Weekend Numbers | actuals | 80.01M G×K: THE NEW EMPIRE | 11.35M DUNE II

[AniNate]

4 hours ago, MightyDargon said:

Not like now, they weren't.

 

Tornadoes are more or less flat since the original was released, with a few high outlier years in between 

 

U.S. number of tornadoes 2022 | Statista

 

More to the point, the disaster itself isn't where the escapism appeal came from with the original, it was the adrenaline rush of living through the storm chaser characters looking to get up close to them. The movie still treats it as a serious tragic matter when the tornadoes impact innocent civilians, and the humanitarian heroism of helping people escape and survive I think has universal, eternal resonance.

 

 

Edited March 31 by AniNate

[von Kenni]

1 hour ago, excel1 said:

 

Agreed x 1000000. JOKER also functioned as the quasi sequel we always wanted needed and never had to Ledger's iconic take.

 

 

[Porthos]

Joker 2 might be the biggest wild card in movies since.... Well, Avatar 2.

 

...

 

Oh that's why some of the arguments sounded so familiar. 

 

[Porthos]

Just now, Porthos said:

Joker 2 might be the biggest wild card in movies since.... Well, Avatar 2.

 

...

 

Oh that's why some of the arguments sounded so familiar. 

 

 

So here's the thing about the OG Joker. In some respects it's completely inexplicable how the hell it got 1b WW.  It's a Scorsese-esque R-rated psychological thriller that is a CBM in pretty much name only.  

 

(on the other hand... it might be a Graphic Novel Movie.  So we're back to splitting hairs)

 

To this day, I'm still a bit torn on calling it a CBM if only because current day CBMs have all sorts of Cape/CGI connotations/expectations.  Then again, if the Western can have such a disparate entires in its pantheon, then so too can the CBM.

 

But because Joker has so few recent antecedents, either within the CBM-genre or within R-rated psychological thrillers, it's... damned difficult to figure out just how well a sequel will do even before you throw in the curveball that is the musical aspect.  Was this a case of lightning in a bottle?  Or was this a case of tapping into an underserved set of consumers who will shell out money for an encore if it's just as good?

 

Was this a case of hitting just the right set of cultural chords at just the right time? Even if so, has society become any... hmmm... "less like 2019 in the last five years?" might be a polite way to ask it.  If anything, society might even be more frazzled and on-edge and angsty than it was pre-'rona.  But if so, is this the sort of catharsis they're looking for?

 

None clue. Like, you tell me that Joker 2 does 1.1b WW, and I'd believe you.  You tell me it does 700m WW, I also believe you.  Hell, you tell me it does 500m WW, and I also believe you (mostly because of the curveball aspect).

 
Speaking of which, if we eyeball adjust for inflation, I suppose the last R-rated film in even a vaguely related area to do as well as Joker would be, what?  Se7en?  The Silence of the Lambs?  Kinda think Silence of the Lambs might be the best, most on point, comparison.  And perhaps a cautionary tale of sequels to out of nowhere phenomenons. 

 

"Psychological thriller" is a pretty loose fitting definition, I realize.  And at the same time, setting the bar at "R-rated" means  cutting out a lot of successful movies.  

 

But... Hell, no idea.  I expect a tremendous amount of interest when the first trailer/teaser drops.  How folks react to that might narrow my thoughts in one direction or the other, but I have to admit I probably won't have a tremendous feel on this until ticket sales start.  Unless trailer views/social media engagement is just through the roof or hits rock bottom.

 

tl;dr crossed with NB:

 

Is Joker 2 a CBM sequel or a psychological thriller sequel or somewhere on a spectrum in between the two extremes?

 

Answer me that, and I think we can narrow down the plausible ranges for that film considerably . (Outside of it being very good or very bad of course)

[wildphantom]

@charlie Jatinder any Sat numbers for GB, Panda and Dune?

[TomThomas]

9 hours ago, MightyDargon said:

I mean it certainly seems that way when you don't take into account there's like 20 Dune books at this point and the novel was regarded as a classic for decades, but whatever.

Dune was a niche property that broke out to mainstream only now, Lynch's movie was one of the biggest flops of 80s.

Edited March 31 by TomThomas

[TomThomas]

6 hours ago, TheFlatLannister said:

Well said. In this climate, I'm just not sure a CBM can catch the "proverbial lighting in the bottle" twice. 

Seems to me something like $700M is a lot more likely than $1B 

 

My biggest drawback from Joker breaking out again is it just doesn't have a clear draw. Deadpool has Hugh Jackman, No Way Home had Andrew and Tobey, Joker 2 has a musical, lady Gaga?? I don't think that's good enough of a selling point to 18-35 yr old men to really breakout. 

I don't see how the character whose biggest solo movie barely crossed 600 mln is a bigger draw than Lady Gaga as Harley. People who expect Joker 2 to underperform or even flop are in for a nasty surprise, it's not gonna happen, that's just crazy talk, the first movie is incredibly popular, much more than Deadpool or Wolverine, in fact it has more votes on imdb than Endgame, as long as sequel is good enough, it will be close to 1 bln mark.

Edited March 31 by TomThomas

[Eric S'ennui]

Just wanted to come up here and say Happy Easter to everybody here who celebrates, as well as a super happy Transgender Day of Visibility, especially to our wonderful and amazing trans members. Love you all, and have a great Sunday!

[charlie Jatinder]

~$26.25M SAT. ~$63M 2-days.

 

$80M need 35% drop on SUN.

 

Mario dropped 39.3%
Fantastic Beasts 40%
GvK 45%

[Eric S'ennui]

2 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

~$26.25M SAT. ~$63M 2-days.

 

$80M need 35% drop on SUN.

 

Mario dropped 39.3%
Fantastic Beasts 40%
GvK 45%

 

Timothee Supremacy wins yet again. Y'all wish you could be him.

 

[charlie Jatinder]

On 3/29/2024 at 6:55 AM, charlie Jatinder said:

Good. Good.

 

Now let's see if it can take on Dune 2 OW. WW is nearly a lock, DOM be close, US closer.

WW - Done

Us - Almost done

Dom - Will likely miss due to Canada. Dune 2 $10M in Canada and GxK be $6M.

[Elessar]

8 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

WW - Done

Us - Almost done

Dom - Will likely miss due to Canada. Dune 2 $10M in Canada and GxK be $6M.

 

Canadians just are more sophisticated...

[Eric S'ennui]

1 minute ago, Elessar said:

 

Canadians just are more sophisticated...

Canadians love Timothee. After all, he is super fluent in French.

 

 

 

What I would give to have this man speak beautiful (or dirty 👀) to me in French. Won't understand a word he's saying, but he's so....so sexy when he speaks French. 😍

[BadOlCatSylvester]

14 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

~$26.25M SAT. ~$63M 2-days.

 

$80M need 35% drop on SUN.

 

Mario dropped 39.3%
Fantastic Beasts 40%
GvK 45%

Missing the $80M threshold is a shame^{I know Warner will probably report the weekend at that, but it'll most certainly drop with actuals}, but $78M-$79M or so is still a terrific number. I wonder how well it would've played in its original mid-April window. Either way, with April being free of any major blockbusters as well as word of mouth being great, this should have staying power on paper. Onward to the second weekend, as that'll determine if this surpasses the 2014 reboot to become the biggest movie in the franchise, at least domestically.

[BadOlCatSylvester]

1 minute ago, Eric Atreides said:

Canadians love Timothee. After all, he is super fluent in French.

 

 

 

What I would give to have this man speak beautiful (or dirty 👀) to me in French. Won't understand a word he's saying, but he's so....so sexy when he speaks French. 😍

I think it's moreso that they love Denis. But Timothee has shown himself to be a sufficient draw these past few months, with both Wonka and Dune 2 combined likely reaching a billion.

[Brainbug]

Anything over 75M is an absolute win in my book. Before the presales ramped up, i would have been happy with a 60M OW.

[Kon]

10 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

~$26.25M SAT. ~$63M 2-days.

 

$80M need 35% drop on SUN.

 

Mario dropped 39.3%
Fantastic Beasts 40%
GvK 45%

Honestly, it's a little surprising GxK OW will likely be under 80M.

 

People were expecting more after Friday.

[Merkel]

2 minutes ago, BadOlCatSylvester said:

I think it's moreso that they love Denis. But Timothee has shown himself to be a sufficient draw these past few months, with both Wonka and Dune 2 combined likely reaching a billion.

 

 

Likely?  Their combined gross is way above a billion already

[Eric S'ennui]

3 minutes ago, BadOlCatSylvester said:

I think it's moreso that they love Denis.

Wowie zowie, that is crazy. I had absolutely no clue. Truly. I was for sure not intentionally ignoring a fact I already know to find an excuse to thirst for Timothee yet again. Thank you so much for the help, chief.

 

[kaijukurt]

9 minutes ago, Brainbug said:

Anything over 75M is an absolute win in my book. Before the presales ramped up, i would have been happy with a 60M OW.

 

Before the weekend I would've been very happy already with beating the over performing OW of Skull Island so this is just a huge bonus!