the Shadow	Oct 7, 2016	Vertical Entertainment	PG-13	$28,884	$28,884
The Alchemist Cookbook	Oct 7, 2016	Oscilloscope Pictures	Not Rated	$0	$0
Jack Goes Home	Oct 14, 2016	Momentum Pictures	R	$0	$0
Ouija: Origin of Evil	Oct 21, 2016	Universal	PG-13	$35,144,505	$35,144,505
Recovery	Oct 27, 2016	Orion Pictures	R	$0	$0
The Fiancé	Nov 11, 2016	Indican Pictures	Not Rated	$22,282	$22,282
The Monster	Nov 11, 2016	A24	R	$12,544	$12,544
Evolution	Nov 25, 2016	IFC Midnight	Not Rated	$23,538	$23,538
The Eyes of My Mother	Dec 2, 2016	Magnolia Pictures	R	$27,099	$27,099
The Ghosts of Johnson Woods	Dec 2, 2016	Driving With Our Ey…	Not Rated	$2,335	$2,335
SiREN	Dec 2, 2016	Chiller Films	Not Rated	$0	$0
Duelist	Dec 2, 2016	Sony Pictures	R	$0	$0
Beyond the Gates	Dec 9, 2016	IFC Midnight	Not Rated	$0	$0
Abattoir	Dec 9, 2016	Momentum Pictures	R	$0	$0
City of Dead Men	Dec 16, 2016	Gravitas Ventures	Not Rated	$0	$0
The Autopsy of Jane Doe	Dec 21, 2016	IFC Films	R	$0	$0

 

2016 giant superheroes movies:

BvS

Civil War

X-men Apocalypse

Suicide Squad

Doctor strange

 

That is 61 horror movies versus 5 superheroes, they were already trying to do more than one horror movie by week in theater, the difference is that most of them end up direct to dvd, we just have the best in mind those who end up being successful in theater, while we remember every big superheroes movie because they do not have the luxury on only wide releasing and putting marketing effort on the best one.

 

Green Room/It follow/The Witch were some of the best reviewed horror movie, they didn't came close to be the success of Get Out, Don't Breath or split, it is far from being automatic.

 

Yes, but I'm speaking more in terms of major studio-financed releases. And not just horror films and superhero films, but franchise releases vs smaller, more challenging releases.

[grey ghost]

It took almost 100 years for something to replace star power in Hollywood but franchise films finally did it. 

[Arlborn]

3 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:

Uh, that's STB  

 

Oh right, I had forgotten about that non-academy winner movie, fixed.

 

Spoiler

 

[grey ghost]

5 minutes ago, Eevin said:

It's hard to make any movie. And I'm not saying studios should spend less on films like BvS (@The Futurist, @PPZVGOS and anyone else who misread the context of my post), I'm saying they should spend more on films like Get Out. 

 

I don't know about them, but I was just joking around. 

[Eevin]

2 minutes ago, grey ghost said:

 

I don't know about them, but I was just joking around. 

Hence why I didn't mention you in my post 

[grey ghost]

8 minutes ago, Alli said:

Yeah i agree. American audience have no idea who those actors are.     But look, Tom Hiddleston just starred in a hit. Curious what kind of offers he gets now

 

Hmm, I wonder if the whole Taylor Swift fling was Loki plotting his way to the A-list.