KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON | 10.20.2023 | Paramount | final gross: $68,026,901

[Bob Train]

Out of all the movies Scorcese has directed in the last 20 years, KOTFM is the #2 Metascore out of them. #1 if only including theatrical.

[dudalb]

On 9/10/2023 at 1:42 AM, TomThomas said:

Wolf Of Wall Street also had C+ Cinemascore, another beloved Dicario/Scorsese collaboration.

Define beleoved.

I as a huge Scorsese fan; but was dissaponted in '"Wolf". Too much excess, if that makes any sense. I would have rathered he spent more time on exactly how the Wolf pulled of his scams. rather then yet another Orgy scene. The "how it worked" factor is one of the things that made "Goodfellows" and "Casino" so good.

And it is not like every Scorsese film has to have De Capio. Scorsese was already established as one of the great directors before he first worked  with Leo in "Gangs Of New York" in 2002. and did not cast him in 'The Irishman".

[BoxOfficeFangrl]

3 hours ago, dudalb said:

Define beleoved.

I as a huge Scorsese fan; but was dissaponted in '"Wolf". Too much excess, if that makes any sense. I would have rathered he spent more time on exactly how the Wolf pulled of his scams. rather then yet another Orgy scene. The "how it worked" factor is one of the things that made "Goodfellows" and "Casino" so good.

And it is not like every Scorsese film has to have De Capio. Scorsese was already established as one of the great directors before he first worked  with Leo in "Gangs Of New York" in 2002. and did not cast him in 'The Irishman".

It's polarizing but The Wolf of Wall Street definitely has its admirers and ranks highly on fan-voted metrics like Letterboxd (among Top 10 Scorsese movies) and the overall IMDb Top 250 (ahead of 21st century "film bro" classics like There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men, even Marty's own Casino and Shutter Island).

 

TWoWS also has the Scarface type of fandom: movies about handsome, rich, flashy crooks will always have those who see their protagonists as aspirational figures rather than a cautionary tale.

 

Not sure if KotFM will be their speed..

 

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by BoxOfficeFangrl

[TomThomas]

On 9/10/2023 at 4:54 AM, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

poor things will beat oppenheimer, probably

No chance, it's critics darling most likely, Lanthimos is not everyone's cup of tea. Oppenheimer has everything going for it to win the main prize.

 

On 9/11/2023 at 7:15 AM, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

it was also a late-breaking holiday release with the best reviewed at the time performance from DiCaprio

And how can we measure reviews of perfomance to make this conclusion? What late-breaking holiday release even means here? What we can measure is numbers: both C+ Cinemascore, both have similar imdb and letterboxd ratings, both are successful at box office and I'm pretty sure Leo's perfomance in Shutter Island was praised as well.

Edited September 12, 2023 by TomThomas

[TomThomas]

18 hours ago, dudalb said:

Define beleoved.

I as a huge Scorsese fan; but was dissaponted in '"Wolf". Too much excess, if that makes any sense. I would have rathered he spent more time on exactly how the Wolf pulled of his scams. rather then yet another Orgy scene. The "how it worked" factor is one of the things that made "Goodfellows" and "Casino" so good.

And it is not like every Scorsese film has to have De Capio. Scorsese was already established as one of the great directors before he first worked  with Leo in "Gangs Of New York" in 2002. and did not cast him in 'The Irishman".

Wolf was probably one of the most popular movies among average Joes of its time, it was everywhere, Jordan used Dicaprio's fsce and shots from the movie to market his tours. And as mentioned above, its imdb/letterboxd are very high and box office was very strong for this kind of movie.

[Joel M]

18 hours ago, dudalb said:

Define beleoved.

I as a huge Scorsese fan; but was dissaponted in '"Wolf". Too much excess, if that makes any sense. I would have rathered he spent more time on exactly how the Wolf pulled of his scams. rather then yet another Orgy scene. The "how it worked" factor is one of the things that made "Goodfellows" and "Casino" so good.

 

I think it's pretty safe to say that Wolf alongside Departed are the two most beloved/iconic Scorsese movies this century. Doesn't mean they are "objectively" the best or anything, but they are the most well remembered.

 

I'm not the biggest fan of Casino myself, but it is certainly way more iconic and beloved than other 80-90s scorsese movies I think are way better.

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

19 minutes ago, TomThomas said:

No chance, it's critics darling most likely, Lanthimos is not everyone's cup of tea. Oppenheimer has everything going for it to win the main prize.

 

And how can we measure reviews of perfomance to make this conclusion? What late-breaking holiday release even means here? What we can measure is numbers: both C+ Cinemascore, both have similar imdb and letterboxd ratings, both are successful at box office and I'm pretty sure Leo's perfomance in Shutter Island was praised as well.

it has everything going for it despite no awards happening yet

[Eric S'ennui]

 

[dudalb]

20 hours ago, BoxOfficeFangrl said:

It's polarizing but The Wolf of Wall Street definitely has its admirers and ranks highly on fan-voted metrics like Letterboxd (among Top 10 Scorsese movies) and the overall IMDb Top 250 (ahead of 21st century "film bro" classics like There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men, even Marty's own Casino and Shutter Island).

 

TWoWS also has the Scarface type of fandom: movies about handsome, rich, flashy crooks will always have those who see their protagonists as aspirational figures rather than a cautionary tale.

 

Not sure if KotFM will be their speed..

 

 

Wolf is not a terrible film..it has a lot of good stuff in it, ncluding one of De Capio's best perfromances, and it introduced Margot Robbie to audiences outside of Australia, but it also has severe flaws..over lone the orgies just become dull after a while. Marty ade his point with the first couple, it got repetitive.

Scarface is good comparasion; of course I prefer the 1933 Howard Hawks original.

And I am sure Scorsese is appaled that some people have made the main charecter of Wolf out to be a hero.I think it clear he meant the charecter to be basically reprehensible. I also think his downfall is not nearly as well done as that of Henry Hill in "Goodfellas".

Edited September 12, 2023 by dudalb

[dudalb]

1 hour ago, Eric the Nun said:

 

I would love to see Scorsese do his Sinatra biopic,  but for legal reasons that will not happen.

[dudalb]

5 hours ago, Joel M said:

 

I think it's pretty safe to say that Wolf alongside Departed are the two most beloved/iconic Scorsese movies this century. Doesn't mean they are "objectively" the best or anything, but they are the most well remembered.

 

I'm not the biggest fan of Casino myself, but it is certainly way more iconic and beloved than other 80-90s scorsese movies I think are way better.

I still think Scorsese's two masterpieces are "Raging Bull" and "Goodfellas".

"Departed" was a better film then Wolf. It is not one of Scorsese's but di dnot have Wolf's serious flaws. But, yeah, the Oscar Marty got for it was definently a make up Oscar. His not having won was an embarassment to the Academy.

"Casino" I do have a couple of the same problems I have with Wolf..it is overlong, and the martial fight scenes between De Niro and Sharon Stone get to be tiresome after a while, just like the orgies in Wolf get to be tiresome. He keeps doing them long after his has made every dramatic point he could make with them. But overall it is a better movie then Wolf,

Edited September 12, 2023 by dudalb

[DAJK]

I've never seen Goodfellas or Casino. Which should I watch first?

[emoviefan]

24 minutes ago, DAJK said:

I've never seen Goodfellas or Casino. Which should I watch first?

Goodfellas  it's not even a contest. 

[Jake Gittes]

2 hours ago, DAJK said:

I've never seen Goodfellas or Casino. Which should I watch first?

 

Goodfellas. Casino is that style but pushed a lot further.

[Grebacio]

 

[AMC Theaters Enjoyer]

The trailers have truly been stellar.

[titanic2187]

On 9/12/2023 at 7:40 AM, dudalb said:

Define beleoved.

I as a huge Scorsese fan; but was dissaponted in '"Wolf". Too much excess, if that makes any sense. I would have rathered he spent more time on exactly how the Wolf pulled of his scams. rather then yet another Orgy scene. The "how it worked" factor is one of the things that made "Goodfellows" and "Casino" so good.

And it is not like every Scorsese film has to have De Capio. Scorsese was already established as one of the great directors before he first worked  with Leo in "Gangs Of New York" in 2002. and did not cast him in 'The Irishman".

 

I don't have issue with Wolf despite its profanity. It is a work that showcase how Scorsese is capable of crafting non-stop ridiculous and outrageous scene, one after another. From getting tied-up on Plane, the yacht sinking, the Car, the phone; Scorsese utilizes every setting creatively to give us some of the most memorable fucked-up moment in cinematic history. Wolf is another example of how masterful Scorsese is in directing, he found a balance point between dramatic tension and black comedy. No wonder Wolf has some notable cult following after years of the release.    

[Ozymandias]

I think this has much better award chances than The Irishman because it’s not full of really creepy and distractingly bad CGI faces or the worst beat down scene in history.

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

looks like the greatest movie ever

[dudalb]

20 hours ago, emoviefan said:

Goodfellas  it's not even a contest. 

Agreed,

Casino is a good movie, but not the masterpiece that Goodfellas is.

Sad comment that many people here have not seen GOodfellas, though they seem to see every current piece of crap out there.