Weekend Numbers [June 07-09, 2024] | actuals | 56.5M BAD BOYS: RIDE OR DIE | 10.0M GARFIELD | 7.8M IF | 7.0M THE WATCHERS

[cannastop]

3 minutes ago, marveldcfox said:

I actually think Rush Hour 4 would do fine. 250+ WW based on nostalgia 

How the hell do you sell a 70+ year old Jackie Chan?

[babz06]

10 minutes ago, marveldcfox said:

I actually think Rush Hour 4 would do fine. 250+ WW based on nostalgia 

I agree. 

[grim22]

13 minutes ago, cannastop said:

How the hell do you sell a 70+ year old Jackie Chan?

That's actually a good question which leads to another one in my mind - who is the modern day Jackie Chan? Not in the sense of action comedy, but an Asian actor who is really well known all across Asia but has not had the US or Western exposure yet. Doesn't feel like anyone has risen to that level, if there's someone it might be in the Korean industry. The Bollywood Khans are a bit too old now as well to qualify for that.

[Cmasterclay]

I've been playing movie trivia at my local pub (kick ass of course), and they do it by decade - 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s. It's been making me thinking alot about the cultural canon. Every time is a mix of huge hits, cult classics, and comedies - but the mix gets really.....off in 2010s. When we talk about a cultural canon, aka the lines, the moments, and the characters that are so culturally recognizable that they can be turned into trivia and debates, there's something really lacking in the 2010s. In the 1970s, so many of the biggest box office hits they ask about are also filled with instantly recognizable characters and lines (Jaws, Star Wars, Godfather, etc). In the 80s, same thing with Top Gun, Batman 89, Back to the Future, etc. 90s, same deal with Lion King, Forrest Gump, Sixth Sense, ID4, etc. In the 2000s, there's a little more separation between the hits and the canon, but there's still easy questions about LOTR, TDK, Harry Potter, and POTC. In the 2010s, there starts to be a hugeeeee chasm between the things that make money and the things that enter the cultural canon. Sure, the early part of the decade had things like Avengers and Hunger Games that had enough cultural cache to make it to trivia. But by the mid-part of the decade, all the questions are about movies like Get Out and Wolf of Wall Street and stuff like that. There certainly isn't any questions about Incredibles 2 or Frozen 2 or Finding Dory or Jurassic World or frankly most of the money making movies post-2013. Who remembers a line from those movies?? (sorry @Brainbug).  The cultural canon has always welcomed cult classics and late breakouts, and some moneymakers have been forgotten, but my point is that the chasm has never, ever been as large between money and cultural impact as in the last decade or so. That's part of why studios are really struggling for banger product.

 

The good news, in Top Gun Maverick, Barbie, Oppenheimer, NWH, and Dune 2, it does feel like a larger number of recent hits have penetrated the cultural canon. But then you have things like Minions 2 and Doctor Strange 2 and Jurassic World: Dominion that made a shit ton of money and left zero cultural mark. 

[dallas]

I'm sick of this "audiences don't care" narrative. They DO care, it's just moviegoing is too expensive nowadays. That's why every year there are a few HUGE hits and the rest ranges from good to meh.

[ringedmortality]

1 minute ago, Cmasterclay said:

The good news, in Top Gun Maverick, Barbie, Oppenheimer, NWH, and Dune 2, it does feel like a larger number of recent hits have penetrated the cultural canon.

 

I recently had a conversation with my co-workers and they hadn't watched Barbie, weren't aware of Barbenheimer, hadn't watched Dune, and can only barely remember NWH.

[TwoMisfits]

2 minutes ago, dallas said:

I'm sick of this "audiences don't care" narrative. They DO care, it's just moviegoing is too expensive nowadays. That's why every year there are a few HUGE hits and the rest ranges from good to meh.

 

Yeah, I was gonna mention, other that the $5 TMobile deals doing so well this year, KFP4 was buoyed by a HUGE "free" ticket offer for Comcast subscribers.

 

And that got the ball really rolling.

 

People will go...but unless you're Dune 2 (which is the exception that proves the rule this year - as will Deadpool 3 probably be), you seem to need to "prime" the movie going public with something to get them into a theater...

[cannastop]

3 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:

I've been playing movie trivia at my local pub (kick ass of course), and they do it by decade - 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s. It's been making me thinking alot about the cultural canon. Every time is a mix of huge hits, cult classics, and comedies - but the mix gets really.....off in 2010s. When we talk about a cultural canon, aka the lines, the moments, and the characters that are so culturally recognizable that they can be turned into trivia and debates, there's something really lacking in the 2010s. In the 1970s, so many of the biggest box office hits they ask about are also filled with instantly recognizable characters and lines (Jaws, Star Wars, Godfather, etc). In the 80s, same thing with Top Gun, Batman 89, Back to the Future, etc. 90s, same deal with Lion King, Forrest Gump, Sixth Sense, ID4, etc. In the 2000s, there's a little more separation between the hits and the canon, but there's still easy questions about LOTR, TDK, Harry Potter, and POTC. In the 2010s, there starts to be a hugeeeee chasm between the things that make money and the things that enter the cultural canon. Sure, the early part of the decade had things like Avengers and Hunger Games that had enough cultural cache to make it to trivia. But by the mid-part of the decade, all the questions are about movies like Get Out and Wolf of Wall Street and stuff like that. There certainly isn't any questions about Incredibles 2 or Frozen 2 or Finding Dory or Jurassic World or frankly most of the money making movies post-2013. Who remembers a line from those movies?? (sorry @Brainbug).  The cultural canon has always welcomed cult classics and late breakouts, and some moneymakers have been forgotten, but my point is that the chasm has never, ever been as large between money and cultural impact as in the last decade or so. That's part of why studios are really struggling for banger product.

 

The good news, in Top Gun Maverick, Barbie, Oppenheimer, NWH, and Dune 2, it does feel like a larger number of recent hits have penetrated the cultural canon. But then you have things like Minions 2 and Doctor Strange 2 and Jurassic World: Dominion that made a shit ton of money and left zero cultural mark. 

Well what's also going on here is the fragmentation of the audience. People can get their fixes in more unique ways. I'm not quite sure what you mean by Cultural Canon though. Just something cared about by grown people? Also not sure why you lump No Way Home in the canon there, even if it did make a lot of money. But I'm no MCU fan so I might not be the best judge.

[AniNate]

You can't make any assumptions about the cultural canon until you have a lot of distance from it. I remember thinking the "90s" and "00s" didn't have the same distinct nostalgic sheen as the 70s and 80s for awhile but now they do apparently

 

 

Edited June 8 by AniNate

[cannastop]

10 minutes ago, dallas said:

I'm sick of this "audiences don't care" narrative. They DO care, it's just moviegoing is too expensive nowadays. That's why every year there are a few HUGE hits and the rest ranges from good to meh.

yeah ticket prices really are insane. Just a regular not PLF ticket is often $18 or more...

 

There is a point where you might maximize revenue by reducing prices but it would be a risky move in a moribund industry.

[cannastop]

2 minutes ago, AniNate said:

You can't make any assumptions about the cultural canon until you have a lot of distance from it. I remember thinking the "90s" and "00s" didn't have the same distinct nostalgic sheen as the 70s and 80s for awhile but now they do apparently

 

 

Main problem with the 00s is we never really decided on a name for that decade until late. "Early 00s" seems to be the preferred name.

[John Marston]

13 minutes ago, dallas said:

I'm sick of this "audiences don't care" narrative. They DO care, it's just moviegoing is too expensive nowadays. That's why every year there are a few HUGE hits and the rest ranges from good to meh.

 

But there have always been flops. When a movie doesn’t interesting to audiences, they won’t go. 

[grim22]

3 minutes ago, AniNate said:

You can't make any assumptions about the cultural canon until you have a lot of distance from it. I remember thinking the "90s" and "00s" didn't have the same distinct nostalgic sheen as the 70s and 80s for awhile but now they do apparently

 

 

I think there's definitely a thing where everyone had the same cultural experience till around 2012-14. Everyone watched the same few channels, the same movies for the most part, same big sporting events and so on because that's all that was programmed. After the smartphone made streaming more accessible, and apps like Instagram and TikTok made people create their information siloes, the cultural experience is a lot more fragmented.

 

Two people can go their entire lives without ever consuming the same media as the other. Like for example, I haven't seen a single minute of Yellowstone which I know is a huge show for some people because it's just not been available to watch in a convenient manner. I'm reminded of this every time Netflix cancels a show I literally didn't know existed till the cancellation and that show has enough fans to start a renewal hashtag campaign.

[JimmyB]

57 minutes ago, wildphantom said:

I think it was more Netflix put up the mega money that nobody else would. I’m sure the budget is pretty huge on it. 
 

Just wish Netflix would agree an exclusive theatrical wide release for their major films with the big exhibitors. Win win for everybody, and especially audiences and the filmmakers.  Needn’t be more than a few weeks, like they trialled with Glass Onion (that made serious bank before they pulled it). 
 

Seems they’re still refusing to join the party, like they hate money or something. 

I can't believe this is still a take in 2024 about Netflix.  Netflix revenue in 2024 will be more than the global box office.  Netflix wants you at home and watching Netflix.  They arent going to spend millions in marketing a wide theatrical release just to split the box office with theaters.   

[AMC Theaters Enjoyer]

22 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:

I've been playing movie trivia at my local pub (kick ass of course), and they do it by decade - 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s. It's been making me thinking alot about the cultural canon. Every time is a mix of huge hits, cult classics, and comedies - but the mix gets really.....off in 2010s. When we talk about a cultural canon, aka the lines, the moments, and the characters that are so culturally recognizable that they can be turned into trivia and debates, there's something really lacking in the 2010s. In the 1970s, so many of the biggest box office hits they ask about are also filled with instantly recognizable characters and lines (Jaws, Star Wars, Godfather, etc). In the 80s, same thing with Top Gun, Batman 89, Back to the Future, etc. 90s, same deal with Lion King, Forrest Gump, Sixth Sense, ID4, etc. In the 2000s, there's a little more separation between the hits and the canon, but there's still easy questions about LOTR, TDK, Harry Potter, and POTC. In the 2010s, there starts to be a hugeeeee chasm between the things that make money and the things that enter the cultural canon. Sure, the early part of the decade had things like Avengers and Hunger Games that had enough cultural cache to make it to trivia. But by the mid-part of the decade, all the questions are about movies like Get Out and Wolf of Wall Street and stuff like that. There certainly isn't any questions about Incredibles 2 or Frozen 2 or Finding Dory or Jurassic World or frankly most of the money making movies post-2013. Who remembers a line from those movies?? (sorry @Brainbug).  The cultural canon has always welcomed cult classics and late breakouts, and some moneymakers have been forgotten, but my point is that the chasm has never, ever been as large between money and cultural impact as in the last decade or so. That's part of why studios are really struggling for banger product.

 

The good news, in Top Gun Maverick, Barbie, Oppenheimer, NWH, and Dune 2, it does feel like a larger number of recent hits have penetrated the cultural canon. But then you have things like Minions 2 and Doctor Strange 2 and Jurassic World: Dominion that made a shit ton of money and left zero cultural mark. 

I think it doesn’t help that so much of the 2010s is about recreating the 80s, 90s, etc. it didn’t form its identity when it comes to mainstream cinema (for the most part).

[Speedorito]

33 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:

I've been playing movie trivia at my local pub (kick ass of course), and they do it by decade - 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s. It's been making me thinking alot about the cultural canon. Every time is a mix of huge hits, cult classics, and comedies - but the mix gets really.....off in 2010s. When we talk about a cultural canon, aka the lines, the moments, and the characters that are so culturally recognizable that they can be turned into trivia and debates, there's something really lacking in the 2010s. In the 1970s, so many of the biggest box office hits they ask about are also filled with instantly recognizable characters and lines (Jaws, Star Wars, Godfather, etc). In the 80s, same thing with Top Gun, Batman 89, Back to the Future, etc. 90s, same deal with Lion King, Forrest Gump, Sixth Sense, ID4, etc. In the 2000s, there's a little more separation between the hits and the canon, but there's still easy questions about LOTR, TDK, Harry Potter, and POTC. In the 2010s, there starts to be a hugeeeee chasm between the things that make money and the things that enter the cultural canon. Sure, the early part of the decade had things like Avengers and Hunger Games that had enough cultural cache to make it to trivia. But by the mid-part of the decade, all the questions are about movies like Get Out and Wolf of Wall Street and stuff like that. There certainly isn't any questions about Incredibles 2 or Frozen 2 or Finding Dory or Jurassic World or frankly most of the money making movies post-2013. Who remembers a line from those movies?? (sorry @Brainbug).  The cultural canon has always welcomed cult classics and late breakouts, and some moneymakers have been forgotten, but my point is that the chasm has never, ever been as large between money and cultural impact as in the last decade or so. That's part of why studios are really struggling for banger product.

 

The good news, in Top Gun Maverick, Barbie, Oppenheimer, NWH, and Dune 2, it does feel like a larger number of recent hits have penetrated the cultural canon. But then you have things like Minions 2 and Doctor Strange 2 and Jurassic World: Dominion that made a shit ton of money and left zero cultural mark. 

No offense but I feel like remembering lines and bar trivia aren’t really the best metrics for cultural impact. I could not tell you a single line from Despicable Me 3 but that franchise, especially the Minions, is crazy popular.

 

I also don’t think “cultural impact” really means much to most people. Weren’t people saying Avatar 2 wouldn’t be super big because you don’t see blue people at conventions and no one could remember the names of the main characters?

Edited June 8 by Speedorito

[cannastop]

Just now, Speedorito said:

Weren’t people saying Avatar 2 wouldn’t be super big because you don’t see blue people at conventions and no one could remember the names of the main characters?

Even I fell for that line of thinking once. But it's wrongheaded. There's just something about Avatar that makes people go nuts.

[Firepower]

46 minutes ago, dallas said:

I'm sick of this "audiences don't care" narrative. They DO care, it's just moviegoing is too expensive nowadays. That's why every year there are a few HUGE hits and the rest ranges from good to meh.

It's just an excuse, it doesn't explain most movies underperfoming or flopping this year including once reliable genres, moviegoing wasn't much cheaper last year or in 2022. Sometimes it's just simple "they don't care anymore", there's no deeper explanation.

Edited June 8 by Firepower

[cannastop]

6 minutes ago, Firepower said:

It's just an excuse, it doesn't explain most movies underperfoming or flopping this year including once reliable genres, moviegoing wasn't much cheaper last year or in 2022. Sometimes it's just simple as "they don't care", there's no deeper explanation.

last year and 2022 were also bum years. Complaints about ticket prices have been around for a long time, even in 2019, that box office free for all year.

[Reed121]

1 hour ago, filmlover said:

A Rush Hour 4 would flop for sure.

 

Speaking of reviving dead comedy franchises, I'm intrigued to see how the Scary Movie revival goes, especially if they can manage to bring both Faris and Hall back. Luckily for it, there's been a slew of famous horror movies over the past decade that easily lend themselves to parody for them to tackle, something that wasn't the case when the flop previous movie from 2013 arrived.

Sorry this is very wrong.  Scenes from The Rush Hour movies attract a lot of activity and positivity on Twitter. There is a lot of love for this series .

If they did it right it would easily out gross these recent Bad Boys movies.

Edited June 8 by Reed121