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2 minutes ago, Aristis said:

@pepsa :hahaha:

(I understand what you mean though, I would have thought €12+ too. Wednesday isn't WE though, TP might rise Thu to Sun...)

Yeah I was just hoping for that €13 tickets price for an insane OD in USD ($6.67).

But believe me I am happy for the people that tickets where more reasonable!

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24 minutes ago, Charlie Jatinder said:

@Aristis what are your expected numbers for 5 days weekend (I will appreciate a day wise breakdown).

Perhaps go crazy with your approach because that's gonna happen.

The only source beside the occasional mentioning of numbers in a newspaper or... is for us Insidekino.de / insidekino.com who get only the weekly numbers regularly themselves, and what the distributor's office will release usually for an explicit reason.

 

The number stated is the Disney estimation mail

 

What else we can access is:

the ~ kino owner/worker/ex/???... forum

There we can see for big releases, what they count per cinema similar to what a lot of people provide for the buzz and tracking thread, but its organised in another way, way less big / wide spread counts, its mostly a few selected cinemas, if at all, for normal releases. A lot is comments like 'not a lot' or the weather is good / not good,... = no clear number, but in how many cinemas a movie will get released and such. Not a lot of posts per week usually.

 

There is to read:

Thursday afternoon is expected to be lower than usual for an OD for the early high midnights/Wednesday release means the usual high (no OD) at Thursday for new releases is less in comparison. But: its possible that only counts in a ~ measureable way for the smaller cinemas.

Presales at the weekend look like it wont be as much front-loaded as someone expected with a CBM/hero movie.

I think they wait themselves for more data

 

My own thought:

if all who really want to see the movie early got a seat, Sunday might be a bit more muted in comparison to average Sunday, as last day of the 2 weeks school holidays and that Sunday often gets used to clear ship at home and so on.

 

Atypical, someone provided counts for different presale dates, but its a day before counts

too long = spoiler tags. First is Mitternacht = midnights and Wednesday

orange and red = capacity full-ish and rather full, no idea for what blue stands for (I very seldom peek at their forum)

The person counts per screening type and either room or time (other movies still have their times too), so its a lot to count.

 

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Aschaffenburg:
Atmos 3D Mitternacht 193
3D OV Mitternacht 71
2D Mitternacht 87
Atmos 3D 146/215
3D 55/118/183/120
3D OV 138
2D 69/58/110/18

Bad Godesberg:
Double 3D 135
Double 3D OV 163
Atmos 3D Mitternacht 258
3D OV Mitternacht 184
2D Mitternnacht 53
Atmos 3D 246/315
3D 38/146/28/57/32
3D OV 252
2D 70/98/106/20
2D OV 153/19

Freiberg:
Double 3D 74
3D Mitternacht 44
3D OV Mitternacht 105
3D 82/119
2D 33/68

Gießen:
Atmos 3D Double 353
Double 3D 41
Double 3D OV 72
3D Atmos Mitternacht 160
3D Mitternacht 70
3D OV Mitternacht 71/22
2D Mitternacht 69
Atmos 3D 97/171/105/204/166/347/113
3D 24/53/64/33
3D OV 60/42/37/94
Atmos 2D 81
2D 51/66/78

Hanau:
Double 3D 152
Atmos 3D Mitternacht 205
3D Mitternacht 23
3D OV Mitternacht 110
2D Mitternacht 121
Atmos 3D 174/205
3D 67/136/23/60
2D 91/96/115/50/31

Koblenz:
Double 3D 230
Atmos 3D Mitternacht 237
3D Mitternacht 109
3D OV Mitternacht 83
2D Mitternacht 45
Atmos 3D 226/303
3D 64/171/56
3D OV 81
2D 64/70/28

Landshut:
Double 3D 155/43
3D Mitternacht 118
3D OV Mitternacht 70
2D Mitternacht 19
3D 69/44/93/108/236/15/10
2D 66/52

Main-Taunus:
Double 3D 206/303
Double 3D OV 177
Atmos 3D Mitternacht 368
3D Mitternacht 131
3D OV Mitternacht 139
2D LED Mitternacht 97
Atmos 3D 128/316/401
3D 103/62/107/283/100/121/94
3D OV 27/146
2D LED 71/135/69

Darmstadt:
Double 3D 262/96
Atmos 3D Mitternacht 217
3D Mitternacht 73
3D OV Mitternacht 201
2D Mitternacht 119
Atmos 3D 230/204
3D 132/70/155/98/207/110
2D 146/133

Aachen:
Double 3D 254
3D Mitternacht 401
2D OV Mitternacht 338
3D 87/182/148/396/183
2D 185/242
2D OV 304

UFA Stuttgart:
Double 2D 255/33
Double 2D OV 121
3D Mitternacht 146
2D Mitternacht 276
2D OV Mitternacht 105
3D 74/204
2D 121/194/116/180/347
2D OV 207/70

Innenstadtkinos Stuttgart:
Infinity War Atmos 3D 71
End Game Atmos 3D 102
3D OV Mitternacht 70
2D Mitternacht 125
2D OV Mitternacht 106
Atmos 3D 29/115/143
2D 44/78/129/33/207/6
2D OV 166/188/115

Waiblingen:
Double 2D 181
3D 18/13/60
2D 76/80/184

Schorndorf:
Double 2D 200
3D 11/24/80
2D 105/81/193

Backnang:
Double Atmos 2D 105
3D 4/17/35
Atmos 2D 26/108

Esslingen:
LED 3D Mitternacht 29
Double 2D 313
LED 3D 60/102
3D 20
2D 114/131/268/139

Nürtingen:
Double Atmos 2D 140
Atmos 2D Mitternacht 38
Atmos 3D 59/94
3D 52
Atmos 2D 133
2D 61

Leonberg:
Atmos 3D Mitternacht 126
Atmos 2D OV Mitternacht 97
Double Atmos 2D 90/218
Atmos 3D 105/93/149
Atmos 2D 81/94/202

Biberach:
Double 2D 151/92
3D 17/28/63
2D 77/142/103

Ludwigsburg:
Double 3D 110
3D 109/125
2D 88/171

Ulm:
Double Atmos 2D 176
2D OV Mitternacht 135
3D 61/53
Atmos 2D 110/154/69
2D 116/168/213
2D OV 172

Cinecitta schaff ich leider nicht mehr.

Citydome Darmstadt:
Double 3D OV 72
2D OV Mitternacht 105
3D OV 61/84/133/106
2D 17/16/110

 

 

2nd is for Thursday's, posted at Wednesday (he/she was the one with the Thursday afternoon comment)

 

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Aschaffenburg:
Endgame Atmos 3D 132/207
Endgame 3D 13/74/130/58
Endgame OV 36
Endgame Atmos 2D 38
Endgame 2D 41/92

Bad Godesberg:
Endgame Atmos 3D 174/258
Endgame 3D 23/30/97/42/31
Endgame 3D OV 229
Endgame Atmos 2D 301 (Wake-Up!)
Endgame 2D 60/112
Endgame 2D OV 105/7
letzter Job 2

Freiberg:
Endgame 3D 4/42/107
Endgame 2D 10/48

Gießen:
Endgame Atmos 3D 94/191/135/338/109
Endgame 3D 10/17/38/22
Endgame 3D OV 15/90/43
Endgame 2D 7/35/88/7

Hanau:
Endgame Atmos 3D 41/162/215
Endgame 3D 49/39/134/57
Endgame 3D OV 73
Endgame 2D 34/38/103/16

Koblenz:
Endgame Atmos 3D 163/284
Endgame 3D 41/108/33/96
Endgame 3D OV 42
Endgame Atmos 2D 293 (Wake-Up!)
Endgame 2D 22/125/31
Endgame 2D OV 35

Landshut:
Endgame 3D 14/20/43/184/97/10/2
Endgame 2D 68/41
Endgame 2D OV 44
Tea with Dames 0

Main-Taunus:
Endgame Atmos 3D 49/202/404
Endgame 3D 20/5/71/20/145/86/243/118/54
Endgame 3D OV 146
Endgame LED 2D 27/141/93

Rhein-Neckar gab es schon

Darmstadt:
Endgame Atmos 3D 194/252
Endgame 3D 91/88/143/90/98
Endgame 2D 67/129

Aachen:
Endgame 3D 31/88/164/332/105
Endgame 3D OV 207
Endgame 2D 73/126/291
Endgame 2D OV 214
letzter Job 2/2

UFA Stuttgart:
Endgame 3D 15/27/177
Endgame 2D 16/148/11/20/55/270/0/98
Endgame 2D OV 75

Innenstadtkinos Stuttgart:
Endgame Atmos 3D 25/68/106
Endgame 3D OV 157
Endgame 2D 8/15/62/117/160
Endgame 2D OV 103
letzter Job 0

Waiblingen:
Endgame 3D 2/8/29
Endgame 2D 16/16/183

Schorndorf:
Endgame 3D 0/2/22
Endgame 2D 37/22/193

Backnang:
Endgame 3D 0/5/11
Endgame Atmos 2D 7/102
Endgame 2D 2

Esslingen:
Endgame LED 3D 7/40
Endgame 3D 5/16
Endgame 2D 29/21/40/264/109

Nürtingen:
Endgame Atmos 3D 5/27
Endgame 3D 10
Endgame Atmos 2D 21/153
Endgame 2D 18/17

Leonberg:
Endgame Atmos 3D 36/53/47/135
Endgame Atmos 2D 7/19/29/36/184

Biberach:
Endgame 3D 0/5/8
Endgame 2D 2/7/13/145/47

Ludwigsburg:
Endgame 3D 53/106
Endgame 2D 58/93

Ulm:
Endgame 3D 7/14
Endgame Atmos 2D 52/137/41
Endgame 2D 28/67/171
Endgame 2D OV 145

Cinecitta leider nicht geschafft!

Citydome Darmstadt:
Endgame 3D OV 86/125/88
Endgame 2D 20/14/70
 

 

 

I wont count and compare those, but maybe someone else want to?

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The estimated Thursday number is 280k. That's only the estimated number but in the South-West-report (that counts the admissions in some selected theaters) it had today 6.397 admissions. And that's really good. Normal blockbusters have 3k or 4k e.g. Pirates of the Caribbean 5 had 3.991 admissions and 200k admissions OD. A: IW e.g. had 4.753 admissions and the actual OD number was 225k admissions.
 

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11 hours ago, JimiQ said:

$70M total locked? :sparta:

No, with better exchange rates surely.

$50M are locked and $60M likely.

for $70M ≈ €63 -> 5.5M (avg ticket price €11.46) that's a little too high.

 

 

11 hours ago, HouseOfTheSun said:

Damn those are some expensive tickets 

Not really, ticket price is actually lower than expected.

 

10 hours ago, Aristis said:

@pepsa :hahaha:

(I understand what you mean though, I would have thought €12+ too. Wednesday isn't WE though, TP might rise Thu to Sun...)

At least not in the cinestar nearby I think they had same ticket price for Wednesday-Sunday.

 

11 hours ago, Aristis said:

Sadly, since there's no daily numbers for Germany, I don't really know how the pattern is...

My guess would be something like

Wed 458k / 458k (heavily inflated by midnights probably)

Thu 250k / 710k

Fri 350k / 1,06M

Sat 425k / 1,48M

Sun 375k / 1,86M

--> 1,4M 4-day / 1,86M 5-day

 

But I really have no clue - and I'm not the right person to ask for crazy predictions :D

this looks pretty good, hope that Saturday could be a little stronger due to the bad weather and considering that the highest Saturdays ever were probably around 800k or higher (HP1 etc.).

 

 

 

11 hours ago, pepsa said:

You see this is what I mean with low ATP, TLJ did 20k less admission but 200k more in Euro. 

I mean the ticket price is still crazy in comparison with most of the other prices over the world but I was expecting €12 tickets. 

 

TLJ, TFA is about 130k ahead / €1.6M

 

 

11 hours ago, Aristis said:

Biggest OD:

 

OD admissions / € / day / title / OD admissions i.P. before midnight

1 616.021     Mi. LOTR3    
2 613.462     Mi. LOTR2    
3 585.586     Do. SW1    
4 562.319 6.675.000   Do. SW7    
5 461.024     Do. Skyfall 689.541  
6 460.102     Do. (T)Raumschiff Surprise 625.000  
7 458.000 5.057.000   Mi. AEG    
8 435.258 5.253.000   Do. SW8    
9 434.586     Do. HP1    
10 425.966     Mi. LOTR1    
11 420.320     Do. POTC2    
12 406.692     Do. Fack Ju Göhte 2    

 

http://www.insidekino.de/DJahr/DBOStarttag.htm

Yeah, he finally has an OD list too (his side is just incredible) or was I just too stupid to see it beforehand.

 

 

10 hours ago, pepsa said:

Yeah I was just hoping for that €13 tickets price for an insane OD in USD ($6.67).

But believe me I am happy for the people that tickets where more reasonable!

Still wouldn't have been the highest ever...

 

 

17 minutes ago, el sid said:

The estimated Thursday number is 280k. That's only the estimated number but in the South-West-report (that counts the admissions in some selected theaters) it had today 6.397 admissions. And that's really good. Normal blockbusters have 3k or 4k e.g. Pirates of the Caribbean 5 had 3.991 admissions and 200k admissions OD. A: IW e.g. had 4.753 admissions and the actual OD number was 225k admissions.
 

That would be a nice Thursday number.

458k

280k

350k

450k

375k

1455k/1913k (for €16.5M ≈ $18.4M on 4-day and €21.55M ≈ $24M for 5-day)

 

That would put the 4-day in € only behind TFA and TLJ and the 5-day behind only TFA (4-day).

Though OW will be a different picture, TFAs is €37.52m (25.345m OW and then €12.17m on the three weekdays), Endgame could do a 21-22m for Thursday to Wednesday (Mon-Wed 4.5-5.5m) which would translate to a 26-27m 8-day OW or a 25-26m 7-day OW (Wednesday-Tuesday)

 

 

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Friday:

3D 14:00: 42 / 296

3D 17:30: 175 / 425

3D 20:15: 338 / 572 (59.1% over Double Feature 30 min after it started)

3D 20:15: 151 / 322

3D 22:00: 160 / 425

2D 16:15: 77 / 572

2D 19:30: 216 / 425

Total: 1159 / 3037 -> 38.2% (+571 it had 588 48 hours ago)

 

Saturday:

3D 14:00: 89 / 296

3D 17:30: 143 / 425

3D 20:15: 290 / 572

3D 20:15: 130 / 322

3D 22:00: 115 / 425

3D 22:00: 51 / 279

2D 16:15: 97 / 572

2D 19:30: 186 / 425

Total: 1101 / 3316 -> 33.2% (+548 it had 553 48 hours ago)

 

Sunday:

OV - 3D 20:15: 62 / 322

3D 14:00: 101 / 296

3D 17:30: 128 / 425

3D 20:15: 136 / 572

2D 12:00: 34 / 572

2D 16:15: 124 / 572

2D 19:30: 54 /425

Total: 639 / 3184 -> 20% (+351 it had 288 48 hours ago)

 

FSS: 2899 / 9537 -> 30.4% (+1470)

 

Missed counting yesterday evening which would have been really useful now, sorry.

Presales for Wednesday itself at 00:01 on the same day were 585, that would mean Friday is twice as big, so maybe we could be in for a 400-450k Friday?

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6 hours ago, el sid said:

The estimated Thursday number is 280k. That's only the estimated number but in the South-West-report (that counts the admissions in some selected theaters) it had today 6.397 admissions. And that's really good. Normal blockbusters have 3k or 4k e.g. Pirates of the Caribbean 5 had 3.991 admissions and 200k admissions OD. A: IW e.g. had 4.753 admissions and the actual OD number was 225k admissions.
 

Thu should end up  around 320 maybe bit more something around lc3.6

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6 minutes ago, RtheEnd said:

Thu should end up  around 320 maybe bit more something around lc3.6

Going to try a little experiment here:  

 

Happiness counter: +2=2

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1st Trend on InsideKino:

 

AEG: 1,44M (4-day), 1,9M (5-day)

  --> such huge OW are hard to predict, his range for the 5-day is 1,8M to 2,1M. Weather is much worse since today which should clearly help AEG.

17 years after SM1 an other Marvel movie would be able to top its 1,41M OW! AEG will enter the TOP10 biggest OW in € and the five day will probably be the 2nd biggest behind SW7.

5-day WE looking like $23M+, AIW was $14,7M...

 

After 100k

Serial (Bad) Wedding2 85k

Collini 75k

Wonder Park 60k

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1 hour ago, Plunsch said:

Glad to see that the German box office is alive. 

That's a bit premature, one single hit in a hitherto undewhelming year (after an already disastrous 2018) is too little but at least it shows that people still do go to the movies under the right circumstances.

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And some Thursday actuals (source Blickpunkt:Film):

The new releases:
 

Avengers: Endgame (released in 707 theaters): 311k admissions/3.899M US$ - for comparison: A:IW had OD 225k admissions and 1.075.122 admissions OW (plus as already mentioned the weather is predicted to become worse OW, better said it's already grey where I live).
No other new released film in the Top 20.
 

The holdovers:

After: 20k (actuals last Thursday 37k)
Monsieur Claude 2: 13k (18k)
Der Fall Collini: 12k (17k)
Wonder Park: 11k

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1 hour ago, IndustriousAngel said:

That's a bit premature, one single hit in a hitherto undewhelming year (after an already disastrous 2018) is too little but at least it shows that people still do go to the movies under the right circumstances.

Yes, but I'm optimistic looking at the rest of the year. Lion king, Aladdin, star wars 9 should do fine business 

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8 hours ago, RtheEnd said:

Thu should end up  around 320 maybe bit more something around lc3.6

 

44 minutes ago, el sid said:

And some Thursday actuals (source Blickpunkt:Film):

The new releases:
 

Avengers: Endgame (released in 707 theaters): 311k admissions/3.899M US$ - for comparison: A:IW had OD 225k admissions and 1.075.122 admissions OW (plus as already mentioned the weather is predicted to become worse OW, better said it's already grey where I live).
No other new released film in the Top 20.
 

The holdovers:

After: 20k (actuals last Thursday 37k)
Monsieur Claude 2: 13k (18k)
Der Fall Collini: 12k (17k)
Wonder Park: 11k

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Bloody hell that is amazing

458k

311k

So Friday around 375k (at least Presales since the start have been stronger for Friday and the main show has sold more than the Double Feature or the main show on Wednesday and it's colder like almost 10 °C than yesterday so that should clearly help)

475k Saturday

375k Sunday (presales are lagging a little everywhere)

for 1536k / 1994k

 

Or maybe Friday 25k higher and Saturday 25k lower.

 

 

Also:

The last week (so up until Od of Endgame) was the year prior the worst week (top 10 only had 455k admissions over all 7 days, Endgame had 458k adm. on Opening Day and the weekend itself was also a lot better with 561k adm. sold (only Top 10) so the whole week probably was around 1.2m adm.

And this weekend last year was roughly 2.3m, this weekend alone should get somewhat close (probably 2.1 ±0.1m adm.) so the whole week should be around 3m adm hopefully more as 1st May is the Wednesday.

So maybe this year finally will be able to really get ahead of last year.

 

Furthermore with 2m adm. sold over the whole 5-day for Endgame, Disney this year will already be at ~6.85-6.9m adm. (last year final 12.4m adm.) and the year still has The Lion King, Frozen and SW IX who all should at least get to 3m and then Aladin which should get close and Toy Story 4.

And 3m would be pretty abmysal for the first three especially.

 

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Trend:
Bei Monster-Starts gilt wie immer, dass eine kleine Abweichung von 5 % schon 100T Besucher Unterschied ausmachen kann, deswegen ist der erste Trend mit Vorsicht zu genießen. Aber wir können uns definitiv an der Tatsache erfreuen, dass es in Deutschland mal wieder einen Monster-Start gibt...
Demnach könnte Avengers - Endgame bis Sonntag etwa 1,9 Mio. Besucher zählen (tatsächlich ist alles zwischen 1,8 Mio. bis 2,1 Mio. Besucher möglich). Das eigentliche Wochenende ist natürlich der beste Start des Jahres, der zweitbeste April-Start aller Zeiten, wäre der neuntbeste Start aller Zeiten nach Umsatz und Platz 40 der besten Starts aller Zeiten. Letztgenannte Position ist besonders interessant, da das Fourquel den besten Start eines "echten" Marvel-Films hätte (die Men in Black-Filme sind ja kein Marvel-Eigengewächs) und den 17 Jahre alten Startrekord von Spider-Man (1.409.004) brechen würde.
Die Top Five dürften After Passion (100T), Monsieur Claude 2 (85T), Der Fall Collini (75T) und Willkommen im Wunder Park (60T) ausfüllen. Auch hier sind die Trends noch recht unsicher, da das Wetter von Donnerstag auf Freitag kippt - diese Filme haben also auch noch Raum zu wachsen...

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With monster starts, as always, a small deviation of 5% can already make a 100T visitor difference, so the first trend should be treated with caution. But we can definitely enjoy the fact that there is another monster start in Germany ...
According to this, Avengers - Endgame could count about 1.9 million visitors by Sunday (in fact, anything between 1.8 million and 2.1 million visitors is possible). The actual weekend is, of course, the best start of the year, the second best April start of all time, would be the ninth best start of all time by revenue and ranked 40th of the best launches of all time. The latter position is particularly interesting as the Fourquel would have the best start of a "real" Marvel movie (the Men in Black movies are not Marvel's own) and break the 17-year-old Spider-Man start record (1.409.004) would.
The Top Five are expected to complete After Passion (100T), Monsieur Claude 2 (85T), The Collini Case (75T) and Welcome to the Miracle Park (60T). Again, the trends are still quite uncertain, as the weather tilts from Thursday to Friday - so these films also have room to grow ...

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7 minutes ago, RtheEnd said:

Thru Friday looking at around 13.5m, 1.2m admits

458k

311k

~430k

 

Presales at local cinema for Saturday and Sunday:

Saturday:

3D 14:00: 117 / 296

3D 17:30: 176 / 425

3D 20:15: 355 / 572

3D 20:15: 155 / 322

3D 22:00: 143 / 425

3D 22:00: 104 / 279

2D 16:15: 150 / 572

2D 19:30: 220 / 425

Total: 1420 / 3316 -> 42.8% (+319 in last 24h)

 

Sunday:

OV - 3D 20:15: 79 / 322

3D 14:00: 133 / 296

3D 17:30: 161 / 425

3D 20:15: 165 / 572

2D 12:00: 56 / 572

2D 16:15: 150 / 572

2D 19:30: 79 /425

Total: 823 / 3184 -> 25.8% (+184 in last 24h)

 

Presales at midnight of Friday for Friday were 1159, so Saturday is +22.5%

Sunday on the other hand is 25.2% below the number of adm. For Saturday yesterday.

 

And using a 430k Friday

 

It would get us too

525k Saturday

390k Sunday

That would be an 4-day OWend of 1655k (that would be over TLJ 1627k) and a 5-day of 2113k (which would be just about 25k below the OWend of TFA (though that was a 4-day))

 

If we take a 410k Friday /for a little less than 1.2m

500k Saturday

375k Sunday

 

For a 4-day of 1595k and a 5-day of 2053k (which still would be absolutely amazing).

 

And the 4-day would be above what I thought the 4-day would be and also if this comes true then Wednesday pushed the expectation for the Weekend higher, Thursday did it, now Friday is doing it, I really don't want to imagine what happens if Saturday would do it too (and Sunday).

 

 

Also, I will start a Pika Pika preview count tonight, but I don't think I will post the update daily here, the next will probably be like in a week.

 

Wednesday 8 May 20:00: 51 / 425 -> 12%

 

 

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