Weekend Thread: Equalizer 2 pulls off an upset win over Mamma Mia 2 - 35.83M to 34.44M

[Valonqar]

Badass Denzel works like a clock. Very reliable boxoffice. other genres can go either way but he delivers as an action hero. 

[MovieMan89]

1 hour ago, sfran43 said:

Somebody's bored!😂

That is crazy to think about though considering Voight already seemed ancient in the first MI. 

[Valonqar]

Cruise looks incredible for his age but maybe that's what 56 should look like?  Other people age faster due to unhealthy lifestyle? 

[sfran43]

 

[BoxOfficeFangrl]

28 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:

That is crazy to think about though considering Voight already seemed ancient in the first MI. 

Well, people can naturally age at different rates...and some people choose to dye their hair and get cosmetically refreshed. Nothing wrong with that, even normies get work done. But if you keep living, eventually, you can't carry off pretending that you're still 35. Will be interesting to see where Cruise's career goes when he hits that phase. 

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[Barnack]

2 hours ago, Valonqar said:

Badass Denzel works like a clock. Very reliable boxoffice. other genres can go either way but he delivers as an action hero. 

Except for The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3, that lost quite a bit of money making 150m on a 115m budget (120m with bonus), but then again the way the Denzel movies business work a small lost to the studio itself, I wonder what is the batting average on those Denzel action flick, must be quite high. I imagine out of time was an other one.

 

Using rumored net budget (probably some massed down, but some higher than reality like Mag 7).

 

2000s Denzel rumored performance (didn't saw a great debater budget anywhere so I skipped it), I think it did 30m on a 15m budget or so:

 

Title	Budget	WW BO	Ratio
Flight	$31.00	$161.80	5.22
Remember the Titans	$30.00	$136.70	4.56
Inside Man	$45.00	$184.40	4.10
The Equalizer	$63.00	$192.30	3.05
John Q.	$36.00	$102.20	2.84
Fences	$24.00	$64.40	2.68
American Gangster	$100.00	$266.50	2.67
Safe House	$85.00	$208.10	2.45
Deja Vu	$75.00	$180.60	2.41
Training Day	$45.00	$104.90	2.33
2 Guns	$61.00	$131.90	2.16
The Book of Eli	$80.00	$157.10	1.96
The Magnificent Seven (2016)	$85.00	$162.40	1.91
Antwone Fisher	$12.50	$23.40	1.87
Man on Fire	$70.00	$130.30	1.86
Unstoppable	$100.00	$167.80	1.68
The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3	$115.00	$150.20	1.31
The Manchurian Candidate	$80.00	$96.10	1.20
Out of Time	$50.00	$55.50	1.11
Roman J. Israel, Esq.	$22.00	$13.00	0.59

 

 

 

You can see why he did show up in most overpaid actor list (being the most consistent will make you earn the most relative to the revenues, lower the risk lower the accepted ROI by investor will be) and why many do not get the Denzel film business.

 

20 movies, 45% didn't double their budget only 25% tripled it or higher.

 

1) Domestic heavy, until very recently domestic heavy movie could turn a good profit without doubling it's budget

2) Between 2003 and 2010 or so, DVDs and one would imagine Denzel is a good home ent performer and the genre is (like Staham).

3) Because he almost never flop fully (arguably never), the financial third party deal studio achieve to get on is stuff are just great, making up for the lack of good international pre-sales you can do with him.

 

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[Valonqar]

Ah, I see. I didn't know his movies have quite a budget. 

[Maxmoser3]

John Q wasn’t actually a dud. It did very well.

 

Denzel can pull more hits than the rock. 

[sfran43]

 

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[sfran43]

 

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[sfran43]

 

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[WrathOfHan]

The fudge is strong with Universal.

[sfran43]

 

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[Barnack]

4 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

Ah, I see. I didn't know his movies have quite a budget. 

They were studio movies with a big star, usually a rather big name director and many of those during the home entertainment "bubble", 100m was not considering outside the norm even for a comedy with not much actions if it had big names, Jim Carrey could have an over 120m net budget of a Dick & Jane for example, same for action movies like those. There was just more money and less risk in those days.

 

A movie like TAKING OF PELHAM 1 2 3, THE, still made 212m in revenues from that 150m box office performance (despite not being particularly beloved and pretty weak domestic for him), 66.42 from theatrical rental vs 145.5m in the ancillary markets after, it was not uncommon for a movie to make around 170% of it's box office in revenues 9-14 year's ago.

 

The press covering language is often just not fully nuanced enough to take the by market/genre/etc... into account when covering movie performance, but it does start to be, it was refreshing to see it talk about movies like Den of Thieves and 12 strong performing well enough without doubling their budget because of being domestic driven and in a performance range/genre-target audience that overperform the industry average on home video and TV relative to their box office.

[sfran43]

 

[Barnack]

11 minutes ago, Maxmoser3 said:

John Q wasn’t actually a dud. It did very well.

 

Denzel can pull more hits than the rock. 

Yeah I imagine my copy-pasted table is full of mistake here (started with the dbo list by mistake of mojo and tried to put the WW numbers in automatically).

[sfran43]

 

[Zakiyyah6]

Denzel's movies do nothing overseas. 

[Bishop54]

5 minutes ago, sfran43 said:

 

Terrible. 

[The Panda]

Can U Ever Forgive Me is actually about the GA asking me for forgiveness for the atrocity they put as #1 over Mamma Mia this weekend.

 

Spoiler alert: I don’t forgive them