John Marston Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Not hardly. The film did fine. It's performance can't be blamed on those who took crazy leaps of logic while flying over the canyon of the franchises history(including the studio). It's the franchises 50th year, bank on a film. STID cost a hell of a lot more to make and market than the old Star Trek movies. You cannot compare it like that, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Orci possibly directing? Devin Faraci melts down (in a hipstery sort of way): Please Jesus, Don't Let Roberto Orci Direct Star Trek 3 Orci, really? Edited April 23, 2014 by Magic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irastev Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 And, while we are at it, let's cast Shia as the next secret villain, who is totally not the lost space probe, give it a $400M budget, release it against Avatar 2 and call it "Star Trek: The Compendium of Our Smartest Ideas and Something Something Darkness", or STTCOOSIASSD for short. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitik Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 the fact that there is still not official release date yet shows that STID definitely underperformed LOL. Either that or the tiny little problem that they don't have a director and don't know who's going to run the Star Trek franchise going forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayumanggi Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I'm looking forward to this one. I enjoyed the first two movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 You know what the best Star Trek movie of this century is? MASTER & COMMANDER. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan7 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 DP's are working on set with the director every day in pre-production and during shooting. So you're saying Orci can be worse than pfister and his debut film Transcendence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 You know what the best Star Trek movie of this century is? MASTER & COMMANDER.I can dig it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichWS Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) So you're saying Orci can be worse than pfister and his debut film Transcendence? Most DP's who become directors can be at a disadvantage because their job was never to take care of the story. Obviously, many writers have become successful directors. The issue with Orci directing this is the dude doesn't have a lick of directing experience. I'm checking his IMDB and I don't see one second-unit gig, one single episode of television, not even a short film. I know he's been in the Bad Robot camp for years and he obviously wants a "promotion", but Paramount has every right to be very leery of handing this kind of massive project to him. Edited April 23, 2014 by RichWS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Most DP's who become directors can be at a disadvantage because their job was never to take care of the story. Obviously, many writers have become successful directors. The issue with Orci directing this is the dude doesn't have a lick of directing experience. I'm checking his IMDB and I don't see one second-unit gig, one single episode of television, not even a short film. I know he's been in the Bad Robot camp for years and he obviously wants a "promotion", but Paramount has every right to be very leery of handing this kind of massive project to him. Don't understand all the fuss, hasn't been confirmed yet. Kosinski and Sanders only had 2 shorts before Huntsman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichWS Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Don't understand all the fuss, hasn't been confirmed yet. Kosinski and Sanders only had 2 shorts before Huntsman. We know it hasn't been confirmed. Only discussing the pros and cons of his potential hiring. Kosinski and Sanders had years of directing high-priced commercials before they were hired for their first feature films. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Kosinski turned out well. Sanders not so much. Neo, regardless of past examples, it still remains a huge risk to consider a first-timer for a large production, especially a first-timer with such a mixed track record as a writer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Don't understand all the fuss, hasn't been confirmed yet. Kosinski and Sanders only had 2 shorts before Huntsman. TRON: LEGACY and HUNTSMAN kinda prove the point, don't they? Hardly what you want for your 50th anniversary of one of your flagpole franchises. (Not to mention, both Kosinski and Sanders had more production experience than someone like Orci; they were both commercial directors prior to their feature debuts). edit: goddammit, Rich! Edited April 23, 2014 by Telemachos 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Also Orci is a horrible horrible writer and a total loon to boot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 TRON: LEGACY and HUNTSMAN kinda prove the point, don't they? Hardly what you want for your 50th anniversary of one of your flagpole franchises. (Not to mention, both Kosinski and Sanders had more production experience than someone like Orci; they were both commercial directors prior to their feature debuts). edit: goddammit, Rich! Both were financial successes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichWS Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Also Orci is a horrible horrible writer and a total loon to boot But he loves Trek so much he'll go straight to the comments just to tell everybody how wrong they are, how he's a big writer and how Harry Ford is a close personal friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Both were financial successes. Hardly powerhouse successes, though.... and is that all you're looking for? Remember, this is S T A R T R E K... one of Paramount's crown jewels. Do you think the Broccoli family is gonna hand over BOND 25 to a writer who wants his first crack at directing? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Both were financial successes. Snow White- 396.6m WW against 170m production budget (marketing not included) Tron Legacy- 400m WW against 170m production budget (marketing not included) Considering the usual cost of a blockbuster marketing budget, both films didn't break even until home release/TV licensing/etc. And it's not just money that matters, we here also happen to give a big damn about the quality of the movie too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Hardly powerhouse successes, though.... and is that all you're looking for? Remember, this is S T A R T R E K... one of Paramount's crown jewels. Do you think the Broccoli family is gonna hand over BOND 25 to a writer who wants his first crack at directing? Enough to have sequels moving forward. Maybe. If he has had some years invested in the franchise like John Logan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Snow White- 396.6m WW against 170m production budget (marketing not included) Tron Legacy- 400m WW against 170m production budget (marketing not included) Considering the usual cost of a blockbuster marketing budget, both films didn't break even until home release/TV licensing/etc. And it's not just money that matters, we here also happen to give a big damn about the quality of the movie too. TL most definitely as for SW will need other revenue to move forward on the sequel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
