Joker: Folie a Deux | October 4, 2024 | Lady Gaga is Harley Quinn in this 200M+ musical sequel

[gojorager]

and how exactly did Gucci perform poorly at the BO? 

Edited September 6 by gojorager

[wattage]

2 minutes ago, Mad Max007 said:

It's not 50s/60s where having pop stars would increase the box office. Argylle had Dua Lipa look how it did! And Taylor in Amsterdam lol.

Lady Gaga is an actual actress unlike those two. Shes in her own little interesting corner where she's built an audience of film fans that's also comprised of fans of her music. I've seen many people who are dismissive of her music career who like her as an actress. Can't really be said for a Dua or a Taylor.

[James]

11 minutes ago, Avatree said:

i love lady gaga but what the heck is with the House of Pigeons stans on here claiming it was a success????????

 

it performed poorly at the box office and was received poorly by both audiences and critics

 

 

 

It was an adult drama, during the pandemic, when adult dramas were dying left and right, and it doubled its budget.

Edited September 6 by James

[joselowe]

3 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

Pop stars sell (in some kinda of way actors too or Brad Pitt and tom Hans shouldn't have flops but they have them) the right projects for them.

 

A star is Born is a project made for a kinda of performer like lady Gaga. At some point apparently Eastwood was attached to the project with Di Caprio and Beyoncé to star. And Adele too. 

I don't know how far or less but they both have the star Power to sell a project like that as Gaga did and were right for the kinda of role.

 

Exactly like Whitney Houston sold a romantic drama about a Singer etc . Etc . But other movies weren't definitely that big.

 

Joker as musical and as a movie  with a kinda of extravanga style characters seems a perfect project She can sells. 

 

Ariana grande wouldn't sell a movie like this but feels right for Wicked. Taylor Swift wouldn't sell a movie like this but probably would be good for a musical movie about a typically Singer songwriter artist ala Carole king etc..

 

different kinda of performers. 

You do realize that Gaga's turn in A Star is Born was the 4th remake of the film and EVERY version of ASIB was a hit with Oscar noms. Streisand's 1976 version was the 2nd highest grossing movie of 1976 and won her an Oscar in the exact same category as Gaga.

 

Bradley and Streisand were originally going to hire Beyonce for the film until she got pregnant and dropped out. But the film would've been a hit no matter who would've starred in it.

 

Every single version of ASIB was a box office hit and got Oscar noms

 

Joker 2 is going to be a hit with or without Gaga

[James]

1 minute ago, joselowe said:

You do realize that Gaga's turn in A Star is Born was the 4th remake of the film and EVERY version of ASIB was a hit with Oscar noms. Streisand's 1976 version was the 2nd highest grossing movie of 1976 and won her an Oscar in the exact same category as Gaga.

 

Bradley and Streisand were originally going to hire Beyonce for the film until she got pregnant and dropped out. But the film would've been a hit no matter who would've starred in it.

 

Every single version of ASIB was a box office hit and got Oscar noms

 

Joker 2 is going to be a hit with or without Gaga

This is like saying that Dune 2 and Wonka which have Chalamet as a lead would have been huge regardless because of previously exiting IP so it doesn’t matter. But everyone considers him a star. It’s an absurd double standard, especially because you disregard HoG that did quite well for the kind of movie it was during a pandemic.

[joselowe]

23 minutes ago, James said:

This is like saying that Dune 2 and Wonka which have Chalamet as a lead would have been huge regardless because of previously exiting IP so it doesn’t matter. But everyone considers him a star. It’s an absurd double standard, especially because you disregard HoG that did quite well for the kind of movie it was during a pandemic.

Tim was more of an indie film star before Dune. He has done 23 films but Little Women, the Dune franchise and Wonka are his only huge box office hits. I think Wonka made him a real box office draw. Zendaya was a bigger draw for Dune 1 than Timothee, hence why Warner made her do a bulk of the promo for part 1 with Timothee despite her only being in the first film for less than 5 minutes.

[TalismanRing]

22 hours ago, dudalb said:

Uh a few good musicals have been "Jukebox Musicals" Ever hear of "Singing In the Rain" and "An American In Paris"?

Rain only had one new song "Make them Laugh" and Paris none.

Or, more recently, "Mama Mia".

 

The dancing was far more important in those 50s films more than the songs.  Can Joaquin & Gaga dance like Gene Kelly, Donald O'Connor, Cyd Charisse, Leslie Caron or even Debbie Reynolds?  No.

 

Mamma Mia was a world wide hit as a musical for over a decade before it was made into a film. It had a built in audience precisely for the music.

 

Considering they have a singer/songwriter who's biggest film had her Oscar nominated & winning music it disappointing that she didn't contribute new songs to the soundtrack especially when she has an album releasing around the same time.

 

[kayumanggi]

 

[Paul Verhoeven]

1 hour ago, joselowe said:

Tim era mais uma estrela de cinema independente antes de Duna. Ele fez 23 filmes, mas Adoráveis Mulheres, a franquia Duna e Wonka são seus únicos grandes sucessos de bilheteria. Acho que Wonka fez dele um verdadeiro chamariz de bilheteria. Zendaya foi um chamariz maior para Duna 1 do que Timothee, por isso a Warner a fez fazer a maior parte da promoção da parte 1 com Timothee, apesar de ela ter ficado no primeiro filme por menos de 5 minutos.

 

Why was Zendaya such a draw when she's never had a box office hit as a lead?

Remember that Challengers only made 2/3 of Gucci's even with much better reviews.

[excel1]

one cant just throw a pop star in a film and expect it to be a hit, but put the right star in the right role and they absolutely elevate it compared to how it would have fared with a more standard actress.

 

gaga is also very into the "artsy" side and has credibility with those people which is perfect for this type of thing. 

[Speedorito]

27 minutes ago, Paul Verhoeven said:

 

Why was Zendaya such a draw when she's never had a box office hit as a lead?

Remember that Challengers only made 2/3 of Gucci's even with much better reviews.

Zendaya starred in The Greatest Showman and two Spider-Man films before Dune: Part 1. She was obviously more well-known than Chalamet for that film. Her role was a glorified perfume ad but they plastered her all over the marketing right next to him.

 

House of Gucci is also more like Air where an it’s an adult drama that’s not quite a biopic, but it has a very familiar premise so you can’t quite say it’s really original. Also has a (formerly good) well-known director. It’s nothing like Challengers (a queer tennis that’s actually original). Or the 2021 original adult dramas like Licorice Pizza or something.

Edited September 6 by Speedorito

[dudalb]

4 hours ago, WorkingonaName said:

She literally has the biggest song on earth right now.

Sucess in one form of show business does not automatically translate into sucess in another.

[dudalb]

2 hours ago, TalismanRing said:

 

The dancing was far more important in those 50s films more than the songs.  Can Joaquin & Gaga dance like Gene Kelly, Donald O'Connor, Cyd Charisse, Leslie Caron or even Debbie Reynolds?  No.

 

Mamma Mia was a world wide hit as a musical for over a decade before it was made into a film. It had a built in audience precisely for the music.

 

Considering they have a singer/songwriter who's biggest film had her Oscar nominated & winning music it disappointing that she didn't contribute new songs to the soundtrack especially when she has an album releasing around the same time.

 

I think the whole idea is that  the charecters  lives out yheir  fantasy life in the classic musicals of MGM's GOlden Age, and naturally her fantasies would involve the songs in those movie. To have not much new material was a thematic choice.

I don't disagre about the dancing being a major part of the MGM Jukebox musiclas, but I still maintain you can have a really good "Jukebox" musical, even if the dancing is not a major part.

Problem is people want this film to be something it is not.

BTW has an actual play list been leaked yet? Now I read the the classic Garland/Fred Astair "A Couple Of Swells" ..that's the hobo number from "Easter Parade" is referenced.

Philips seems to be quite the Judy Garland fan given this and we know that Harley does "Get Happy".

Edited September 6 by dudalb

[dudalb]

3 hours ago, vale9001 said:

Pop stars sell (in some kinda of way actors too or Brad Pitt and tom Hans shouldn't have flops but they have them) the right projects for them.

 

A star is Born is a project made for a kinda of performer like lady Gaga. At some point apparently Eastwood was attached to the project with Di Caprio and Beyoncé to star. And Adele too. 

I don't know how far or less but they both have the star Power to sell a project like that as Gaga did and were right for the kinda of role.

 

Exactly like Whitney Houston sold a romantic drama about a Singer etc . Etc . But other movies weren't definitely that big.

 

Joker as musical and as a movie  with a kinda of extravanga style characters seems a perfect project She can sells. 

 

Ariana grande wouldn't sell a movie like this but feels right for Wicked. Taylor Swift wouldn't sell a movie like this but probably would be good for a musical movie about a typically Singer songwriter artist ala Carole king etc..

 

different kinda of performers. 

Gaga was just following in the footsteps of Judy Garland and Barbra Streisand there.

[HummingLemon496]

Some people on Reddit are expecting Ant-Man 3/BVS level legs

[Firepower]

14 minutes ago, HummingLemon496 said:

Some people on Reddit are expecting Ant-Man 3/BVS level legs

Not gonna happen. Both are panned and extremely front-loaded. This one is divisive, but not panned and has factors that will smooth its legs like musical aspect (musicals tend to have good legs from my memory) and healthy share of female audience because of romance angle and Gaga.

Edited September 6 by Firepower

[HummingLemon496]

4 minutes ago, Firepower said:

Not gonna happen. Both are panned and extremely front-loaded. This one is divisive, but not panned and has factors that will smooth its legs like musical aspect (musicals tend to have good legs from my memory) and healthy share of female audience because of romance angle and Gaga.

You've really been living up to your username

[wattage]

2 hours ago, Speedorito said:

Zendaya starred in The Greatest Showman and two Spider-Man films before Dune: Part 1. She was obviously more well-known than Chalamet for that film. Her role was a glorified perfume ad but they plastered her all over the marketing right next to him.

 

House of Gucci is also more like Air where an it’s an adult drama that’s not quite a biopic, but it has a very familiar premise so you can’t quite say it’s really original. Also has a (formerly good) well-known director. It’s nothing like Challengers (a queer tennis that’s actually original). Or the 2021 original adult dramas like Licorice Pizza or something.

Hugh Jack Man was in the Greatest Showman as the lead and can easily be argued to be the real drive in attendance to that movie (I think that's not true but bringing it up in the context of the argument) and Spider-Man is a known IP. And Challengers was homoerotic undertones but it was not marketed as a queer romance and it still isn't one I'd argue. That's a complicated film, many layers there. But it's an adult drama as is House of Gucci with asterisks on its performance for X Y and Z reason. 

 

Regardless, the point in why that was said was someone was arguing that Lady Gaga has no star power behind her because anyone else could have gotten the results in that role. But then not argue the same for someone like Timothee or Zendaya who also don't have any non-IP movies that are banking off their name alone that have categorically made bank. There's always an excuse you can pull up to say they weren't the real drive and anyone could take their place.

 

I think it's equally as silly to say that Zendaya was not a draw for these films as it is to try and argue that somehow Lady Gaga has no pull even with movies that she's starred in that have been successes in their own right or just straight up financial hits. 

Edited September 7 by wattage

[Felipe]

2 hours ago, Speedorito said:

Zendaya starred in The Greatest Showman and two Spider-Man films before Dune: Part 1. She was obviously more well-known than Chalamet for that film. Her role was a glorified perfume ad but they plastered her all over the marketing right next to him.

 

House of Gucci is also more like Air where an it’s an adult drama that’s not quite a biopic, but it has a very familiar premise so you can’t quite say it’s really original. Also has a (formerly good) well-known director. It’s nothing like Challengers (a queer tennis that’s actually original). Or the 2021 original adult dramas like Licorice Pizza or something.

 

Close to 40% of the audience said they came out for Lady Gaga, while 32% cited the ensemble cast of Adam Driver, Al Pacino, and Jared Leto, while 34% were intrigued by the Gucci family murder plot.

 

https://deadline.com/2021/11/encanto-house-of-gucci-resident-evil-thanksgiving-box-office-1234880192/

[dudalb]

This thread has become a good example of why ,  though I might admire someone's work greatly, I am not a "fan" of anybody. 

Being a "fan" seems to lead to over the top  and just plain stupid behavior.