A Marvel Fanboy Posted July 23, 2013 Author Share Posted July 23, 2013 Doesn't mean anything actually. Pacific Rim is already dying in many markets it was released last week. -63% in South Korea, -51% in Italy after very poor start. Even 50-60 million in China didnt change anything. Studio will get 15 millon at best and people there wont pay for VoD and wont buy a lot of DVD's. We dont even buy BD/DVDs now. Only a very small group of people buy those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manu Delpech Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 For what it's worth, Guillermo del Toro posted himself a thread on his forum saying that he's thrilled with how Pac Rim is doing overseas, and that the NECA toys & graphic novel are flying off the shelves, and they're constantly restocking those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sucker Punch Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 For what it's worth, Guillermo del Toro posted himself a thread on his forum saying that he's thrilled with how Pac Rim is doing overseas, and that the NECA toys & graphic novel are flying off the shelves, and they're constantly restocking those. Talk about wishful thinking. Pac Rim GN was #16 on June trades list with 2,963 est. units sold. Less than stellar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manu Delpech Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I think del Toro is in a better position than you are on this subject, no? I know it's been in the top 10 of NY Times best sellers for 4 weeks. For a graphic novel, those are good sales, this is not a single issue, it's a hardcover. http://www.nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/hardcover-graphic-books/list.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It's not doing that great overseas. Del Toro is obviously unaware about how overseas grosses work,. I honestly doubt the merchandising is flying off the shelves. This kind of spin is always there when a movie underperforms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manu Delpech Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 You guys are unbelievable. Yep, Guillermo del Toro has been forced, compelled should I say to go on his fansite's forum, to post this, because obviously, he's a big director and has no idea what he's talking about about his movie's grosses. Also, Guillermo only posts from time to time, no one is forcing him to, the forum has very few people on it, it's not a SPIN. "I honestly doubt"? WTF man, do you have numbers as he probably has? God, some are really rooting from the beginning for this to fail, why? I don't know. It's doing good overseas considering it's a fricking ORIGINAL property of a genre that's a geek/Kaiju fans exclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 You guys are unbelievable. Yep, Guillermo del Toro has been forced, compelled should I say to go on his fansite's forum, to post this, because obviously, he's a big director and has no idea what he's talking about about his movie's grosses. Also, Guillermo only posts from time to time, no one is forcing him to, the forum has very few people on it, it's not a SPIN. "I honestly doubt"? WTF man, do you have numbers as he probably has? God, some are really rooting from the beginning for this to fail, why? I don't know. It's doing good overseas considering it's a fricking ORIGINAL property of a genre that's a geek/Kaiju fans exclusive. it's time to let it go. It is not doing that great overseas. It is doing average business so far. In the end it will likely finish only slightly higher than Battleship overseas and that was in 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I think del Toro is in a better position than you are on this subject, no? Of course not, People behind making something with a vested interest in its success are the last people you should go to for this kind of analysis. Since the numbers are known, then we could see exactly how well it's doing ourselves, and while it isn't doing terribly like RIPD or Lone Ranger, it isn't doing greatly either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop54 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) On Amazon, the graphic novel is the #1 selling title published by Marvel, and Pacific Rim: Man, Machines, and Monsters is the #1 selling book in the movie category. This book is selling so well that it's on backorder. So yes, the books are selling very well and according to Randy, The head of NECA, the action figures are very hot sellers. Put a spin on that haters! Edited July 23, 2013 by Bishop54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 The graphic novel sales should make Legendary happy. I doubt WB is getting a cut of that at all. (But then again, WB isn't on the hook for as much money). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sucker Punch Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 The graphic novel sales should make Legendary happy. I doubt WB is getting a cut of that at all. (But then again, WB isn't on the hook for as much money). Not WB, but Marvel/Disney is. Not sure how NYT and Amazon charts play into this, since majority of comic sales go through Diamond anyway. Probably some correction will be in order once July numbers are in, but so far it does not look to be making any kind of splash really. Really interested to see how the film does in China and Japan. Have a small doubt about optimistic Japan prospects. Is Japan that eager to see GDT (or anyone else, for that matter) playing around with their very own tropes (tokusatsu/mecha)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 On Amazon, the graphic novel is the #1 selling title published by Marvel, and Pacific Rim: Man, Machines, and Monsters is the #1 selling book in the movie category. This book is selling so well that it's on backorder. So yes, the books are selling very well and according to Randy, The head of NECA, the action figures are very hot sellers. Put a spin on that haters! it is the lovers who are still spinning. Doing whatever they can to make this look like it is going to be a successful movie, when most people have accepted the fact that it is a flop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop54 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 it is the lovers who are still spinning. Doing whatever they can to make this look like it is going to be a successful movie, when most people have accepted the fact that it is a flop.No, no, no, this about you saying you doubt merchandise was selling as well as del Toro said it was. We just proved you wrong. Just admit you were wrong and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juni78ukr Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) Del Toro is biased and delusional as well. What kind of mechandise? Fanboys buy graphic novels, the general audience doesnt care. Pretty much the same as theatrical grosses. The same fanboys pay 20-25 USD for IMAX tickets and go too see it several times. How many they sold exactly? No one knows. Of course it will be №1 for some time even without strong sales. Just because fanboys were crying about the movie for two years. Edited July 23, 2013 by juni78ukr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manu Delpech Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It's still money, fact is all the merchandising is selling really well and is regularly sold out, why can't you just admit that? The movie is NOT a flop either, if this is considered a flop considering it'll probably end up in the 350-400 M WW range all in, then Star Trek 09 was a flop, Cap America was a flop, and etc, etc. Legendary paid for 75 % of the budget, do not forget that, it makes quite a bit of difference, that amounts to 125 M marketing excluded. This WILL be profitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It's still money, fact is all the merchandising is selling really well and is regularly sold out, why can't you just admit that? Sold out has little to do with selling a lot, and much more to do with how much stock there is. tracking how much something sells out is the equivalent of tracking a films PTA rather than how much money it actually makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 In terms of box-office, merchandise and graphic novel sales mean nothing. In terms of possible addition stories utilizing the IP (up to and including any potential sequels) they do help, to some degree. I assume Legendary holds the rights to any future movies, so I also assume any sequels would be a joint Legendary/Universal production... in which case it may also depend on whether Universal wants to try to continue the franchise at all. In terms of WB, their investment in PR is not significant. I have no idea how the grosses are being divided between them and Legendary, so they may well end up happy with PR when all's said and done... or not. It's very hard to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elyccia Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Pacific Rim' Triumphs at Global Box Office Posted July 23rd, 2013 11:00AM by Jenni Miller http://news.moviefone.com/2013/07/23/pacific-rim-global-box-office/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SentryTrans Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 More than $6.7m in two weeks in Taiwan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halba Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 In terms of box-office, merchandise and graphic novel sales mean nothing. In terms of possible addition stories utilizing the IP (up to and including any potential sequels) they do help, to some degree. I assume Legendary holds the rights to any future movies, so I also assume any sequels would be a joint Legendary/Universal production... in which case it may also depend on whether Universal wants to try to continue the franchise at all. In terms of WB, their investment in PR is not significant. I have no idea how the grosses are being divided between them and Legendary, so they may well end up happy with PR when all's said and done... or not. It's very hard to say. legendary will offset it with profit from 'godzilla' plus more, merchandise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
