MagnetMan Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Damage already done. The two are inextricably linked, unfortunately. I think it's ridiculous that WB can't even market their movie through TV advertising even while the media (1) blames their movie for the shooting and (2) puts headlines up with the movie's name linked to the shooting. It's a tidal wave of negative propaganda.I think propaganda is the wrong word. Propaganda implies they have the intention of bringing the movie down. What they're doing is attaching their story to the popularity of the movie... riding its coattails in order to bring in more viewers/readers to their show/publication.Not any more noble than propaganda... but differently motivated. Edited July 24, 2012 by MagnetMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Okay, that's very kind of you to say Walt Disney....thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 IMO, it had zero chance of hitting 600 mill.It had slim to no chance of even hitting 500m if you ask me. I never had it doing that. 490 was always my ceiling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 500m would have happened without the shooting I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I think propaganda is the wrong word. Propaganda implies they have the intention of bringing the movie down. What they're doing is attaching their story to the popularity of the movie... riding its coattails in order to bring in more viewers.Not any more noble than propaganda... but differently motivated.Any time they start pointing the finger at the movie, that's propaganda. TDKR isn't any more violent than the Bourne film coming out soon, Spider-Man that came out 2.5 weeks ago, the Avengers that came out in May, or any number of action films over the years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnetMan Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Any time they start pointing the finger at the movie, that's propaganda. TDKR isn't any more violent than the Bourne film coming out soon, Spider-Man that came out 2.5 weeks ago, the Avengers that came out in May, or any number of action films over the years.Pointing the finger - yes. But when the story originally broke, I don't think anyone was blaming the movie. It was just a way of catching more eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Disney Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) I think propaganda is the wrong word. Propaganda implies they have the intention of bringing the movie down. What they're doing is attaching their story to the popularity of the movie... riding its coattails in order to bring in more viewers/readers to their show/publication.Not any more noble than propaganda... but differently motivated.I believe the right word is "sensationalism." Back in the old days, all newspapers were political. Then came Sensationalist journalism with the first Hearst papers, which is what I believe you're describing here. Edited July 24, 2012 by Walt Disney 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnetMan Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Now... after a few days have passed and people start thinking "If I sling enough bullshit, I might get paid out of this situation through a dumbass lawsuit."... THEN it becomes propaganda. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Pointing the finger - yes. But when the story originally broke, I don't think anyone was blaming the movie. It was just a way of catching more eyes.That was the initial wave, then the next one was the blame game. And now this week we've got the first lawsuits by a victim against WB, which will allow the media to really push the blame game agenda if they want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK007 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 If there's any integrity in the courts they'll throw out the case.Otherwise, the woman suing the 3D porn movie for getting her pregnant should have been awarded the keys to the country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkshop36 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Does anyone else hate how you start posting and out of nowhere, Baumer posts a few times and all of a sudden you used up all your Likes? You never see the brilliance coming and you can't prepare yourself for it. Chewy does is too. I haven't learned how to resist hitting the "Like" button when they post.I've used a bunch of likes on just this thread alone today. I just finished reading through every page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmnerdjamie Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Let's just be happy when it breaks $400-$425M. Again... given the circumstances. That's why none of the box office analysts are holding the lower-than-expected grosses against it. Its a win under this situation. But with a big asterisk and let's face it, a moot point. Edited July 24, 2012 by filmnerdjamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggestgeekever Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I still can't believe there are people saying it could do this or it was never going to do that. Or worse yet, giving credits to predictions in light of this. This shooting has had the single biggest effect on TDKR, not just at the BO but in its representation among audiences and the media. NO ONE saw it coming, obviously, so why should any previous prediction be given credence? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmnerdjamie Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I still can't believe there are people saying it could do this or it was never going to do that. Or worse yet, giving credits to predictions in light of this. This shooting has had the single biggest effect on TDKR, not just at the BO but in its representation among audiences and the media. NO ONE saw it coming, obviously, so why should any previous prediction be given credence?This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Media reported that the killer had a Batman costume in his apartment. WTF does that have to do with anything other than the media attempting to link the killings with the movie? Really lame agenda IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnetMan Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Media reported that the killer had a Batman costume in his apartment. WTF does that have to do with anything other than the media attempting to link the killings with the movie? Really lame agenda IMHO.I think agenda is the wrong word. An agenda implies.... I'm just fucking with ya now, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 It feels like Batman the character is under assault right now, which is frustrating. The character is anti-guns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnetMan Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 It feels like Batman the character is under assault right now, which is frustrating. The character is anti-guns.That IS a very ironic aspect of the whole situation that I had not even considered yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Alfred Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 IMO, it had zero chance of hitting 600 mill. I respect that prediction, but what's the point bringing it up? It remains a prediction, we simply don't know what could have happened, we can't quantify events like this. None of us are in the wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Media reported that the killer had a Batman costume in his apartment. WTF does that have to do with anything other than the media attempting to link the killings with the movie? Really lame agenda IMHO.Tell people that there's a maniac that wants to kill people and they won't care. Relate this to the Aurora tragedy and you get ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
