Monday Numbers: 22J 6.9,HTTYD2 5.1,Malef 2.2

[Jandrew]

MPAA ratings aren't legally binding, are they? Technically theaters can admit whomever they want for any movie, though there are strong disincentives for them to do so.

Its not a law, but whats crazy is at my theater, if you are under 17 but want to see an R rated movie, you have to be accompanied by someone 21 or up. Dafuq? So a 17 year old cant buy his 16 year old gf a ticket and go in? Ive seen them cause issues for underage people before, its ridiculous, they act like rated R equals automatic porn and chopped off heads. Crazy how 16 year olds cant get in something like PA or Ted or Kings Speech or Matrix. The MPAA needs a rating between PG13 and R or they need 2 R's. Thats so stupid. 12 year olds play COD and GTA and they cuss up a storm in middle school, but God forbid more than 2 Fwords in a 2 hour movie. Edited June 18, 2014 by Jandrew

[Deep Wang]

And children watching violent movies is a good thing? I am really surprised. The effect of violence in movies is clearly underestimated.

Or maybe it's nothing. I've been watching violent R Rated movies since I was 9-10. I don't own a gun. I've never shot, stabbed, or robbed someone. I've never commited a crime, or done any kind of drug(not even weed, not even once). It's not the movies fault. It's not the music's fault. It's not video games' fault either.

[Deep Wang]

Its not a law, but whats crazy is at my theater, if you are under 17 but want to see an R rated movie, you have to be accompanied by someone 21 or up. Dafuq?

First off, that's not just your theater. That's every theater that has that rule. It's been that way since I was trying to get my sister to take me and my friends to see Johnny Mnemonic and she was not 21, so we couldn't go.

[MrPink]

First off, that's not just your theater. That's every theater that has that rule. It's been that way since I was trying to get my sister to take me and my friends to see Johnny Mnemonic and she was not 21, so we couldn't go.

 

The theater was looking out for your best interests, breh.

[Ozymandias]

And children watching violent movies is a good thing? I am really surprised. The effect of violence in movies is clearly underestimated.

 

Um, yes its a good thing... horrific violence in movie makes kids want to become doctors, police officers, and lawyers.

 

This makes about as much sense as blaming violent movies/games for violence in society.

[grim22]

I've seen it literally the past five times I've been at a movie.

 

I seem to rarely get the good trailers. I have seen the Jersey Boys trailer at least 10 times before different movies. I remember I had got the Frankenweenie trailer so many times before movies that the trailer actively turned me off from ever watching that movie.

 

Trailers from upcoming movies (through mid-August) which I haven't seen before any movie I have seen this summer:

- Transformers 4

- Earth To Echo

- Planes

- Lucy

- GOTG

- TMNT (will almost definitely be seeing the new trailer for this before Transformers 4 though)

- Expendables 3

- As Above, So Below

[Deep Wang]

The theater was looking out for your best interests, breh.

 

You think I cared at the time, lol

[Jandrew]

First off, that's not just your theater. That's every theater that has that rule. It's been that way since I was trying to get my sister to take me and my friends to see Johnny Mnemonic and she was not 21, so we couldn't go.

I know its not just mine, but I wasnt sure exactly how widespread the rule was, and my theater really enforces it, compared to the Regal up the road that lets my 16 y/o brother in without mom, so I just used mine as example. Still a stupid rule when most content isnt that bad. Love ya, but you dont have to say "first off" like that though, comes off a little stern.

[MrPink]

You think I cared at the time, lol

 

If my theater prevented me from seeing Batman and Robin, I could be so different. Johnny Mnemonic, lol

 

 

I seem to rarely get the good trailers. I have seen the Jersey Boys trailer at least 10 times before different movies. I remember I had got the Frankenweenie trailer so many times before movies that the trailer actively turned me off from ever watching that movie.

 

Trailers from upcoming movies (through mid-August) which I haven't seen before any movie I have seen this summer:

- Transformers 4

- Earth To Echo

- Planes

- Lucy

- GOTG

- TMNT (will almost definitely be seeing the new trailer for this before Transformers 4 though)

- Expendables 3

- As Above, So Below

 

I've seen Jersey Boys the past few times as well. Also seen EX3 a good 4-5 times. Lucy a few times.

[ACSlater]

You think I cared at the time, lol

 

You just buy a ticket to something else and go watch what you want

[BadAtGender]

There is an argument that desensitizing people to violent acts is a problem, and the pervasiveness of it in media is a problem, but it's not really an issue on a specific film level. (See also the constant objectification of women in media and how that shapes societal beliefs and gender issues.)

 

There are a lot of forces at play that can key into a person's development, and people don't develop in the same way or the same speed as others. While some kids are perfectly fine with R-rated films early in life, others will not be. The key to knowing the difference is going to primarily be the job of the parents. The reason theaters are going to have hard and fast rules about who can or cannot get into an R-rated film is because they do not want to be parents to the children. By forcing parents to show up with their kids (or with someone who is legally responsible, hence the 21 or older companion requirement), the theater gets away from dealing with any pesky issues of being blamed for letting a kid into a movie.

 

Now, whether the rating of films is at all accurate or worthwhile is an entirely separate issue. One too many fucks or show a breast, and you've got an R, but there's a shit ton of violence that can show up in PG-13. There's a lot of screwy stuff going on there.

[Deep Wang]

I know its not just mine, but I wasnt sure exactly how widespread the rule was, and my theater really enforces it, compared to the Regal up the road that lets my 16 y/o brother in without mom, so I just used mine as example. Still a stupid rule when most content isnt that bad. Love ya, but you dont have to say "first off" like that though, comes off a little stern.

 

First off, I can't help how that comes off.  I have to deal with kids like you guys 20 times a night.  You try doing that and not getting a little stern.

 

Secondly, It can't be on a content by content basis, because who decides what content is less bad than others?  Your parents might think one thing and my parents another.

 

I agree that the ratings system here in the states is incredibly antiquated.  But, this country has far bigger issues that it needs to deal with than how we rate out movies.

[grim22]

In case anyone hasn't seen this yet

 

http://youtu.be/Wpd2VaFt5iY

[Jandrew]

There is an argument that desensitizing people to violent acts is a problem, and the pervasiveness of it in media is a problem, but it's not really an issue on a specific film level. (See also the constant objectification of women in media and how that shapes societal beliefs and gender issues.) There are a lot of forces at play that can key into a person's development, and people don't develop in the same way or the same speed as others. While some kids are perfectly fine with R-rated films early in life, others will not be. The key to knowing the difference is going to primarily be the job of the parents.

You know what would be a good experiment? Okay, theres a 12 year old that grew up in the hood, around drugs, abuse, and the sounds of gunshots. Then their is spoiled, pamered kid that grew up in the hills in a gated community. The hood kid has never seen a movie in his life, but the rich kids' parents let him watch violent R and play M rated games everyday. Theyre 12 years old so they start middle school, which one would be most likely to get into a violent fight?

[Deep Wang]

You know what would be a good experiment? Okay, theres a 12 year old that grew up in the hood, around drugs, abuse, and the sounds of gunshots. Then their is spoiled, pamered kid that grew up in the hills in a gated community. The hood kid has never seen a movie in his life, but the rich kids' parents let him watch violent R and play M rated games everyday. Theyre 12 years old so they start middle school, which one would be most likely to get into a violent fight?

 

 

The answer would be the kid with the worse parents.

[Jandrew]

First off, I can't help how that comes off. I have to deal with kids like you guys 20 times a night. You try doing that and not getting a little stern.Secondly, It can't be on a content by content basis, because who decides what content is less bad than others? Your parents might think one thing and my parents another.I agree that the ratings system here in the states is incredibly antiquated. But, this country has far bigger issues that it needs to deal with than how we rate out movies.

First, "you guys?" Why put me in it? Im 20, but even when I was under 17 I didnt have to deal with that. Im speaking for other people Ive seen and heard from. The only time I was remotely involved was when me and a group of friends were having a Halloween night out and wanted to see PA2. I was 17, but most of the group was 16. Even though it was rated R for NINE f-words, we had to call a mom to come sit and watch with us. I was at least still of age. But I take a walk in the mall and hear 9 f-words. No gore, no vaginas, just "fuck", and not even fuck in a sexual matter, but a "holy shit that startled me!" manner.Secondly, if youre in the real world, youre exposed to language eveywhere. Especially in middle and high school. So hearing "fuck" in Ted shouldnt be an issue. No you DONT personally see people getting shot in the face everyday like in GTA and COD. Yes the feelings on content are relative, but too much emphasis is put on one thing and not another. Now you know something like TKS or PA2 should be okay. Wolf and Saw is not. R is too broad and we all know that. PG13 is also too broad in the violence department, we know that as well. Thirdly, why even bring up the last sentence? This was a movie discussion and I was talking about a movie theater issue. I realize theres other issues in the world, but what does that have to do with anything I was talking about? Did I say "who cares about troops in Iraq? The government needs to spend their time getting the MPAA together so 15 year olds can look at titties"? No. Edited June 18, 2014 by Jandrew

[ecstasy]

Looks like I'll be having a confrontation with E about it.Those two better. They have explaining to do.

 

I have no explanation, lol. Blame Jandrew.

[Deep Wang]

First, "you guys?" Why put me in it? Im 20, but even when I was under 17 I didnt have to deal with that. Im speaking for other people Ive seen and heard from. The only time I was remotely involved was when me and a group of friends were having a Halloween night out and wanted to see PA2. I was 17, but most of the group was 16. Even though it was rated R for NINE f-words, we had to call a mom to come sit and watch with us. I was at least still of age. But I take a walk in the mall and hear 9 f-words. No gore, no vaginas, just "fuck", and not even fuck in a sexual matter, but a "holy shit that startled me!" manner.

Secondly, if youre in the real world, youre exposed to language eveywhere. Especially in middle and high school. So hearing "fuck" in Ted shouldnt be an issue. No you DONT personally see people getting shot in the face everyday like in GTA and COD. Yes the feelings on content are relative, too much emphasis is put on one thing and not another. Know you know something like TKS or PA2 should be okay. Wolf and Saw is not. R is too broad and we all know that. PG13 is also too broad in the violence department, we know that as well.Thirdly, why even bring up the last sentence? This was a movie discussion and I was talking about a movie theater issue. I realize theres other issues in the world, but what does that have to do with anything I was talking about? Did I say "who cares about troops in Iraq? The government needs to spend their time getting the MPAA together so 15 year olds can look at titties"? No.

 

Jeez, so angry!  I didn't know how old you were, but you were using an example that included you, so I ran with it.  I've done it, we've all done it, but we all know it's against the rules and there shouldn't be any bitching or moaning because you couldn't get in.  It's like when people make a big stink about not being able to bring in outside food or drinks.  It's always been that way and you know it, so get over it(not talking to you specifically).  

 

You are preaching to the choir about all of this too, by the way.  That is what I meant when I think it's antiquated, but I brought up the last sentence because at the end of the day, is it really that big of a deal.  I haven't cared about that rule once I hit 17, until I started working at the theater, of course.

 

Relax!  I promise I am just talking with you, nothing more!

[filmlover]

It's like when people make a big stink about not being able to bring in outside food or drinks.

Unless they sneak 'em in.

[ACSlater]

Unless they sneak 'em in.

 

Ha...I was the 22 Jump Street Matinee...in between the trailers and the main movie starting there was silence and suddenly you hear a loud pop of the soda can go off...