Top 25 films of 1997 (Countdown will begin Sunday Nov. 26th at Noon EST 9AM PST)

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6 weeks, 6 weeks, 6 weeks!!!

Edited October 4, 2017 by Matrix4You

[RobinHood26]

1 hour ago, Matrix4You said:

6 weeks, 6 weeks, 6 weeks!!!

 

 

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8 hours ago, Matrix4You said:

6 weeks, 6 weeks, 6 weeks!!!

 

6 hours ago, Jay Hollywood said:

 

 

 

Edited October 4, 2017 by Matrix4You

[TalismanRing]

17 hours ago, Matrix4You said:

 

 

 

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I see how if Princess Mononoke is to count for 1997, then so would Life is Beautiful.  I have a feeling though that Life as Beautiful is going to suffer in the rankings though since it is associate with the 1999 Academy Awards. 

 

I have been looking at alot of different movies, and I truely feel Hard Eight should count towards 1997, and Cube should count towards 1998.

Here are the IMDB release dates for the following.

 

Hard Eight

USA	20 January 1996	(Sundance Film Festival)
France	18 May 1996	(Cannes Film Festival)
France	September 1996	(Deauville Film Festival)
USA	28 February 1997

 

Cube

Canada9 September 1997(Toronto International Film Festival)

Greece12 September 1997(Athens Film Festival)

Canada18 September 1997(Cinefest Sudbury International Film Festival)

USA16 January 1998(Sundance Film Festival)

Germany19 February 1998(Berlin International Film Festival)

Netherlands11 July 1998

UK17 August 1998(Edinburgh International Film Festival)

USA11 September 1998(limited)

 

The Butcher Boy

Ireland	13 July 1997	(Galway Film Fleadh)
Germany	14 February 1998	(Berlin International Film Festival)
UK	20 February 1998
Ireland	20 February 1998
Germany	26 February 1998
USA	3 April 1998	(limited)

 

 

 

 

Now, take a look at three movies that opened in 2017 but qualified for the 2016 Academy Awards.

 

The Founder

Australia   24 November 2016

USA   7 December 2016(Arclight Hollywood)

 

USA     19 January 2017(limited)

 

 

Gold

Croatia29 December 2016

USA30 December 2016(limited)

 

USA27 January 2017

 

 

The Comedian

USA	11 November 2016	(AFI Fest)
USA	9 December 2016	(limited)
USA	15 January 2017	(Palm Springs International Film Festival)
Canada	3 February 2017	(limited)
USA	3 February 2017

 

 

and from the previous year

 

Labor Day

USA	27 December 2013	(Los Angeles, California)
Kuwait	30 January 2014
Sweden	30 January 2014	(Göteborg International Film Festival)
Canada	31 January 2014

USA	31 January 2014

 

Now, look at Princess Mononoke and Life as Beautiful to see what justifies their 1997 places. (= a real release in any country)

 

Princess Mononoke

Japan	12 July 1997
Portugal	26 July 1997
Taiwan	2 August 1997
Hong Kong	14 August 1997
Germany	12 February 1998	(Berlin International Film Festival)
Canada	18 September 1999	(Toronto International Film Festival)
USA	26 September 1999	(New York Film Festival)

 

Life is Beautiful

Italy	20 December 1997
France	May 1998	(Cannes Film Festival)
Canada	3 September 1998	(Montréal Film Festival)
Greece	9 September 1998	(Athens Film Festival)
Canada	12 September 1998	(Toronto International Film Festival)
Canada	25 September 1998	(Cinefest Sudbury International Film Festival)
Belgium	14 October 1998
Switzerland	16 October 1998	(German speaking region)
France	21 October 1998
USA	22 October 1998	(AFI Film Festival)
USA	23 October 1998	(limited)

I feel like this makes sense

 

Now look at Split

 

Split

USA26 September 2016(Fantastic Fest)

USA15 November 2016(AFI Fest)

USA20 January 2017

 

See how Split is a 2017 film, yet was shown during 2016.  The same thing should happen for Butcher Boy and Cube going to 1998, and Hard Eight going to 1997.  Comedian, Gold, Founder, and Labor Day all show example of not only film festivals, but actual release dates.  For Butcher Boy, Cube, and Hard Eight you only get film festivals just like Split.  In regards to Life as Beautiful and Princess Mononoke, they opened in a country in 1997.  You can decide foreign because as far as I know, these rules make Underworld: Blood Wars a 2016 film since that opened in alot of countries in 2016.

Edited October 6, 2017 by Matrix4You

[dxmatrixdt]

^^^

Like Founder, Gold, Comedian, and Labor Day, even back in 1997 Reggie's Prayer makes a little special mention of a 1996 premiere. 

 

USA	17 September 1996	(Milwaukee, Wisconsin) (premiere)
USA	24 January 1997
USA	10 October 1997	(TV premiere)

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Spice World

 

UK	15 December 1997	(premiere)
Spain	17 December 1997
Netherlands	18 December 1997

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FYC: Starkid

 

 

Singapore	13 November 1997
USA	16 January 1998

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Trekkies

USA	18 October 1997	(Hamptons International Film Festival) (premiere)
USA	24 October 1997	(AFI Film Festival)
Brazil	29 October 1997	(São Paulo International Film Festival)
USA	29 January 1998	(Cinequest Film Festival)
USA	12 March 1999	(limited)

[Goffe]

New batch of bad takes

 

The Ice Storm: I like Ang Lee and I like this kind of film, so I’m not sure why I’m so indifferent to it. 6/10

 

Sweet Hereafter is a collection of spectacular moments that don’t quite come together very well. I’m definitely not enamored with the whole as I’m with its individual parts. It feels pretty unique, though. 8/10

 

Absolute Power: Starts pretty well, but then Eastwood decides he wants to take down the president and the movies takes a massive, MASSIVE nosedive. 5/10

Edited October 6, 2017 by Goffe

[Dementeleus]

If you want to do it the way the Academy does it, a movies needs to be released to the paying public outside of a film festival. In terms of all those 2016 films, they had exactly that -- they weren't 2017 releases (though they went wide in 2017). 

 

Obviously the situation gets more complicated for older movies, especially foreign films that often have wildly-varying release dates around the world. 

 

I don't have an easy answer. 

[Tower]

FYC:

 

Eve's Bayou is a real hidden gem (only 7k votes on IMDB), highly recommended.

Edited October 8, 2017 by Tower

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Here is an endurance tester:

Edited October 8, 2017 by Matrix4You

[LonePirate]

On 10/7/2017 at 8:36 PM, Tower said:

FYC:

 

Eve's Bayou is a real hidden gem (only 7k votes on IMDB), highly recommended.

 

I had completely forgotten about this film. It’s worth watching.

[filmlover]

Eve's Bayou is fantastic indeed.

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the first direct to video horror movie I ever rented on VHS

 

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Edited May 6, 2018 by Thematrixfilm

[dxmatrixdt]

On 10/6/2017 at 11:38 PM, Squadron Leader Tele said:

If you want to do it the way the Academy does it, a movies needs to be released to the paying public outside of a film festival. In terms of all those 2016 films, they had exactly that -- they weren't 2017 releases (though they went wide in 2017). 

 

Obviously the situation gets more complicated for older movies, especially foreign films that often have wildly-varying release dates around the world. 

 

I don't have an easy answer. 

 

On 10/6/2017 at 2:15 AM, Matrix4You said:

Spice World

 

UK	15 December 1997	(premiere)
Spain	17 December 1997
Netherlands	18 December 1997

WHat about something like Spice World where it is released international first.  Or most recently, Underworld: Blood Wars released mostly around the world before January.

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I recommend the director's cut of Mimic.  You can order it for 3 bucks on vudu.  It is top 25 worthy.  It only adds about 6 minutes more and that six minutes goes towards minor character development, but it makes the movie feel more serious. 

 

Also, I am having the hardest time finding Spawn (director's cut) for rent.  Everywhere wants me to buy the whole thing.  Ahh!!  and Princess Mononoke is nowhere to rent.