Rudolf Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't understand how it can be a flop. The subject matter is very US intensive and not every film can be Forrest Gump. It's doing well for the film it is.Forrest Gump, Gone With The Wind, Pearl Harbour, Independence Day, National Treasure Book Of Secrets,.. there are american-centric movies with international success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Alfred Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Fact is that Lincoln is doing great business OS. The figures don't lie. Interpreting them a wrong way is trolling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Forrest Gump, Gone With The Wind, Pearl Harbour, Independence Day, National Treasure Book Of Secrets,.. there are american-centric movies with international success.LOL no, because they appeal to much wider audiences. For example, Independence Day is a blockbuster film that can be enjoyed by all ages and genders. Women watch Pearl Harbour because of the romance and men because of the action. It's appealing to many demographics, and Gone With The Wind is a timeless epic. I hardly doubt children or families would watch Lincoln in the cinema. Totally different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 A movie doesnt sell just dont sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 The Impossible is a smash OS but it doesnot change the fact that it flopped in NA. Same for Licncoln, smashing DOM while flopping in many OS markets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 LOL no, because they appeal to much wider audiences. For example, Independence Day is a blockbuster film that can be enjoyed by all ages and genders. Women watch Pearl Harbour because of the romance and men because of the action. It's appealing to many demographics, and Gone With The Wind is a timeless epic. I hardly doubt children or families would watch Lincoln in the cinema. Totally different.I think we can agree that an Ammerican-centric movie needs something additionally to be an international success.If a movie is in a genre that is very America specific (like The Blind Side: Football), it has a hard time selling abroad. International audiences also did not buy the story either, so OS only 1/5th of DOM.American history in itself is also not interesting enough, but combine it with a romance or an interesting character (Pocahontas), it can work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I think we can agree that an Ammerican-centric movie needs something additionally to be an international success.If a movie is in a genre that is very America specific (like The Blind Side: Football), it has a hard time selling abroad. International audiences also did not buy the story either, so OS only 1/5th of DOM.American history in itself is also not interesting enough, but combine it with a romance or an interesting character (Pocahontas), it can work. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moviedweeb Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 There is no way they spent $100m to market Lincoln. That jus didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) I would like to see a comparative international study asking higher educated teens simple questions about a) American Civil War Meijii Restoration c) 1848 European revolution d) Taiping rebellion e) sepoy mutiny How would the different education systems perform? Edited January 28, 2013 by Rudolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 WTF is going on with the title?Before its release, I was expecting something like 80M DOM/70M OS. Domestically it did more than double of what I expected so it was a smash hit domestically. Overseas, the gap may not be as much, but as long as it does over 70m, it is still a success to me.Calling Lincoln a flop overseas would be like calling Life of Pi a flop domestically just because 'it couldn't even make 25% of its OS gross domestically'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) WTF is going on with the title?Before its release, I was expecting something like 80M DOM/70M OS. Domestically it did more than double of what I expected so it was a smash hit domestically. Overseas, the gap may not be as much, but as long as it does over 70m, it is still a success to me.Calling Lincoln a flop overseas would be like calling Life of Pi a flop domestically just because 'it couldn't even make 25% of its OS gross domestically'. I disagree. A typical blockbuster makes about DOM:OS = 38:62 . If the ratio deviates strongly from that, it over- and underperforms accordingly. (Flop would be too drastic sometimes). A high DOM BO normally helps to sell a movie internationally. It does work not the other way. Edited January 28, 2013 by Rudolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Okay... it seems Avatar underperformed a bit domestically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Okay... it seems Avatar underperformed a bit domestically. it undeperformed all over South- and Northamerica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UptoLight Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 guys, you are fool or something? who expected Lincoln to gross 500 million overseas? Saying it is flop is kidding yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vc2002 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I'm sure The Hunger Games flopped OS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Nope, THG did 70% OS/DOM, much better than Licn's 50%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efialtes76 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Nope, THG did 70% OS/DOM, much better than Licn's 50%. Nope,did 40.6% OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceroll Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 I don't see why being about an American president would limit Lincoln's appeal. The King's Speech was about a British Monarch and did well in the US and OS. And if you want to treat Lincoln as a political movie, Fahrenheit 9/11 did roughly the same DOM and OS. The fact that Lincoln will make twice as much DOM as OS is kind of disappointing on behalf of the OS countries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sims Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 The King's Speech didn't have 2 hours of civil war policy wonking in its script. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Then what is wrong with "2 hours of civil war policy" ? People liked to listen to the king's speech for two hours but dont like hearing civil war policy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
