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Official Weekend Estimates (Page 30): The Jungle Book - 60.8M (96M OS) | The Huntsman: Winter's War - 20.1M | Barbershop 3 - 10.8M | Zootopia - 6.6M | BvS - 5.5M

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Lordmandeep Global Phenomenon

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It's not guys only.

 

Female audiences can be super critical of the looks of an older actress.

 

Looks are important for a female in a big blockbuster movie the most it seems.

People want decent acting but beauty and eye candy and good personality.

 

Perfect example was Rachel Weiz in the orginal MUMMY. 

 

Another example is the actress in JW. She had horrible acting but was eye candy to the masses. 

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14 minutes ago, Telemachos said:

 

I get your sports analogy, but when a young star replaces an older one, it's because they are more athletically gifted. They can do more than the older guy. They have better reflexes, which translates directly to how they can impact a game. But it's not the same with acting. Actually, you could argue in most cases the reverse is true -- you become better as an actor the more experiences (and life experiences) you get.

 

Ageism hits actors regardless of gender (though the A-list guys are certainly better off than everyone else, and the women generally get hit harder). And the problem with using high-profile A-listers as examples is yes, of course they're well-compensated. But the thousands of lesser-known actresses who aren't get hammered just as hard (or harder!) by the age thing. If you're a working actor who's in their mid-to-late-30s and you maybe get a small walk-on role in a movie (for a week or two of work), and maybe a couple of appearances in a TV show (another few weeks of work)... it's hard to make a living doing that. How does it help us when these performers -- regardless of talent? -- are driven from the industry because there's no jobs for them?

 

None of this really affects you or me except as an audience-member. But doesn't it kind of suck for us too, that these various talented people we enjoy seeing are getting shoved to the side for literally no other reason than a casting director or producer would rather fuck some hot young thing? (Not to say that they actually do fuck them, but honestly the "who would I like to fuck?" question is often a deciding factor for roles). And what does it mean when we're slowly headed towards a point where there's gonna be no major roles portrayed by a 35-50 year-old woman?

 

 

 

I don't disagree with any of this.  But the odds of breaking into Hollywood and making a living off of it, are astronomical.  Just like sports.  There are millions upon millions of kids who play organized sports each year who dream of making a professional sports league.  And 99% of them don't.  People know how massive the odds are against them when they embark on the dream of making it big.  So while it sucks that Hollywood is the way it is, people know the risks when they embark on that road to stardom.  So they kind of have no one to blame but themselves.  It's a gamble, just like winning at blackjack or poker.  The allure of that final table at the Taj, playing heads up with Phil Hellmuth is what gets thousands of people every year to pay the $10,000 entry fee into the world series of poker.  Someone's going to win, so why not me?  It's the same as trying to break into Hollywood.  

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10 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said:

It's not guys only.

 

Female audiences can be super critical of the looks of an older actress.

 

Looks are important for a female in a big blockbuster movie the most it seems.

People want decent acting but beauty and eye candy and good personality.

 

Perfect example was Rachel Weiz in the orginal MUMMY. 

 

Another example is the actress in JW. She had horrible acting but was eye candy to the masses. 

 

You think Bryce Dallas Howard was bad in JW?  LOL, really?

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2 minutes ago, Maxmoser3 said:

domestic total projections: The Jungle Book:305 million, The Huntsman:Winter's War:60 million, Barbershop:The Next Cut:60 million.

 

If JB really does 60 mill this weekend, it will make a hell of a lot more than 305 mill.

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2 minutes ago, Baumer said:

 

I don't disagree with any of this.  But the odds of breaking into Hollywood and making a living off of it, are astronomical.  Just like sports.  There are millions upon millions of kids who play organized sports each year who dream of making a professional sports league.  And 99% of them don't.  People know how massive the odds are against them when they embark on the dream of making it big.  So while it sucks that Hollywood is the way it is, people know the risks when they embark on that road to stardom.  So they kind of have no one to blame but themselves.  It's a gamble, just like winning at blackjack or poker.  The allure of that final table at the Taj, playing heads up with Phil Hellmuth is what gets thousands of people every year to pay the $10,000 entry fee into the world series of poker.  Someone's going to win, so why not me?  It's the same as trying to break into Hollywood.  

 

Sure. But again, how does it help movies (or moviegoers) to throw aside anyone who's over 40?

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Captain America:Civil War is going to debut with 170 OW and make 400 million domestic. Disney will be having their best year ever because it looks like on the yearly top 10 domestic they have 7 potential titles to be on the top 10 this year, and have 4 films to make a $1 billion worldwide.

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Sure. But again, how does it help movies (or moviegoers) to throw aside anyone who's over 40?

Well, that's just one of many problems the industry has with issues of inclusiveness

Do we need some sort of affirmative action program for movies/actors?

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11 minutes ago, Telemachos said:

 

I get your sports analogy, but when a young star replaces an older one, it's because they are more athletically gifted. They can do more than the older guy. They have better reflexes, which translates directly to how they can impact a game. But it's not the same with acting. Actually, you could argue in most cases the reverse is true -- you become better as an actor the more experiences (and life experiences) you get.

 

Ageism hits actors regardless of gender (though the A-list guys are certainly better off than everyone else, and the women generally get hit harder). And the problem with using high-profile A-listers as examples is yes, of course they're well-compensated. But the thousands of lesser-known actresses who aren't get hammered just as hard (or harder!) by the age thing. If you're a working actor who's in their mid-to-late-30s and you maybe get a small walk-on role in a movie (for a week or two of work), and maybe a couple of appearances in a TV show (another few weeks of work)... it's hard to make a living doing that. How does it help us when these performers -- regardless of talent? -- are driven from the industry because there's no jobs for them?

 

None of this really affects you or me except as an audience-member. But doesn't it kind of suck for us too, that these various talented people we enjoy seeing are getting shoved to the side for literally no other reason than a casting director or producer would rather fuck some hot young thing? (Not to say that they actually do fuck them, but honestly the "who would I like to fuck?" question is often a deciding factor for roles). And what does it mean when we're slowly headed towards a point where there's gonna be no major roles portrayed by a 35-50 year-old woman?

 

 

The roles aren't as lucrative or attractive for 40 year old woman. It was well addresses in "searching for debra winger" who won an Oscar and was huge for a while and disappeared.

 

But the other fact is most stars have 5 good years then fade.  they can get replaced by a new actress, Jane come lately, of the same age for an older role.

Cary grant said it best.  Hollywood is like a trolley car. 

"Charles Chaplin is waiting a long time at a trolley car stop. He's the first in line of what turns out to be a huge crowd. The trolley finally arrives, he's the first one on, but then the crowd behind him surges through the door and pushes him right through the door on the other side. And that's a lot like what Hollywood is like. When you're a young man, Douglas Fairbanks Sr. is driving. Wallace Beery is the conductor, and Charles Chaplin's got a front-row seat. You take your seat, and back behind you is Gary Cooper. He has got his long feet stuck out in front of one of the exit doors, and people keep tripping over him and onto the street. Suddenly a young man named Tyrone Power gets on. He asks you to move over. You make a picture with Joan Fontaine. You think you do a good job, but she wins the Oscar, and you get nothing. And pretty soon more and more people get on, it's getting very crowded, and then you decide to get off. When you get off the trolley, you notice that it's been doing nothing but going around in circles. It doesn't go anywhere. You see the same things over and over. So you might as well get off"

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10 minutes ago, Telemachos said:

 

Sure. But again, how does it help movies (or moviegoers) to throw aside anyone who's over 40?

 

I don't think movie goers really care.  

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