SLAM! Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Just now, CoolioD1 said: i think ethan hawke is still gonna get nominated. and there's no real guarantee this catches on. we'll see. some controversies seem to live short term in the memory like that Viggo N word thing seems like it just came and went. It perplexes me how that barely caused any damage as of now... I find it interesting how Mahershala Ali forgave him and stood by him, though. That might have something to do with the 'coming and going' among certain people. I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric is Quiet Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 42 minutes ago, Slambros said: It perplexes me how that barely caused any damage as of now... I find it interesting how Mahershala Ali forgave him and stood by him, though. That might have something to do with the 'coming and going' among certain people. I dunno. Having Ali explain the situation definitely helps, but I think it also helps that Viggo's not a very popular figure. The last commercial movie he was in was Hidalgo, or I guess Appaloosa if you want to be charitable. If it was Tom Cruise or something who accidentally blurted out the n word, things would probably be different. This also applies to Schrader. Only movie nerds like us know who he is, so it'll likely blow over and Hawke won't be affected that much. Original Screenplay on the other hand could be different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Detroit Film Critic Nominations Eighth Grade and First Reformed keep their building steam Vice finally shows up somewhere Black Panther shut out, Poppins missed big cats, and Jesse Plemmons makes an appearance BEST FILM A Quiet Place Eighth Grade First Reformed Green Book Roma BEST DIRECTOR Bo Burnham – Eighth Grade Bradley Cooper – A Star is Born Alfonso Cuarón – Roma Adam McKay – Vice Paul Schrader – First Reformed BEST ACTOR Christian Bale – Vice Bradley Cooper – A Star is Born Ethan Hawke – First Reformed Rami Malek – Bohemian Rhapsody John David Washington – BlacKkKlansman BEST ACTRESS Toni Collette – Hereditary Olivia Colman – The Favourite Elsie Fisher – Eighth Grade Lady Gaga – A Star is Born Melissa McCarthy – Can You Ever Forgive Me? BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR Mahershala Ali – Green Book Sam Elliott – A Star is Born Richard E. Grant – Can You Ever Forgive Me? Josh Hamilton – Eighth Grade Jesse Plemons – Game Night BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS Amy Adams – Vice Regina King – If Beale Street Could Talk Thomasin McKenzie – Leave No Trace Emma Stone – The Favourite Rachel Weisz – The Favourite BREAKTHROUGH Bo Burnham – Eighth Grade Rafael Casal & Daveed Diggs – Blindspotting Elsie Fisher – Eighth Grade Lady Gaga – A Star is Born Boots Riley – Sorry to Bother You BEST SCREENPLAY Bo Burnham – Eighth Grade Deborah Davis and Tony McNamara – The Favourite Paul Schrader – First Reformed Nick Vallelonga, Brian Hayes Currie and Peter Farrelly – Green Book Adam McKay – Vice BEST USE OF MUSIC A Star is Born Bohemian Rhapsody Green Book Mandy Mary Poppins Returns BEST ANIMATED FEATURE Incredibles 2 Isle of Dogs Ralph Breaks the Internet Smallfoot Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse BEST DOCUMENTARY Free Solo RBG Three Identical Strangers Whitney Won’t You Be My Neighbor? BEST ENSEMBLE Crazy Rich Asians Eighth Grade The Favourite Roma Vice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfHan Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Those are some strong, unique nominations 👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmasterclay Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Man, Eighth Grade and First Reformed have shown up everywhere. One of them is getting in for Best Picture, I think. Not sure which. As for why I think Lin Manuel Miranda could win Supporting Actor, I just do not buy any of the main contenders as winners (outside Grant) at this point, and he's a super famous (also not white) dude that people want to award and give an EGOT too. IDK, I could see it. I loved Star is Born and Elliot has a couple great moments in it, but is THAT performance really winning Best Supporting Actor?? I guess. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfHan Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said: Man, Eighth Grade and First Reformed have shown up everywhere. One of them is getting in for Best Picture, I think. Not sure which. As for why I think Lin Manuel Miranda could win Supporting Actor, I just do not buy any of the main contenders as winners (outside Grant) at this point, and he's a super famous (also not white) dude that people want to award and give an EGOT too. IDK, I could see it. I loved Star is Born and Elliot has a couple great moments in it, but is THAT performance really winning Best Supporting Actor?? I guess. After Schrader's new nonsense, it'd be Eighth Grade EG has an advantage with Scott Rudin as well. That said, I have it at 13th or 14th. It has a big uphill battle when Screenplay will be its only other nomination. A24 is probably just sitting this year out in the main category. Disney seems pretty set on pushing Lin in lead. If he was supporting everywhere outside the Globes, their FYC site probably would've reflected that. But yeah, you're dead on about Elliott not feeling like a winning performance. He's barely in the movie and doesn't affect the plot as much as someone like Mahershala Ali in Moonlight. When he's not around, Bradley Cooper is never reminiscing about him (maybe he did in that one scene towards the end?). Edited November 30, 2018 by WrathOfHan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfHan Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 The problem with Supporting Actor is you can pick any contender and find something big going against them: Grant: His movie is 12th at best in Picture right now, and he may be the movie's sole nominee if McCarthy and/or Screenplay miss. Now, if CYEFM manages a BP nomination, he'll become the obvious frontrunner. Ali: He just won two years ago, and Green Book isn't a frontrunner for anything else. Granted, the former didn't stop Waltz from winning relatively recently with a three year gap. Elliott: If he wins, he may beat the category's record for the smallest screentime (10 minutes). I also think his only path to a win is if exactly one of Cooper and Gaga win because I have a hard time seeing them give ASIB three acting wins or Elliott winning but neither of the leads. Carell/Rockwell: Kind of the same deal as ASIB only with Bale and Adams, but if both get in, vote cancelling could happen. Screentime could also be an issue for Rockwell even though he apparently steals every scene he's in. Driver: Not a flashy role at all. Chalamet: He'd be a sole nominee for a no1curr movie. There's no buzz or momentum for him anymore this year. Kaluuya: If Elliott might take the least screentime record, Kaluuya sure as shit would. He's in Widows for 5-6 minutes max, which is a movie that's losing steam. Honestly, Michael B Jordan probably has the least going against him on paper; genre is the only tick against him that comes to mind. He needs a major critic win or a couple nominations to be viable though, and he's a borderline nominee at the moment. If buzz picks up, I can see him taking it. HE'S BEEN WAITING HIS ENTIRE LIFE FOR THIS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I think Jordan will have a better shot with the guilds than with critics. If he can’t show up then Grant’s really the only other one I could see winning unless they put LMM supporting 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezen Baklattan Posted December 1, 2018 Author Share Posted December 1, 2018 2 hours ago, PANDA said: BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR Jesse Plemons – Game Night Now to get him his BOFFY. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddroast Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 4 hours ago, CoolioD1 said: i think ethan hawke is still gonna get nominated. and there's no real guarantee this catches on. we'll see. some controversies seem to live short term in the memory like that Viggo N word thing seems like it just came and went. When did Viggio say the N Word? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfHan Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Reddroast said: When did Viggio say the N Word? It was at an Academy or SAG screening of Green Book. He was saying how nobody says it anymore. It wasn't really racist, just very ignorant and clueless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Reddroast said: When did Viggio say the N Word? it was during a live interview on good morning america. he just started screaming the lyrics to m.a.a.d city for no reason. Edited December 1, 2018 by CoolioD1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said: It was at an Academy or SAG screening of Green Book. He was saying how nobody says it anymore. It wasn't really racist, just very ignorant and clueless. If the controversy does stick, I reckon it’s something the guilds and academy will care more about than critics. If Viggo misses SAG, I think he’ll definitely be missing an Oscar nom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmlover Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, WrathOfHan said: The problem with Supporting Actor is you can pick any contender and find something big going against them: Grant: His movie is 12th at best in Picture right now, and he may be the movie's sole nominee if McCarthy and/or Screenplay miss. Now, if CYEFM manages a BP nomination, he'll become the obvious frontrunner. Ali: He just won two years ago, and Green Book isn't a frontrunner for anything else. Granted, the former didn't stop Waltz from winning relatively recently with a three year gap. Elliott: If he wins, he may beat the category's record for the smallest screentime (10 minutes). I also think his only path to a win is if exactly one of Cooper and Gaga win because I have a hard time seeing them give ASIB three acting wins or Elliott winning but neither of the leads. Carell/Rockwell: Kind of the same deal as ASIB only with Bale and Adams, but if both get in, vote cancelling could happen. Screentime could also be an issue for Rockwell even though he apparently steals every scene he's in. Driver: Not a flashy role at all. Chalamet: He'd be a sole nominee for a no1curr movie. There's no buzz or momentum for him anymore this year. Kaluuya: If Elliott might take the least screentime record, Kaluuya sure as shit would. He's in Widows for 5-6 minutes max, which is a movie that's losing steam. Honestly, Michael B Jordan probably has the least going against him on paper; genre is the only tick against him that comes to mind. He needs a major critic win or a couple nominations to be viable though, and he's a borderline nominee at the moment. If buzz picks up, I can see him taking it. HE'S BEEN WAITING HIS ENTIRE LIFE FOR THIS! I would be thrilled to no end if A24 somehow was able to get Josh Hamilton in here for a nomination. Field is certainly dead enough to allow for an unexpected surprise to emerge. Edited December 1, 2018 by filmlover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, filmlover said: I would be thrilled to no end if A24 somehow was able to get Josh Hamilton in here for a nomination. Field is certainly dead enough to allow for an unexpected surprise to emerge. If Eighth Grade wants to sneak in for picture it’s going to need an acting nom or directing nom to go with screenplay. Fisher would be the obvious choice but actress is loaded, so I’d see it hard for her to sneak in being so young. Hamilton could definitely be surprise player. Bo Burnham would also fit the bill as a “Wtf indie nod” that nobody sees coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinHyphy Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Slambros said: It perplexes me how that barely caused any damage as of now... I find it interesting how Mahershala Ali forgave him and stood by him, though. That might have something to do with the 'coming and going' among certain people. I dunno. The movie in itself is a controversy if you have not noticed, so that is the least of their worries right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmlover Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Green Book’s controversies never really went anywhere. Aside from the Viggo thing, that “Don Shirley’s family blasts the movie” piece from the other week never gained any traction. Movie’s probably lucky it’s only in contention for nominations and not any wins (not even for Ali). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric is Quiet Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Dang, we got a dark horse ladies and gentlemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmlover Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, CoolEric258 said: Dang, we got a dark horse ladies and gentlemen. That’ll teach those trolls behind their keyboards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmasterclay Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) Maybe the controversies around Green Book went away, but the backlash sure as shit didn't. The Ringer and Vulture, two very popular sites for film fans, both had massive articles just in the last few days trashing its entire premise, and there's many more of them out there. Even if those specific controversies don't hurt it, the backlash to its old-ass, corny, feel-good view of race relations is still hella out there. It's like Driving Miss Daisy 2018. That's what I'm focused on when I talk about it potentially struggling. https://www.theringer.com/movies/2018/11/27/18112880/green-book-race-viggo-mortensen-mahershala-ali-peter-farrelly https://www.vulture.com/2018/11/green-book-flopped-but-who-was-it-supposed-to-be-for.html Edited December 1, 2018 by Cmasterclay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
