June 23-25 Weekend Thread | TF5 45M, Cars 3 24.0, Wonder Woman 24.9 (10th highest 4th weekend of all time and biggest 4th weekend of 2017)

[GiantCALBears]

The situation is not any less severe for Viacom/Paramount because they will eek out a profit on TF5. I try to explain this to you guys over and over... The major studios are all part of huge multinational corporations. Their earnings and revenue guidance has their movies making a profit, not breaking even lol.

[GiantCALBears]

Look at how write downs become such big news... Why is that? Because Hollywood doesn't make movies that don't make money especially at the highest level. There is ZERO debate Transformers is a property with diminishing returns and TF5 very much validated that trend.

[Celedhring]

 

Looks like The Mummy is going to finish around 375m WW, which is 3 times its reported production budget, with 300m coming from overseas. This horror shared universe thing will just limp along a little more, it seems.

 

Is Dracula Untold still officially part of this? That one posted similar numbers (25/75 DOM to OS ratio and 3x budget).

[a2k]

1 minute ago, Celedhring said:

 

Looks like The Mummy is going to finish around 375m WW, which is 3 times its reported production budget, with 300m coming from overseas. This horror shared universe thing will just limp along a little more, it seems.

 

Is Dracula Untold still officially part of this? That one posted similar numbers (25/75 DOM to OS ratio and 3x budget).

Deadline and the-numbers.com both used 195 for the prod budget instead of 125.

(now it could be likely that the latter used the former as the source but just saying...)

[a2k]

If we can have a TF6, we should have a POTC6.

At least a new TF movie could be a BB spin-off. I don't know how the hell will POTC6 be marketed.

Davy Jones is the only character that can be exciting it seems.

[Barnack]

7 minutes ago, GiantCALBears said:

Look at how write downs become such big news... Why is that? Because Hollywood doesn't make movies that don't make money especially at the highest level.

 

 

Write down are big news because they happen before a movie is released, I am not sure what you mean by Hollywood doesn't make movies that don't make money especially at the highest level, outside some safe IP/sequel it is always a big risk and they often make movies that don't make money (GITS, king arthur, long list of them), they share risk so much now knowing very well how often they make movies that don't make money.

Edited June 26, 2017 by Barnack

[GiantCALBears]

 
Write down are big news because they happen before a movie is released, I am not sure what you mean by Hollywood doesn't make movies that don't make money especially at the highest level, outside some safe IP/sequel it is always a big risk and they often make movies that don't make money (GITS, king arthur, long list of them)

In general, obviously there are exceptions.

[GiantCALBears]

This summer is underwhelming but you go down the list and almost every studio movie is making a profit given their WW totals. Even Baywatch may make a "profit."

[John Marston]

TF5 is an underperformer but in the end it will still make money. Paramount will soft reboot the franchise and it will still continue in some form

[cannastop]

3 minutes ago, John Marston said:

TF5 is an underperformer but in the end it will still make money. Paramount will soft reboot the franchise and it will still continue in some form

In China, maybe. I wonder if they're going to risk the embarrassment of a new installment after this one.

[John Marston]

Just now, cannastop said:

In China, maybe. I wonder if they're going to risk the embarrassment of a new installment after this one.

 

 

that's like saying they shouldn't have made a new Star Trek movie or new James Bond movie after Star Trek Nemesis and Licence to Kill flat out bombed. Or they should have ended the FAst and Furious franchise at Tokyo Drift

[cannastop]

Just now, John Marston said:

 

 

that's like saying they shouldn't have made a new Star Trek movie or new James Bond movie after Star Trek Nemesis and Licence to Kill flat out bombed. Or they should have ended the FAst and Furious franchise at Tokyo Drift

Yes, but how long is it going to be until a new Transformers is released? Not sure how the franchise can get away from the Michael Bay style that audiences clearly have had their fill of.

[Fancyarcher]

2 hours ago, Nova said:

You're making assumptions now. You can't say the studio thought people were going to show up anyways when the studio itself had it tracking at that $70M number for the five day. The studio may have waited to release the reviews to ensure that they hit the $70M 5-day which is an assumption. 

 

All im saying about TF5 is given the horrendous reviews and poor audience score, the film held up throughout its weekend and pretty much hit the numbers it was tracking at. Whether those numbers are good or bad is another discussion but the film made what it was expected to. 

 

Legs won't be good though, so ultimately Transformers: TLK will likely be considered a disappointment for Paramount.

[grey ghost]

39 minutes ago, John Marston said:

TF5 is an underperformer but in the end it will still make money. Paramount will soft reboot the franchise and it will still continue in some form

 

What's an example of a soft reboot?

[Barnack]

1 minute ago, grey ghost said:

 

What's an example of a soft reboot?

 

Jurassic World is a good recent example and will be a copied model in the near future.

[cannastop]

4

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47 Meters Down

Entertainment Studi…

$7,088,262

 

4.7% drop for 47 Meters Down from estimates.

[cannastop]

4 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

Jurassic World is a good recent example and will be a copied model in the near future.

I think they'd go full reboot for Transformers after this mess.

[titanic2187]

2 hours ago, damnitgeorge08 said:

That's the thing it's not killing it OS. Paramount will be thinking a lot about TF future.

There may not have Paramount in future

[FantasticBeasts]

There is definitely potential in the Transformers franchise but changes are needed. 

They need to come up with something fresh outside the formula that has got people tried.

After all, how many franchises can you count that didn't have even a single underperformer/disappointment?

[grey ghost]

11 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

Jurassic World is a good recent example and will be a copied model in the near future.

 

It's not easy to do.

 

Though I wonder if it's easier than launching a successful cinematic universe.