Skyscraper | July 13 2018 | Legendary | Rawson Marshall Thurber directing. The Rock. China co-production, set in China.

[Krissykins]

16 hours ago, Barnack said:

He didn't said that, if people are referring to is last post:

 

Our film will cross $200M this coming weekend and eventually become profitable for all investors - and that’s all that matters in the end game. 
Sorry MAMA MIA 2 and EQUALIZER 2, thank you both for the fight, but there can only be one #1. 
Now of course, I’m preparing to take a right cross KO to face this weekend by Tom’s Mission Impossible 😂😂 but hey, BRING IT ON, because I live and love to compete. 
THANK YOU FANS WORLDWIDE for making us #1. 

Obviously focusing on worldwide only here, in his previous post he totally ignored the domestic box office opening, again this week ignoring the 60% second weekend drop and the fact that those two other movies didn’t open in China this weekend. 

 

He did this with Baywatch too, only focused on international numbers and completely ignored the domestic flop. 

 

I guess theres no point dwelling on the negative if youre posting to your fans. 

[Barnack]

4 hours ago, Krissykins said:

I guess theres no point dwelling on the negative if youre posting to your fans. 

He is obviously not really commenting/analyzing on a movie box office.

 

He is promoting the movie and itself and that will be what he will do with every message he ever write on a social media platform that is what they are for. (like everyone, speaking is a biological evolutionary tool human developed to show their value to the group and use almost exclusively to do this)

 

It will sound very much the same than when a deadline publish a report the distributor give them, with the only mention made are to make the movie look as good as possible, it openned in 27 market they mention the 5 over which they can compare it to a movie that was an nice hit or 5th best opening for Sony in Hungary for a spring release type of sentence.

 

Or when Fandango talk about pre-sales/records for a hyped next release, they will sound ridiculous because they are not trying to do the best prediction here, just trying to promote sales, because a lot of people that goes to the movie have has number 1 or 2 deciding factor what is the buzz around the movie and is it popular/banking at the box office.

Edited July 25, 2018 by Barnack

[Macleod]

Hollywood Reporter counter-claims in their piece on Legendary/Pikachu's move to Warner Bros. that Skyscraper "will ultimately be a money loser."  But they could simply be referring to domestic/U.S. 

[TalismanRing]

15 minutes ago, Macleod said:

Hollywood Reporter counter-claims in their piece on Legendary/Pikachu's move to Warner Bros. that Skyscraper "will ultimately be a money loser."  But they could simply be referring to domestic/U.S. 

Deadline said the same last week which makes sense since they also said it would take Rampage 2 years in ancillary to make a profit and it's looks like it will make significantly more WW as well as domestic - though both with a huge China %.

[OdinSon2k14]

The US is where you want to kick ass, it's the "glamour" region of the box office. It's the PRESTIGE.

 

Repeatedly getting his tailed kicked here is really bothering The Rock 🤣. That's why he's emphasizing global.

 

Even Rampage's #1 opening. Barely beat A Quiet Place, a low budget horror flick, in its second weekend. Even more embarrassing, AQP got off the deck, won the following weekdays, the following weekend, and crushed Rampage from then on 🤣. 

 

So this is really eating at The Rock's ego, so he goes into propaganda mode on his social media 🤣

[Jay Beezy]

16 hours ago, Barnack said:

Outside something I does not know, that movie made more than 2.5 time it's rumored budget

 

Baywatch
 

Production Budget: $69 million

 

Total Lifetime Grosses

Domestic:	$58,060,186	32.6%
+ Foreign:	$119,796,565	67.4%
= Worldwide:	$177,856,751

 

 

With no China box office here, so far from a bomb that it would not surprise me if it turned a little profit.

69M production budget before marketing. Baywatch did not turn a profit.

 

What’s uniquely moronic about Baywatch was that it’s a Chinese co-production that didn’t get a China release outside of Hong Kong.

Edited July 25, 2018 by Jay Beezy

[Jay Beezy]

On 7/23/2018 at 5:14 PM, dudalb said:

Speaking of China, Hollywood studio execs very worried that the tariff/trade war will spread to the entertainment industry, with bad consequences.

That might be a good thing. That way creative integrity can return to blockbusters and they can learn that trying to please everyone will likely make you please no one.

[Barnack]

22 minutes ago, Jay Beezy said:

69M production budget before marketing. Baywatch did not turn a profit.

 

Obviously, but it still made 178m no China release here.

 

No perfect comparable, but Sony accounting team had Monument men 207.35m in revenues with a 179m world box office and making 20m in profits at a 69m budget and a standard 75m world release P&A, break even point was at 150m (65dbo/85intl).

 

For momument men it would have been expected to play like this at 74 dbo / 105m intl:

Dom rentals: 39.2m

Intl rental: 40.01m

Dom hom ent: 29.6m

dom pay per view / vod: 8..67m

intl home ent: 22.37m

intl vod: 4.77m

dom pay tv: 9.3m

dom free tv: 8.87m

intl tv: 42.26m

airlines: 2.3m

Total revenues: 207.35

 

Production budget: 69.3m

Overhead: 8.36m (12%)

residual: 5.37m

creative share: People on CB-0, not first dollar gross, almost nill

Releasing cost including home ent and tv: 104.32m

Total cost: around 187m

 

gross profit: around 20m, around 10% margin (all from intl tv, so during year 2)

 

Remove a little bit domestic, add a little bit intl, R-rated comedy can do well on rental but who knows.... 

 

Regardless, it was certainly not a flop, not close to even in conversation to be a movie loosing a big amount of money.

Edited July 25, 2018 by Barnack

[Captain Craig]

Well Skyscraper has now crossed $51m domestic, maybe Mr.Johnson will crow a bit about that. 

[Jay Beezy]

3 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Obviously, but it still made 178m no China release here.

 

No perfect comparable, but Sony accounting team had Monument men 207.35m in revenues with a 179m world box office and making 20m in profits at a 69m budget and a standard 75m world release P&A, break even point was at 150m (65dbo/85intl).

 

For momument men it would have been expected to play like this at 74 dbo / 105m intl:

Dom rentals: 39.2m

Intl rental: 40.01m

Dom hom ent: 29.6m

dom pay per view / vod: 8..67m

intl home ent: 22.37m

intl vod: 4.77m

dom pay tv: 9.3m

dom free tv: 8.87m

intl tv: 42.26m

airlines: 2.3m

Total revenues: 207.35

 

Production budget: 69.3m

Overhead: 8.36m (12%)

residual: 5.37m

creative share: People on CB-0, not first dollar gross, almost nill

Releasing cost including home ent and tv: 104.32m

Total cost: around 187m

 

gross profit: around 20m, around 10% margin (all from intl tv, so during year 2)

 

Remove a little bit domestic, add a little bit intl, R-rated comedy can do well on rental but who knows.... 

 

Regardless, it was certainly not a flop, not close to even in conversation to be a movie loosing a big amount of money.

Your post seems completely oblivious to the fact that the studio does not retain all revenues.

[Heat Vision]

Nothing is bigger than The Rock's ego. Dude can't take a lost.

Edited July 25, 2018 by Heat Vision

[Jay Beezy]

1 minute ago, Heat Vision said:

Nothing is bigger than The Rock's ego. Dude can't take an lost.

I'm starting to like Vin Diesel more right now.

[Barnack]

10 minutes ago, Jay Beezy said:

Your post seems completely oblivious to the fact that the studio does not retain all revenues.

How rental of 80m on 179m of box office (45% world retention rate average) make by post oblivious to the fact the studio does not retain all revenues ?

 

All those line are studio point of views revenues and expense, not sales.

[Jay Beezy]

1 minute ago, Barnack said:

How rental of 80m on 179m of box office (45% world retention rate average) make by post oblivious to the fact the studio does not retain all revenues ?

 

All those line are studio point of views revenues and expense, not sales.

69M production budget plus 30M+ P&A spend = 100M+ total budget

 

If the studio only retains 80M, that's a loss.

[Barnack]

13 minutes ago, Jay Beezy said:

69M production budget plus 30M+ P&A spend = 100M+ total budget

 

If the studio only retains 80M, that's a loss.

What is the 30M in that equation ? What 100m + total budget mean ?

 

I made a clear line by line of how a performance like this look like, using actual studio accountant leaked work, if there is term you do not understand do not hesitate to ask, but no if a studio retain only 80m it is not necessarily mean a loss, rental is usually around 35-40% of a movie revenues (outside the big blockbuster), so if it retain 80m chance are good of making 200m+ and making a bit of money.

Edited July 25, 2018 by Barnack

[Blaze Heatnix]

Baywatch made 58 million domestic and 119 million overseas ( no China release ).

 

Usually producers get half ( 50% ) of domestic numbers and 40% from overseas grosses ( except for China, where most of the producers get 25% ). 

 

Baywatch's budget seems to be 69 million. So, let's go:

 

50% of 58 million domestic = 29 million

 

40% of 119 million overseas = 47.6 million

 

 

So, 29 + 47.6 = 76.6 million.  So, in theory it could have made a profit. The other 50% of domestic numbers are split between distributors and theaters, I think. 

[Heat Vision]

28 minutes ago, Jay Beezy said:

I'm starting to like Vin Diesel more right now.

Vin Diesel is the same but even he recognizes he's a one trick pony and sticks to Fast and Furious for the most part.

[Jay Beezy]

9 minutes ago, Barnack said:

What is the 30M in that equation ? What 100m + total budget mean ?

 

I made a clear line by line of how a performance like this look like, using actual studio accountant leaked work, if there is term you do not understand do not hesitate to ask, but no is studio retain only 80m it is not necessarily a loss, rental is often around 35-40% of a movie revenues (outside the big blockbuster), so if it retain 80m chance are good of making 200m+ and making a bit of money.

30M prints and advertising. Just a guesstimate. I don't know the actual P&A number but it has to be at least 30M. And add that to the 69M production costs and you're likely looking at a combined cost of 100M+.

 

What matters most to a studio is how much money they get from a movie when it's in *theaters*. They want their movies to be moneymakers at the box office first and foremost. If the studio doesn't recoup its budget at the box office, then it's a flop.

[Jay Beezy]

12 minutes ago, Blaze Heatnix said:

Baywatch made 58 million domestic and 119 million overseas ( no China release ).

 

Usually producers get half ( 50% ) of domestic numbers and 40% from overseas grosses ( except for China, where most of the producers get 25% ). 

 

Baywatch's budget seems to be 69 million. So, let's go:

 

50% of 58 million domestic = 29 million

 

40% of 119 million overseas = 47.6 million

 

 

So, 29 + 47.6 = 76.6 million.  So, in theory it could have made a profit. The other 50% of domestic numbers are split between distributors and theaters, I think. 

This math still excludes marketing and distribution costs.

[KeepItU25071906]

10 minutes ago, Heat Vision said:

Vin Diesel is the same but even he recognizes he's a one trick pony and sticks to Fast and Furious for the most part.

one problem: Rock can use his trick pony in different movies, Diesel- not. Oops