John Marston Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) nm Edited July 23, 2012 by John Marston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 For TDKR or GS?Right now, I think GS is a much bigger problem for them than TDKR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer1997 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 This^Another thing I don't get, people believe the tragedy has cost TDKR anywhere from $20-40 million ticket sales depending on what their over blown prediction was. If that is even true, what about the other movies playing in theaters? Shouldn't those screens be empty? Only thing that seemed to affect them the most was the fact that a huge movie opened, the drops are very similar to what happened when The Avengers opened, every other movie had big decreases. I'm not saying the tragedy had no affect, but I don't think it was major.Seriously have none of you been reading notfabio's posts? He has commented multiple times now, Rth may have as well, that the entire audience is 18+ college and above. Absolutely no families. That is a direct affect from the shooting, to argue otherwise is to be divorced from reality.Now quantifying that impact is another story.Also interestingly this sort of puts to bed HL's death drove TDKs gross. TDKR opened to more money, spare me inflation there other factors you aren't considering when you do such as disposable income is less today than it was in 2008 due to the recession, and did so despite an unparelled tragedy.For all the points and counterpoints, you have haters, and sunshine pumpers, each cherry picking their own data to support their arguments for TDKRs grossing more, or less.It should be agreed by all the shooting had an affect and TDKR actually did exceptionally well given the headwinds it faced. While overhyped, and I think you can say it would not have beaten TA even without the shooting, for it to open north of $160m given everything that happened on OD, is pretty remarkable, hater or not. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riczhang Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Both, but more for GSSomeone probably got fired for GS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Someone probably got fired for GS.I don't think so. Nobody could have guessed what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Nevada Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Someone probably got fired for GS. Sheesh, I hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cremino Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) This^Another thing I don't get, people believe the tragedy has cost TDKR anywhere from $20-40 million ticket sales depending on what their over blown prediction was. If that is even true, what about the other movies playing in theaters? Shouldn't those screens be empty? Only thing that seemed to affect them the most was the fact that a huge movie opened, the drops are very similar to what happened when The Avengers opened, every other movie had big decreases. I'm not saying the tragedy had no affect, but I don't think it was major.ASM dropped 70 %............If this isn't a big decrease, I don't know what a big decrease is. Edited July 23, 2012 by cremino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Homer Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 What site usually reports actuals first? I want to go there and hit F5 repeatedly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riczhang Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I don't think so. Nobody could have guessed what happened.Well marketing didn't realise that they were running a trailer with a shooting in a theatre scene for hours, so yeah, I'd say someone got fried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adm56 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Seriously have none of you been reading notfabio's posts? He has commented multiple times now, Rth may have as well, that the entire audience is 18+ college and above. Absolutely no families. That is a direct affect from the shooting, to argue otherwise is to be divorced from reality.I'm not convinced that TDKR was going to ba a family film to begin with. Shooting or no shooting. Not to the extent that Avengers was. To me family films include small children and while maturity can certainly vary from child to child in general I think Avengers was more appropriate for younger children than any of the Nolan Batman films. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 So we're attempting to say that the public was in fear for their lives....but more of them showed up (with their families in many cases) because it was Batman? That doesn't make any sense. If the public was really in fear for their lives....FEWER of them would have left their homes to go see a movie...not more. Doesn't matter what movie was playing. You can't view the public as a monolithic entity. Many of them were unfazed by the shooting and still went to see Batman or whatever other movie they were interested in, but others were not. Unless there were some government-mandated restriction on movie theater admissions this argument doesn't hold any water. Human nature works both ways. There were no doubt some people who stayed home. But there are also no doubt some people who went to see TDKR because it was being talked about so much. It's not just a one-sided thing. The effect should off-set at least. Ever see people slow down on the highway to see a wreck on the other side? They say "no such thing as bad publicity" for a reason.When people pay to see movies they want to enjoy themselves, they don't want to have the thought of a bunch of innocent humans being murdered in the back of their minds. They may say "there's no such thing as bad publicity", but it's false. There are very valid reasons for TDKR to make less than TDK and that should in fact be the "expectation" in my view. This was true before the shooting happened but was overlooked by those wishing for record-breaking performance.This I agree with, but I still don't think they were enough to weaken the Batman buzz as dramatically as you think they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdevidem01 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 What site usually reports actuals first? I want to go there and hit F5 repeatedly.My apprentice has the right idea!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riczhang Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I'm not convinced that TDKR was going to ba a family film to begin with. Shooting or no shooting. Not to the extent that Avengers was. To me family films include small children and while maturity can certainly vary from child to child in general I think Avengers was more appropriate for younger children than any of the Nolan Batman films.You're underestimating the popularity of Batman with the younger kids, yes its dark, but it's still batman which guarantees that families will turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb007 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 1 N The Dark Knight WB $158,411,483 - 4,366 - $36,283 $158,411,483 $185 1 2 N Mamma Mia! Uni. $27,751,240 - 2,976 - $9,325 $27,751,240 $52 1 3 2 Hancock Sony $14,040,178 -56.2% 3,776 -189 $3,718 $191,543,979 $150 3 4 3 Journey to the Center of the Earth WB (NL) $12,340,435 -41.3% 2,830 +19 $4,361 $43,504,712 $60 2 5 1 Hellboy II: The Golden Army Uni. $10,117,815 -70.7% 3,212 +8 $3,150 $56,526,885 $85 2 6 4 WALL-E BV $10,070,396 -46.4% 3,310 -539 $3,042 $182,732,709 $180 4 7 N Space Chimps Fox $7,181,374 - 2,511 - $2,860 $7,181,374 $37 1 8 5 Wanted Uni. $5,072,805 -57.7% 2,433 -724 $2,085 $123,322,635 $75 4 9 6 Get Smart WB $4,125,021 -42.7% 2,135 -951 $1,932 $119,608,695 $80 5 10 8 Kung Fu Panda P/DW $1,860,854 -57.8% 1,505 -1,199 $1,236 $206,616,381 $130 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb007 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 The holdover drops do not look that different compared to TDK's release weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPink Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I'm not convinced that TDKR was going to ba a family film to begin with. Shooting or no shooting. Not to the extent that Avengers was. To me family films include small children and while maturity can certainly vary from child to child in general I think Avengers was more appropriate for younger children than any of the Nolan Batman films.Probably not, but the teenage demographic may have got hurt a pretty big amount, where they don't get full control on what they're allowed to doI was pissed yesterday was a 5 year old girl was next to me during the film. I'm not gonna judge a parent for bringing her into a film like this, since I saw plenty of R rated movies at a young age, but the parent and child were talking for a good chunk of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punishment Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Here are difference in predictions (from boxoffice.com and showbuzzdaily) and studio estimates:  Boxoffice.com Predictions BO Pred. Estimates %inc/dec The Dark Knight Rises $198,000,000 $161,000,000 -19% Ice Age: Continental Drift $23,000,000 $20,700,000 -10% The Amazing Spider-Man $16,000,000 $10,700,000 -33% Ted (2012) $12,500,000 $10,100,000 -19% Brave $6,200,000 $5,900,000 -5% Magic Mike $5,000,000 $4,400,000 -12% Savages $4,800,000 $3,300,000 -31% Moonrise Kingdom $2,800,000 $1,800,000 -36% Madea's Witness Protection $2,700,000 $2,300,000 -15% Madagascar 3 $1,900,000 $1,400,000 -26%   Average % change -21%     Showbuzzdaily Projections Showbuzz Proj. Estimates %inc/dec TDKR 192 161 -16% Ice Age: Continental Drift 24.5 20.7 -16% Amazing Spider-Man 17.2 10.7 -38% Ted 12.6 10.1 -20% Brave 5.5 5.9 7% Savages 4.9 3.3 -33% Magic Mike 4.5 4.4 -2% Madea’s Witness Protection 2.8 2.3 -18% Moonrise Kingdom 2.6 1.8 -31% Madagascar 3 2 1.4 -30%   Average % change -20%  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 HA!!!!!Seems like I am not the only one to question the plot and story to TDKR. Here is a list of 15 things that bothered this guy and I discussed about 10 of these with Noctis. There are obviously massive spoilers in here so if you haven't seen it yet, do not click the link.http://www.slashfilm.com/15-bothered-the-dark-knight-rises/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riczhang Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 The holdover drops do not look that different compared to TDK's release weekend.Every film is going to drop more than 50% this weekend, you cannot say that the holdovers look the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvikk Lunsj Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Those drops are nothing like the drops that are suspected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
