Weekend Actuals 5/9-5/11 Neigh 49, TASM 35.5, TOW 9.6, HIFR 7.5

[mahnamahna]

The performance of Dorothy is really bad, even for lower tier animation. It could struggle to hit $10m total with that opening.

 

Which means that HTTYD2 is really going to be filling a void when it's released.

Which is why it could very well top $400 million without actually deserving to. I seriously think Despicable Me 2 could have topped Toy Story 3 and Shrek 2 with the kind of competition there is this year, or maybe just Frozen. 

 

If Toy Story 3 didn't have Shrek Forever After and Karate Kid before, along with Last Airbender and Despicable Me the month after... could have made a run at $500 million with 3D and inflation. 

 

Sometimes a lack of competition lines up and provides an open gateway for an animated powerhouse at the box office  (Shrek 2 only had Prisoner of Azkaban which wasn't exactly kiddie anyways   , Frozen's total competition for the month before and two months after totaled $160 million for all three COMBINED, Finding Nemo had Daddy Day Care, everything else was pretty much PG-13 adult fare)

 

Hollywood should learn to balance competition all of the time. This summer, there's 7 widely released comedies coming out with less than 2 months of each other. Another 2 after (Sex Tape, and Let's Be Cops) 

 

Wish they'd spread stuff out to give people more to be excited about during the off-season (January, February, April (seems to be changing with Fast Five, the Rio franchise and Cap 2), September, and October). Those 5 months are precisely why ticket sales are falling. If Hollywood wants to succeed, they need to spread out the tentpoles) 

[4815162342]

Btw, completely off topic, but what the hell is Lady Sif doing in the Agents of SHIELD?

 

Looking hot.

 

And helping fight an Asgardian villain.

[dudalb]

Unfortunately for Sony, apathy has set in for SM. As big a comic book fan as I'm, I've yet to see TASM2 and I don't plan on seeing it either. Things need to change or BO will continue to be in toilet. At this rate I'm not sure TASM3 will beat either Thor1/CA1 total. Looking at where SM was with Raimi, this is truly shocking that TASM2 probably won't even sell a 1/3 of SM1's tickets. Sony needs to change things for future. Slowing down the production by giving it time to breath rather than having a sequel out within 2 years would help tremendously and also, they need to just produce a good movie so SM brand can be rebuilt because status quo is going to lead to disaster.  

Apathy is a good word for how the General Public received TASM2. And for a charecter as popular as Spidey,that is a good measure of ,from a box office viewpoint, SONY has failed with the reboot. They are scraping out fairly small profits for huge investments on a property that should be a Cash Cow for them.

I wonder if the mistake was going for a total reboot,instead of recasting and either going for "semi reboot" like Marvel did with The Incredible Hulk, where,really, the viewer is left to decide whether it happened in the same world as the first film or not.or simply contiuing with a different cast in major roles, which is what the James Bond series did until it got a reboot in "Casino Royale"/ just five years was way too soon for a total reboot.

[PDC1987]

I don't know how you can sit there and tell me it has nothing to do with the scenery. It's literally what's being presented. It's only a part of the equation, but it IS a part of the equation

 

And Marc Webb's sticking around, so a 12YAS vs Django comparison doesn't really apply

The visual style is down the the people working on those aspects of the film.

[dudalb]

Looking hot.

 

And helping fight an Asgardian villain.

It actually made some sense....Sif is sent to Earth to battle as escpaed Asgardian prisoner,and Sif runs into SHIELD Agents who have tracked the anonmalies that happen when somebody is teleported from Asgard to Earth.

[4815162342]

I know.

 

I was making light of it for fun.

[Jandrew]

Im late, but were people actually complaining about Spidey being in New York? So ASM3 needs to be in the Grand Cayman Islands? Detroit? Iraq? Saturn? Well Dubai has tall buildings lets put him there and have a climactic sandstorm battle.I dont see how that was even a discussion. There are many things that need to be changed, but the location? Naw. Spiderman IS NY, Superman is Metropolis, Batman is Gotham City, Spongebob is Bikini Bottom. Now for those characters it's easier to put them elsewhere because 1. it easier inter-activity with those series like with BvS, and 2. They dont have handicaps. For Spiderman to be able to be Spiderman, he needs tall buildings. Superman can fly anywhere and Bruce Wayne can just buy the city. Makes zero sense to take him out of New York (or even Manhattan, Brooklyn is mostly flat). ASM3 has a tall order, but placing Spiderman in Mexico is not going to help the gross. At all.

[BadAtGender]

Which is why it could very well top $400 million without actually deserving to. I seriously think Despicable Me 2 could have topped Toy Story 3 and Shrek 2 with the kind of competition there is this year, or maybe just Frozen. 

 

If Toy Story 3 didn't have Shrek Forever After and Karate Kid before, along with Last Airbender and Despicable Me the month after... could have made a run at $500 million with 3D and inflation. 

 

Sometimes a lack of competition lines up and provides an open gateway for an animated powerhouse at the box office  (Shrek 2 only had Prisoner of Azkaban which wasn't exactly kiddie anyways   , Frozen's total competition for the month before and two months after totaled $160 million for all three COMBINED, Finding Nemo had Daddy Day Care, everything else was pretty much PG-13 adult fare)

 

Hollywood should learn to balance competition all of the time. This summer, there's 7 widely released comedies coming out with less than 2 months of each other. Another 2 after (Sex Tape, and Let's Be Cops) 

 

Wish they'd spread stuff out to give people more to be excited about during the off-season (January, February, April (seems to be changing with Fast Five, the Rio franchise and Cap 2), September, and October). Those 5 months are precisely why ticket sales are falling. If Hollywood wants to succeed, they need to spread out the tentpoles) 

 

Ehh... I'm not so sure about any of that. $400m is hard, and I hesitate to say that any film can do it, regardless of competition. I don't think there's any indication that the competition had any strong effect on DM2 or that it would have gotten another $40+ had the schedule been more clear

 

I mean, it earned more than Turbo on the weekend that opened. The drop it experienced was similar to the previous weekend's drop. And when Smurfs 2 opened, DM2 still held up fine. (Turbo, however, did not.)

 

In its entire run, it never had a weekend drop of even 50%. That's pretty amazing. But in order to get to $400, it would have needed to hold up much better in its second weekend, when there was no competition to speak of. Turbo and Smurfs 2 and even Planes might have knocked a bit off its potential, but not nearly that much.

 

Similarly, I doubt TS3 would have earned another $85m with weaker competition. It could have gotten a bit more, and (though I hesitate to say for sure ) possibly challenged Shrek 2, but $500m was never in the cards. Its attendance figures are pretty close to TS2's, so we can reasonably say that the audience that did go see it is probably the audience it was going to have, regardless of competition.

 

As for HTTYD2, well, the audience might be itchy to get something animated, but again, there's little reason to believe it's going to turn around and come close to doubling the predecessor. I'm currently thinking it will gross over $300m... and that will be a very nice increase over the former. especially since 3D shares have dropped since the first was released. It will need to overperform in a big way, with an opening weekend that's well beyond most expectations, to get to $400m.

 

Still, I'm confused by your statement that it could get there without deserving to.

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Anybody here see God Loves Uganda? I hear it's a very touching film.

[4815162342]

Well Dubai has tall buildings lets put him there and have a climactic sandstorm battle.

 

Sandman would be unstoppable.

[Sam]

Late to the party but damn, dat Heaven for Real numbers are amazing. The Sun increase, the weekend drop, everything :oAwesome for the Cap. Keep marching onwards.

[baumer]

This will help

 

Sure, it will help, but it will top out at 100 mill.  That will make the North American loss in gross a wash.  750 at this point imo is 50/50.

[druv10]

Sure, it will help, but it will top out at 100 mill.  That will make the North American loss in gross a wash.  750 at this point imo is 50/50.

 

750M isn't happening. It's 50/50 to beat CA:TWS around 720M. 

[baumer]

Imagine someone posting this on BOM back in 2004."That's a good result for Spider-Man 2, not far off the original at the domestic box office. However, a Thor movie has a good shot of one day boasting a bigger domestic box office then a Spider-Man movie."

 

"The cameraman in Anchorman is going to have a comedy in ten years from now that will knock a Spiderman film out of the top slot in it's second week and it has a chance to out gross it for the year."

 

Imagine...

[#ED]

Wtf...Those actuals...I missed a lot today.

[Dementeleus]

Wtf...Those actuals...I missed a lot today.

 

If you stopped schmoozing with celebs maybe you'd keep up.

[#ED]

If you stopped schmoozing with celebs maybe you'd keep up.

Dat BOT faces thread has like 3 Celebs on 1 page.

[baumer]

It's exactly the sort of surface gloss that execs think will make all the difference, and it doesn't matter at all. 

 

You know what matters? Making a good movie with characters people care about.

 

I agree with you 100%. 

 

This might be off the beaten path a little, but that's why people love films like Pulp Fiction.  It's not the setting and it's not the guns and it's not so much blowing off Marvin's head, it's the characters.  You care about every single one of them, even the minor ones like Captain Koonts.  Tarantino writes characters we get invested in.  That is what Spider-man needs first and foremost.  

 

Hell, give Tarantino a chance to do a Spider-man film.  

[The Panda]

I may just have to quit the forums, they stopped reporting the only movie I care about,The Not Job

[4815162342]

I agree with you 100%. 

 

This might be off the beaten path a little, but that's why people love films like Pulp Fiction.  It's not the setting and it's not the guns and it's not so much blowing off Marvin's head, it's the characters.  You care about every single one of them, even the minor ones like Captain Koonts.  Tarantino writes characters we get invested in.  That is what Spider-man needs first and foremost.  

 

Hell, give Tarantino a chance to do a Spider-man film.  

 

Tarantino would put the web shooters on Spidey's ankles.