wildphantom Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Just now, Brainbug said: Yeah Dead Reckoning is not a bomb. The Flash, Indy 5, Haunted Mansion those are bombs. Dead Reckoning is a major underperformer for sure, but "bomb" is a word that should be reserved for the true misfires. underperformer* *in the US of A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRing Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 21 minutes ago, wildphantom said: but is it the least popular one in the world, or just in the US? Asking on behalf of the rest of most countries around the rest of the world where it has done great. Even with appalling exchange rates from local currency to dollar compared to most of the rest of the franchise. You guys were off 20% or so percent in attendance because ‘reasons’. Not our problem! We were also fine with the title and look forward to seeing the second film with the same, if not greater numbers. It's not just the US though. WW it's going to come in under Fallout's $791m by at least $200m. It's fallen well short in other large markets - South Korea, Germany, France, and the big one China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 1 minute ago, TalismanRing said: It's fallen well short in other large markets - South Korea, Germany, France, and the big one China Lots of Hollywood movies aren’t performing well in China anymore. That’s not unique to this franchise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRing Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Squire said: Lots of Hollywood movies aren’t performing well in China anymore. That’s not unique to this franchise. Sure but other films are also regularly getting blasted for not doing as well as they should because of no China. Regardless it's not just the US or China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, emoviefan said: This all the way. Some people on this forum just want to make me bang my head on a wall. Probably r/boxoffice transplants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildphantom Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TalismanRing said: It's not just the US though. WW it's going to come in under Fallout's $791m by at least $200m. It's fallen well short in other large markets - South Korea, Germany, France, and the big one China I’m not even going to talk about China. It’s a different world now where western films just don’t do what they did a few years ago. Which you know. France, bigger than 2, 3, 4 and 5 UK - biggest in the whole franchise. Europe it all adds up to a great performance. Take China out of the equation - like we have to now for everything - and with the exception of the US which imo has let it down to the tune of about $60 million - it’s basically done what all the successful MI movies have done. Edited August 13, 2023 by wildphantom 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRing Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, wildphantom said: I’m not even going to talk about China. It’s a different world now where western films just don’t do what they did a few years ago. Which you know. France, bigger than 4, 5 and 6 UK - biggest in the whole franchise. Europe it all adds up to a great performance. Take China out of the equation - like we have to now for everything - and with the exception of the US which imo has let it down to the tune of about $60 million - it’s basically done what all the successful MI movies have done. You were just complaining about exchange rates working against it but won't acknowledge inflation? Even in just the last 5 years it's been nuts but comparing it to a film that came out more than a decade ago? I'm not saying it's a bomb - it should come close to 2x it's budget which was COVID inflated and should do well in ancillaries. But the US alone is not the reason the reason it's under performed. Edited August 13, 2023 by TalismanRing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 45 minutes ago, wildphantom said: but is it the least popular one in the world, or just in the US? Asking on behalf of the rest of most countries around the rest of the world where it has done great. Even with appalling exchange rates from local currency to dollar compared to most of the rest of the franchise. You guys were off 20% or so percent in attendance because ‘reasons’. Not our problem! We were also fine with the title and look forward to seeing the second film with the same, if not greater numbers. further to this ludicrous notion that DR1 has somehow not done well relative to budget, did you consider the literal miracle they pulled off even finishing with what happened to them during this shoot? That they managed to finish it and it be so good is a testament to Paramount and the whole production for leading the way as far as getting movies going again. The budget itself factually is massively inflated because it took them years to make it due to an event nobody could have forseen. Paramount would have greenlit it, thinking a back to back shoot for two films would save them money overall. That didn’t happen because of the circumstances we all lived through, but it’s absurd to suggest Paramount did much wrong except maybe bungle the release date slightly. Like I said though, in most territories it’s done very well - with the budget kind of irrelevant (which you can also say for several other tent poles this summer that were in a similar pandemic shoot situation). I mean the original 3 are from an entirely different time of OS grosses, so hard to compare. Certainly the least popular of the “modern” MIs though. And it doesn’t really matter why the budget was inflated if they don’t turn a profit. That’s what they care about. Paramount did screw up too with a terrible name for marketing purposes, a terrible release date between two other massively older and male skewed big budget releases, and overall not doing much for the marketing campaign. So they’re not innocent in the performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Fallout did 190M China+Russia. 600M WW should have been the expectation for DR1. It won't end much below that I think. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildphantom Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, TalismanRing said: You were just complaining about exchange rates working against it but won't acknowledge inflation? Even in just the last 5 years it's been nuts but comparing it to a film that came out more than a decade ago? I'm not saying it's a bomb - it should come close to 2x it's budget which was COVID inflated and should do well in ancillaries. But the US alone is not the reason the reason it's under performed. relative to exchange rates for some of the others yeah. inflation doesn’t really come into it so much when local currency is so much weaker than it has been for some of the previous movies. The difference in exchange rates across all MI titles in the various years of the past two decades are wild. If you guys were subject to having your dollar performance judged converted to other currencies when the dollar was weaker you might see the MI ranking for the US markedly different than it is. I stand by it. MI7 has done very well in lots of the world to make up for the shortfall in the US and especially China. As well as the last movie? No. Very well? Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAtGender Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Kinda wild how Disney went from complete box office dominance pre pandemic to now Like they’ll only have one film in the top 5 probably and that’s because it’s the end of a sub franchise Even accounting for Covid it’s shocking to see how dry the well is after 2019 dominance The best thing they have on the block is Avatar which is a surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issac Newton Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Global Weekend Released on Just one Market, Chinese Thriller "No More Bets" took No.1 with $244M with $99.5M FSS - adj with MI7 Strategy - (Previews started on Sat &Sun while officially opens on Tuesday) Current Forecast is of $511M Barbie Leading No.2 with $78.8M FSS/$1.184B Total &3rd by Meg 2 - $56.4M FSS/$257M Total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonwo Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 12 minutes ago, BadAtGender said: Kinda wild how Disney went from complete box office dominance pre pandemic to now Like they’ll only have one film in the top 5 probably and that’s because it’s the end of a sub franchise Even accounting for Covid it’s shocking to see how dry the well is after 2019 dominance The best thing they have on the block is Avatar which is a surprise 2019 TBF was really a fluke that could never be repeated, it doesn't mean they're doomed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Wang Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Brainbug said: Yeah Dead Reckoning is not a bomb. The Flash, Indy 5, Haunted Mansion those are bombs. Dead Reckoning is a major underperformer for sure, but "bomb" is a word that should be reserved for the true misfires. It’s not a real bomb, more like sparkling flop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The GOAT Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Issac Newton said: Is he alluded to his own movie or ….? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 It’s hard to cite Avatar 3 as an upcoming bright spot for Disney when it’s JC and that means it could very easily be the end of the decade before we actually see it. They can’t count on him to have any kind of real timetable for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Theaters Enjoyer Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 2019 having almost its entire top 10 pass a billion is one of those unicorn moments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TMP Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, Issac Newton said: I’ll be surprised if i see a worse movie this year than shazam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
