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Weekend Thread 7/7-7/9 | ABSOLUTELY NO SPOILERS ALLOWED | SMH 117M, DM3 34M, BD 12.5M, WW 10.1M, TF5 6.3M, Biggus Dickus 3.65

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2 minutes ago, YourMother said:

HC2 should move to August. Opening against Pets 2 and then dealing with Lion King two weeks later doesn't bode well.

 

Yea the market is crowded around that time. Pets and LK will eat up the family audience and if Top Gun gets good reception that can cut deep into its second weekend but I expect Sony to remain confident and keep it that spot.

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Hehehehehe.

 

It's like a bad dream.  A nightmare.  Except you can't wake up?  Can you?  When was the last time you had a bad dream, huh?  Did you wake up from it?  Did you forget about it?  That's the fun part about dreamssss: They differ from everyone.  Some people are living nightmares at this very moment :).

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15 minutes ago, Cochofles said:

 As much as I would love that, I can't imagine any scenario that would result in any film but Justice League being the # 1 superhero film of 2017. 

To be fair, it was hard to imagine that Wonder Woman on her own would outgross Batman Vs Superman.

 

If Justice League isn't particularly good, I can very easily see it coming below Wonder Woman.

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Bumblebee is at least a good proposition money-wise. It can't do less than Mummy numbers globally I think. It's about budgeting. 125-150 prod budget with 400-450 ww and shit ton of merchandising revenue to follow. The franchise then will find it tough to continue and do much after that. But Bumblebee at least can be squeezed for profit.

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4 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

for those who think SMH is "disappointing".....recall back what happened to SS last year when Saturday's number came out, in total in the end, SS was a beast!!

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The Deadline updates seems to strip gkt suggest audiences like what they're seeing and walk up sales gave been great.

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2 hours ago, YourMother said:

Agreed. I don't think another CBM will have a multiplier like Wonder Woman. The one that has the best chance is Black Panther

 

Black Panther? Why? Because it stars a black dude? WW is not as successful as it is because she's a woman. It might get you some attention but that only gets you so far...

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So the SM:H OW is looking like to be within most average to above average expectations. I said last week that I don't think SM:H really breaks out big because it just doesn't have the sheer novelty factor to it and these days novelty trumps reviews. There's been a lot of Spider-Man movies. There's been a lot of Marvel movies. The Marvel movies all have around the same range of reviews. Moreover, I just don't think the demographic makeup for SM:H is going to allow it to have a WONDR style run since the latter pulls in an audience that tends to view movies later in runs. I think SM:H will be really successful have the average to above average Marvel movie legs, but WONDR should comfortably remain Queen of the Summer.

 

I really don't think the next Thor movie hits it big for the same reasons above. I know a lot here are excited for the Black Panther movie and the idea of a predominantly black cape movie does have some novelty, but I don't think the audience and curiosity for that is anywhere as huge as the first big female-led cape as that's targeting 50% of the population. JL I think will do fine because of WONDR spillover and curiosity over Flash (big right now) and Aquaman and the generally solid DC fanbase. I think Aquaman will do above most expectations here as well since there's some proven merit to introducing a character via cameo in a team-up then following up with a solo (Spider-Man in CW, Wonder Woman in BvS).

 

The big question for myself with these numbers actually concerns RDJ's audience pull right now. This will likely be the first Marvel movie of his that breaks both of his $400mil DOM and $1bil WW streaks. And it's not like SM:H is an outlier, since it has Spider-Man which is arguably Marvel's most popular character. We've seen that while he's largely the primary reason for a Marvel movie to cross $1bil WW, his pull has decreased with each movie over time. I've been really unsure about Avengers: Infinity War matching the success of the first two Avengers movie and with this and GotG2 unable to hit $1bil marks I'm even more confident it doesn't now.

 

Most Marvel movies, other than say GotG which was a novel concept at the time, just aren't an event right now. I'd argue that it's probably viewed as basically a long-running episodic show. So I guess IW's performance is going to really depend on if it gets the kind of season finale bump some shows get if people see it as the sort of end of an era and Marvel/Disney goes through with essentially retiring some or most of the original cast.

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2 minutes ago, Elessar said:

 

Black Panther? Why? Because it stars a black dude? WW is not as successful as it is because she's a woman. It might get you some attention but that only gets you so far...

That and because I think Black Panther will be really good like WW. It has great hype already too.

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Yes sometimes I think that people are accidentally downplaying the fact that people actually liked the Wonder Woman movie and that's where the word of mouth is coming from. If Wonder Woman were the same quality as Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad there is no way it would be having these legs just because people always wanted to see Wonder Woman. People always wanted to see Batman and Superman together on screen as well and that movie didn't have a 3.8 multiplier.

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7 minutes ago, a2knet said:

Bumblebee is at least a good proposition money-wise. It can't do less than Mummy numbers globally I think. It's about budgeting. 125-150 prod budget with 400-450 ww and shit ton of merchandising revenue to follow. The franchise then will find it tough to continue and do much after that. But Bumblebee at least can be squeezed for profit.

 

I'll be surprised if Bumblebee's budget is below 150m, just because of how studios operate. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Bumblebee didn't get made at this point. 

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