Thursday Numbers (June 22): TF5 8.1M, Cars 3 4.4M, WW 4M (Deadline)

[Rman823]

9 minutes ago, JohnnyGossamer said:

Rottentomatoes is literally part of Flixster, right? It's pushed into peoples faces. It honestly kind of hard to avoid even for someone that's just a casual moviegoer.

Plus if the score's good it's added on tv spots and blu-ray/DVD covers. 

[a2k]

56 minutes ago, damnitgeorge08 said:

Yep, f8 is a blockbuster. Thing with TF5 is that majority of its gross is from china.

25% of 300- 75

40% of 300- 120

And 65 dom. Total 260. This is similar to ASM2. Lower budget than that but china gross is much bigger part of total gross.

@Barnack had explained once how these % though accurate can give the wrong impression. cause China takes care of release costs and some other costs on behalf of the studio which makes the low 25% figure actually worthwhile compared to a lot of other countries. i will try to dig my posts and send it to you.

Edited June 23, 2017 by a2knet

[Ezen Baklattan]

Warner Bros. and Disney to Paramount right now:

 

[XO21]

11 hours ago, MyMovieCanBeatUpYourMovie said:

Non-superhero film fatigue strikes again.

 

[titanic2187]

I think people need to get rid of those "save by overseas", it's true international market is much bigger place especially china, but please bear in mind, POTC5, transformer 5, aliens or the mummy, through doing poor now domestically, all these franchise were initially doing very good here in USA, the overseas market only then followed up in the sequel.

 

Meaning, to get your film be successful in at least a decade, you still need to get "approval" from USA audience, the market still the biggest in the world, and have a huge post-cinema lifespan.

 

To me, film doing good in USA tends to have better overseas, USA's number has huge indirect influence in OS market and OS market react correspondingly.As example for GO, I dont think Get out could make $80m overseas if wasn't doing that huge in USA. 

[John Marston]

4 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

I think people need to get rid of those "save by overseas", it's true international market is much bigger place especially china, but please bear in mind, POTC5, transformer 5, aliens or the mummy, through doing poor now domestically, all these franchise were initially doing very good here in USA, the overseas market only then followed up in the sequel.

 

Meaning, to get your film be successful in at least a decade, you still need to get "approval" from USA audience, the market still the biggest in the world, and have a huge post-cinema lifespan.

 

To me, film doing good in USA tends to have better overseas, USA's number has huge indirect influence in OS market and OS market react correspondingly.As example for GO, I dont think Get out could make $80m overseas if wasn't doing that huge in USA. 

 

 

if overseas markets did not matter then most franchises would be dead. The James Bond franchise would be completely dead for example

[Daxtreme]

3 hours ago, Black Hawk said:

yeah.

 

 

What will happen when Wonder Woman beats... herself in Batman v Superman? 

[a2k]

6 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

I think people need to get rid of those "save by overseas", it's true international market is much bigger place especially china, but please bear in mind, POTC5, transformer 5, aliens or the mummy, through doing poor now domestically, all these franchise were initially doing very good here in USA, the overseas market only then followed up in the sequel.

 

Meaning, to get your film be successful in at least a decade, you still need to get "approval" from USA audience, the market still the biggest in the world, and have a huge post-cinema lifespan.

 

To me, film doing good in USA tends to have better overseas, USA's number has huge indirect influence in OS market and OS market react correspondingly.As example for GO, I dont think Get out could make $80m overseas if wasn't doing that huge in USA. 

 

True.

F&F also had to gain the US trust for a few movies. Only now it's in an insane orbit (next one could do 1b ww even with 150 dom).

 

Edited June 23, 2017 by a2knet

[titanic2187]

2 minutes ago, John Marston said:

 

 

if overseas markets did not matter then most franchises would be dead. The James Bond franchise would be completely dead for example

I thought James Bond movie were doing quite decent in USA? 

Spectre pass $200m and Skyfall pass $300m, even casino royale made $168m 10 years ago

[John Marston]

1 minute ago, titanic2187 said:

I thought James Bond movie were doing quite decent in USA? 

Spectre pass $200m and Skyfall pass $300m, even casino royale made $168m 10 years ago

 

 

 

yeah but most of the James Bond movies did not make back their budget domestically

 

 

 

[grim22]

I think Paramount, in their quest to get a domestic win, might greenlight Star Trek 4 from all of this. @MrPink

[titanic2187]

1 minute ago, John Marston said:

 

 

 

yeah but most of the James Bond movies did not make back their budget domestically

 

 

 

But at least they are not flop domestically, and USA still the largest market for the last 3 movies

[XO21]

13 hours ago, WrathOfHan said:

 

Mother over T5 DOM 

[John Marston]

looks like The Mummy can reach 400m worldwide

 

 

The Mummy at 316 million worldwide now.

 

"The Tom Cruise ‘Dark Universe’ vehicle stands at 316.7m worldwide, of which $255.1m comes from the international arena and a disappointing $61.6m balance from North America. The tentpole opens up appropriately enough in Egypt this weekend."

 

http://www.screendaily.com/news/transformers-the-last-knight-rumbles-into-41-territories/5119368.article?blocktitle=LATEST-INTERNATIONAL-BOX-OFFICE-NEWS&contentID=40071

 Like this

[John Marston]

5 minutes ago, grim22 said:

I think Paramount, in their quest to get a domestic win, might greenlight Star Trek 4 from all of this. @MrPink

 

 

 

if they do they need to slash the budget. Is Nicholas Meyer busy? 

[Goffe]

Just don't hire Justin Lin and Paramount might be able to make the next Star Trek a decent hit.

[Dementeleus]

8 minutes ago, John Marston said:

 

 

 

if they do they need to slash the budget. Is Nicholas Meyer busy? 

 

He's a consulting producer on the new ST series, unless things have changed.  

[That One Girl]

1 minute ago, Goffe said:

Just don't hire Justin Lin and Paramount might be able to make the next Star Trek a decent hit.

 

But...Lin...

[Southern European Guy]

9 minutes ago, John Marston said:

looks like The Mummy can reach 400m worldwide

 

 

The Mummy at 316 million worldwide now.

 

"The Tom Cruise ‘Dark Universe’ vehicle stands at 316.7m worldwide, of which $255.1m comes from the international arena and a disappointing $61.6m balance from North America. The tentpole opens up appropriately enough in Egypt this weekend."

 

http://www.screendaily.com/news/transformers-the-last-knight-rumbles-into-41-territories/5119368.article?blocktitle=LATEST-INTERNATIONAL-BOX-OFFICE-NEWS&contentID=40071

 Like this

But if you ask Deadline, it's the biggest disaster to ever see the face of Earth. Btw, I saw the movie and I hated it. However, hyperbole is hyperbole.

 

[Dementeleus]

I'm not quite sure why Paramount went all-in on the Barco Escape thing, but they for sure drove up their budget a bit with very late additions to that format. (Set extensions, etc)