Christmas-New Year Weekdays Thread (12/26-28)

[Kon]

2 minutes ago, Borobudur said:

Even if the movie is following Ali, it would still hit 100m, somewhere 104m but the hold has been weaker. So the best received movie of the season somehow has the worst multiplier??? 

Unfortunately, good WOM means little is there is no interest in the concept of the movie.

 

The situation would be "I believe you it's a good movie, but I'm not interested".

[AniNate]

12 minutes ago, Kon said:

 

TCP isn't really more appealing to men. It's just that over 25 years old men (21%) is still bigger audience than under 25 years old women (14%).

 

TCP really fails to attract a younger audience.

 

 

 

Ok yeah, this makes more sense. I don't know what people thought I was implying saying I found it hard to believe. 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by AniNate

[filmlover]

15 minutes ago, Borobudur said:

So the best received movie of the season somehow has the worst multiplier??? 

It's pretty obvious we're in a significantly weaker climate for moviegoing (gone are the days when the annual box office was over $10B+ quite easily like it was pre-COVID) where a portion of the audience that helped power the numbers past that mark has simply disappeared. The hits were always the exceptions and not the rules, but even more so now where it's hard to get people excited about the community experience of moviegoing minus said exceptions.

Edited December 28, 2023 by filmlover

[Wandavisionlover0924]

Looking at Hidden Figures which I guess is the best scenario for TCP. It had a much more diverse crowd ( 43 percent white, 37 percent Black) but it also skewed older as well with 56 percent 35 and older. I wonder if younger black audiences are less likely to watch movies about Black people struggles than older black people.

 

 

[Morieris]

2 minutes ago, Wandavisionlover0924 said:

I wonder if younger black audiences are less likely to watch movies about Black people struggles than older black people.

 

I know I am. I'm not against watching serious subject matter, but I feel for the longest time that's all we had that made it to the mainstream, especially in the US.

 

  I don't mind it if it's from a different country because that's fundamentally different than what i'd see as a Black American.

 

I'd rather have a mix, but currently I'll gravitate to at least satire and biting commentary about the American Black experience.

[M37]

19 minutes ago, Unfitclock said:

How are the sales looking today compared to yesterday 

Most films should be basically flat with Wed (+/-5%). There’s not much difference between these two days if they are between Boxing Day and NY Eve 

[grim22]

4 minutes ago, Wandavisionlover0924 said:

Looking at Hidden Figures which I guess is the best scenario for TCP. It had a much more diverse crowd ( 43 percent white, 37 percent Black) but it also skewed older as well with 56 percent 35 and older. I wonder if younger black audiences are less likely to watch movies about Black people struggles than older black people.

 

 

 

It's also a musical which is another hurdle it has to overcome. There will be audience members whose interest in watching it will dissipate just due to that factor. Musicals still have a uphill climb especially with Wonka doing well to capture that audience.

[Pinacolada]

Good for Anyone But You. Hats off to Sony. Happy to eat crow. Hopefully these legs keep up

[filmlover]

Hidden Figures was primarily about NASA/the Space Race, which gave it a "cool" factor that movies like The Color Purple, Green Book, etc. will never have based on differences in subject matter alone. In retrospect, it really isn't a surprise that movie ended up managing to attract a pretty diverse audience (and turned into a really big hit as a result).

[eeetooki]

1 hour ago, Morieris said:

 

Unless it's a superhero (BP, Spider-Verse) or supernatural horror-esque (Get Out), white people don't really show up for "Black" movies.  Personally, TCP always seemed so distressing to the point where I didn't want to see it either.

 

I saw the trailer, thought it looked like a fun movie, looked up the plot of the book and found out some of it is just really disturbing. Instantly changed my mind about watching it. I also think people just want to watch something light and fun and warm during the holidays.

[Morieris]

1 minute ago, eeetooki said:

 

I saw the trailer, thought it looked like a fun movie, looked up the plot of the book and found out some of it is just really disturbing. Instantly changed my mind about watching it. I also think people just want to watch something light and fun and warm during the holidays.

 

See me too, because I had heard of it before but never knew the details...then it turned into "ykw I saw Halle in TLM, I'll see Wonka instead."*

 

 

*She did not see Wonka either.

[Tina]

These TCP numbers are very disappointing. I’m a 28 year old black woman who enjoyed the movie. I don’t see myself seeing it again though. The directing is very uninspired (especially the pacing) and the musical numbers aren’t integrated well in the movie. I preferred the Broadway version.

However, it’s very sad how a Tony awarded musical based on a popular book can only interest one demographic (older black women). This box office performance will further prove that “black” movies can’t have a wide appeal in the box office unless it’s superhero or horror. Just sad all around.

[eeetooki]

Did a big part of TCP's budget go towards the set and period costume, or was it the cast? 100M budget's gonna be really hard to break even.

[titanic2187]

18 hours ago, AniNate said:

I wonder if Iron Claw even took A24 by surprise. Seems like they didn't anticipate the rave reactions it received, not playing it at any film festivals and only lifting the review embargo a week before its wide release.

 

I don't think it is Iron Claw that took A24 by surprise. They worked with Sean Durkin for the Florida Project before. I think it is Past Lives that took A24 by surprise. That movie has a strange but deservedly long staying power that A24 has to seriously taking care of it after all. 

 

1 hour ago, JonathanMB said:

 

Maintaining a daily PTA of $900-1000 is pretty impressive, probably means it should hold onto most of those theaters until at least the 1/12. Should be around $35-36M by Sunday, which off a $2M weekend should be enough to reach $40M.

 

Not only hold onto the current location. GKIDS show expand them back to above 1000. The same Wednesday in 2017 garnered $60m+ but this Wednesday is only about 60% of 2017's level. Surely there are plenty of underfilled halls should be given up to a better performer. 

 

1 hour ago, Tina said:

The general audience is even more fragmented than before. 

 

That is why I've been saying. It is not only streaming that killed theatrical experience. It is also the our society which has becoming more and more lonelist. I mean, why bother make a trip to cinema if you are ended up watching a movie alone there? 

 

45 minutes ago, JonathanMB said:

Here's how the movies have increased/decreased from their Saturday numbers to Wednesday numbers:

 

Wonka - +14.29%

 

To be frank I was expecting more from Wonka after the whole "Happy birthday to Tim" trending on Twitter. 

[AniNate]

1 minute ago, titanic2187 said:

They worked with Sean Durkin for the Florida Project

 

That was Sean Baker

[BoxOfficeFangrl]

7 minutes ago, Wandavisionlover0924 said:

Looking at Hidden Figures which I guess is the best scenario for TCP. It had a much more diverse crowd ( 43 percent white, 37 percent Black) but it also skewed older as well with 56 percent 35 and older. I wonder if younger black audiences are less likely to watch movies about Black people struggles than older black people.

 

 

Hidden Figures has Kevin Costner and Jim Parsons and Kirsten Dunst in supporting roles and is rated PG, so not a "trauma porn" story which broadens its appeal. But even there Black social critic types lumped in certain HF scenes as following "white savior" tropes and said it soft peddled the racism. The same people complaining about too much Black trauma on films, so I doubt there's any satisfying them.

 

But seven years is a lifetime ago in moviegoing, a lot of casual audiences cannot be bothered anymore and The Color Purple only seems to be an "event" for one demo. I truly hope this movie is more of a weekend thing but this collapse is really dispiriting.

[titanic2187]

Just now, AniNate said:

 

That was Sean Baker

Thanks for correction. I thought they are the same guy going by their first name. But my point stand, Iron claw definitely appear more Oscar-friendlier than Past Lives based on its cover.  

[PlatnumRoyce]

1 hour ago, Morieris said:

 

Unless it's a superhero (BP, Spider-Verse) or supernatural horror-esque (Get Out), white people don't really show up for "Black" movies.  Personally, TCP always seemed so distressing to the point where I didn't want to see it either.

I don't think the superhero point is accurate. Black Panther was simply an outlier crazy breakout hit that can't be generalized from to superheros as a genre. Spider-verse 1, like Hancock or Suicide Squad, didn't play as a "black movie," it played as a superhero movie with a black protagonist and didn't generate a notable demo split.

 

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As we mentioned previously, exit demos for Spider-Verse were 67% non-families, with men 25+ repping 41% of moviegoers, followed by men under 25 at 26%. Both enjoyed the movie, with men under 25 giving it 96% and men over 25 a 91% positive score. Boys under 12 outnumbered girls 70% to 30% in turnout. Diversity demos were 43% Caucasian, 21% Hispanic, 16% African-American and 15% Asian.

I think Spider-verse was significantly helped by the marketing being able to show the film as a "team-up" film between Myles Morales and slob-Parker. I don't think something like a "Static Shock" movie would see this demo split. 

[Kon]

22 minutes ago, PlatnumRoyce said:

I don't think the superhero point is accurate. Black Panther was simply an outlier crazy breakout hit that can't be generalized from to superheros as a genre. Spider-verse 1, like Hancock or Suicide Squad, didn't play as a "black movie," it played as a superhero movie with a black protagonist and didn't generate a notable demo split.

 

I think Spider-verse was significantly helped by the marketing being able to show the film as a "team-up" film between Myles Morales and slob-Parker. I don't think something like a "Static Shock" movie would see this demo split. 

Spider-verse movies are an interesting case, because none of the films have attracted a big percentage of African-American audience.

 

Instead, Black Panther really attracted a bigger Black American audience than any other MCU movie. That said, I think superheroes genre (and MCU brand) being at its peak probably influenced the African-American community interest in BP.

Edited December 28, 2023 by Kon

[Borobudur]

23 minutes ago, Kon said:

Spider-verse movies are an interesting case, because none of the films have attracted a big percentage of African-American audience.

 

Instead, Black Panther really attracted a bigger Black American audience than any other MCU movie. That said, I think superheroes genre (and MCU brand) being at its peak probably influenced the African-American community interest in BP.

To non-Black, Black panther is an important MCU character and event, leading up to IW. To black, it is their cultural event. It is the common interest from both group that supercharge BP into 700m juggernaut.