Game of Thrones (TV ONLY) [Leaked Spoilers prohibited]

[cozmeesah]

That's the one thing I missed. "Edd, fetch me a block." But this worked. VERY well too, at least according to Twitter.

Oh, and I was terrified for a second that they'd actually have Arya throw away Needle. Was relieved they didn't go there.

Edited April 27, 2015 by House Cozmees of Everdeen

[Boxx93]

Tommen, you lucky bastard 

 

Awesome episode!!!!

[James]

I'd really wish to understand why people like Jon so much. I find his narrative line to be the the most boring, both in books and the movies.

[AniNate]

I was pretty bored by the Snow arc until the Castle Black battle last season. Now it's not just about aimlessly walking around in the snow, he's finally getting some real agency.

[boomboom234]

Taken alone this show is great, its well directed,well acted, funny at times and captivating but increasingly it shows a misunderstanding of the very nature of certain characters and story lines. Look at last night with the scene with arya giving up her items its great and well done but in the inside the episode d&d refer to arya's  inability to get rid of needle as it is her instrument of revenge, this is simply not true in the context of the books needle is all Arya has left of her family it is " Jon snow's smile" to her that's why she can get rid of it not for a potential Chekhov's gun.

Tyrion is the most egregious example of this the character on screen is so fundamentally different from the character on the page that they are different people, Tyrion in the show couldn't have sex with that sex slave ( who for some reason willingly would go with him without payment) when in the book he has sex with every prostitute he can find in the same time span. Tyrion is so white washed he has transformed from the interesting morally grey character of the books to a paragon of virtue. Tyrion of the books had people tortured had a singer put into a stew daydreams about raping and killing his siblings and their children but in the show he is a white knight. He calls renly a good man, when on earth would tyrion call renly a good man.

Loras is quite possibly the most butchered character quite  to a homophobic degree. Loras in the books is gay but it is done lighly jokes are made by all characters but it is not the core of his personality. Loras in the books is a brave, headstrong, protective warrior who joins the kingsguard to prtoect his sister and when giving his reasons for giving up sex he says "when the sun sets no candle can replace it". In the show he is that gay guy only to be used to show the occasional gay sex scene to counter the claim that the show is only showing women, he is simply that gay guy every other aspect of his character is gone, they have him talk about fashion, have a prostitute boyfriend. That is not loras that is simply a gay guy d&d inserted into the show. 

Cersei as well in the books she is an increasingly insane ruler who only truly dares about her children as an instrument of power, she is quite honestly the most misogynistic character and  has innocent people tortured and raped, she not joffrey had robert's bastard killed. In the show she is a tragic misunderstand villain who truly loves her children

Jaime now is again cersei's dog doing as she bids without a second though even having sex with her in the white sword tower an act that book Jaime strongly refused. Instead of evolving into the strong independent figure he becomes in the books Jaime has digressed back to season 1 terrtory.

 

Littlefinger and Varys are beyond butchered they make no sense even in the show's universe. Their plots are contradictory, why would littlefinger abandon his two strongest pieces, robin and sansa to men who have no reason to be loyal to him. Yohn royce has no reason to listen to littlefinger and indeed in the books would rather have him killed then follow his orders but in the show littlefinger simply leaves robin in his care and trusts his loyalty why are the lords of the vale suddenly littlfeigner's puppets abandoning sansa to the boltons is even more stupid done more for the drama than narrative sense especially in light of the next episode where he says he expects stannis to win. So littlefinger's master-plan is to deliver sansa to the boltons who have no reason not to kill him and promise him his support with the army of the vale which has no reason o be loyal to him only to expect the boltons to lose and stannis who would somehow save sansa afterwards to be his ally when ke just tried to ally with the boltons. And Varys the spy who tries to have dany killed and reports her actions to tywin  is now her biggest supporter.

 

The abandonment of the rvierlands, the brotherhood,edmure, the blackfish, making mace tyrell into a complete moron. The show is increasingly making poor decisions and increasingly  isn't an adaptation of the novels but an original and relatively poor story that only uses the names of the books

[darkelf]

Wasn't the biggest fan of the first 2 episodes but this one was pretty much brilliant. As non-event episodes go, this one's up there.

[cozmeesah]

It's only a poor story if you compare it TO the books. Just STOP doing that. Adaptation does not equal = exactly like the book. The characters are NOT the book characters and never were going to be. They didn't make this series just to cater to the book fans who cling to every detail. Just because they change something doesn't mean they don't understand the book characters. Maybe they simply didn't want to go that way on screen. Maybe they thought show watchers would like it better. Who knows? In fact I just skimmed over that post because I knew exactly what it would be and I couldn't care less.

If you're going to keep watching it, just erase all your knowledge of the books at 8:59pm every Sunday and enjoy it for what it is. The books are and will always be there in their original glory for all to enjoy and to bring to life in your own imagination. Trust me, doing so and stopping the overanalyzation helps immensely. Both with your enjoyment of a great show and in not annoying everyone else with incessant book purist bitching.

There are liberties, both good and bad, taken with every single written work that has been adapted to stage or screen. This is just how it is. The sooner everyone accepts that and stops comparing movie/TV Show to book/comic, the better off we'll all be.

Edited April 27, 2015 by House Cozmees of Everdeen

[boomboom234]

You are right but it is hard to do but some of my points were ignoring the books at all. In show it mkaes no sense for littlefinger, Jamie, Varys,to act as they have done, Loras is bad by any defintion show or book.  The show is losing narrative cohesion and trying to substitute drama in its place.

In addition adaptation doesn't mean free range to do whatever if characters are suddenly fundamentally different from their book counterpart that is a valid criticism to call that out

[4815162342]

Synopses and Episode titles for Episodes 4-8:

Episode 504: The Sons of the Harpy

The Faith Militant grow increasingly aggressive. Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) and Bronn (Jerome Flynn) head south. Ellaria (Indira Varma) and the Sand Snakes vow vengeance.

Written by Dave Hill; directed by Mark Mylod.


Episode 505: “Kill the Boy”

Dany (Emilia Clarke) makes a difficult decision in Meereen. Jon (Kit Harington) recruits the help of an unexpected ally. Brienne (Gwendoline Christie) searches for Sansa (Sophie Turner). Theon (Alfie Allen) remains under Ramsay’s (Iwan Rheon) control.

Written by Bryan Cogman; directed by Jeremy Podeswa.


Episode 506: “Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken”

Arya (Maisie Williams) trains. Jorah (Iain Glen) and Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) run into slavers. Trystane (Toby Sebastian) and Myrcella (Nell Tiger Free) make plans. Jaime and Bronn reach their destination. The Sand Snakes attack.

Written by Bryan Cogman; directed by Jeremy Podeswa.


Episode 507: “The Gift”

Jon prepares for conflict. Sansa tries to talk to Theon. Brienne waits for a sign. Stannis (Stephen Dillane) remains stubborn. Jaime attempts to reconnect with family.

Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss; directed by Miguel Sapochnik.


Episode 508: “Hardhome”

Arya makes progress in her training. Sansa confronts an old friend. Cersei (Lena Headey) struggles. Jon travels.

Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss; directed by Miguel Sapochnik.

[MovieMan89]

These first 3 episodes this season have seemed so slow to me. And it's weird because I really can't even complain because nothing has been bad. Its been good as usual. Just doesn't seem like a whole lot happening. Wonder when we're gonna catch up with Bran and co. A nice dose of the supernatural could definitely help.

[cozmeesah]

Bran & co is not in this season.

A lot has happened, I don't get that.

[The Panda]

I get tired of hearing, "They didn't do this exactly like the book did" and not just for Game of Thrones, for everything. It's an adaption and will translate differently but the heart of what the books Game of Thrones are is there. There's a difference when you adapt a book and there's a completely different story on the screen that doesn't capture even the spirit of what its adapting (such as with the Hobbit) but when you watch Game of Thrones you're getting the spirit and essence of the books. It could never be a word for word adaption (especially when books 4 and 5 are such slouches), but it's still Game of Thrones.

[Michael Gary Scott]

There have been 3 deaths in 3 episodes I don't get the complaint of nothing happening. I thought the first 3 episodes have been great.

[boomboom234]

I get tired of hearing, "They didn't do this exactly like the book did" and not just for Game of Thrones, for everything. It's an adaption and will translate differently but the heart of what the books Game of Thrones are is there. There's a difference when you adapt a book and there's a completely different story on the screen that doesn't capture even the spirit of what its adapting (such as with the Hobbit) but when you watch Game of Thrones you're getting the spirit and essence of the books. It could never be a word for word adaption (especially when books 4 and 5 are such slouches), but it's still Game of Thrones.

The problem is it is that in certain storylines it doesn't even capture the spirit but goes counter to it

[Spidey Freak]

Loras is bad by any defintion show or book. 

 

The best Loras scene was in Season 2 and was edited out:

 

 

Having said that, the Tyrells are such 2D ciphers in the books. The show has done a marvellous job fleshing out Margaery and Olenna. Mace is nothing to write home about in the books so it doesn't make a difference to me how he's portrayed on the show. Loras could do with a little more badassery but it's ok. He has his moments like in the tourney, Blackwater and the zingy comeback he delivered to Jaime in "The Lion and the Rose". It's not like his character has a satisfactory resolution in the books. Unspoiled me is sure the show will probably be an improvement there.

[4815162342]

Mace in the show is pretty similar to the book. Margaery is definitely fleshed out better, but Loras is extremely reduced in the show.

[solaris]

Pretty interesting interview with Benioff about changing Sansa's storyline from the books. 

 

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/26/game-thrones-sansa-ramsay-interview

 

Loved 'High Sparrow'. Definitely the best episode thus far. I'm actually starting to enjoy The Wall storylines.

[Boxx93]

They should have never cut that Loras/Margaery scene. It goes deeper into the character of Loras in a way the show never even bothered to do so-

 

By the way heres the Game Of Thrones ratings of last sunday:

 

 GAME OF THRONES             HBOM              9:02 PM           6711            3.5

 

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/04/28/sunday-cable-ratings-game-of-thrones-wins-night-nba-playoffs-real-housewives-of-atlanta-silicon-valley-mad-men-more/395207/

 

A little bit down but still pretty solid. Episode 5 is the first non leaked episode of the season so far, so the ratings should spike after that.

Edited April 28, 2015 by Boxx93

[DeeCee]

Pretty interesting interview with Benioff about changing Sansa's storyline from the books. 

 

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/26/game-thrones-sansa-ramsay-interview

 

Loved 'High Sparrow'. Definitely the best episode thus far. I'm actually starting to enjoy The Wall storylines.

It actually is making more sense now the Sansa story line.  The last 2 books became a bloated slog so keeping the story a bit tighter might make it more interesting.

[rockNrollaDIM]

They're really veering away from the books now, huh? I'm not sure what to do after this season.