Gokira2012 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) It's a catch 22, the only way for black actors to receive awards is to have black film studios and black award shows but because black people are poor, those movies will only gross half of what white movies will, also it's hard for movies starring blacks to make any money overseas, usually it has t be a black actor with massive name rec, the western world is white, and lets talk about reality Edited January 7, 2020 by Gokira2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealLyre Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Avatree said: How can one performance be "more deserving" than another? Other than what an individual preferred. Which is completely subjective. Also have to factor in which performances people have actually seen. It's fine to say that X black person should have been nominated but if no one has seen the movie, then they're unlikely to be nominated. Awards are completely irrelevant and arbitrary and people like you who get upset about there not being a quota of dark skinned nominees, you are being racist. white people in cinema are the default so it’s okay to be racist against them (they have enough awards) while POC are not (black people are not the only POC btw Asians, Arabs and Latinos exist).do you get it now ? Edited January 8, 2020 by RealLyre Word 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gokira2012 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, RealLyre said: white people in cinema are the default so it’s okay to be racist against them while POC are not (black people are not the only POC btw Asians, Arabs and Latinos exist).do you get it now ? Solution is for black producers to fund and make white movies, hey if you can't beat them, just use their labor to get rich 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatree Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 4 hours ago, RealLyre said: white people in cinema are the default so it’s okay to be racist against them No. I do not get it. That is a disgusting attitude and you should be ashamed of holding that opinion. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxmatrixdt Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) . Edited June 26, 2020 by abusive brainwashed Christ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffTheHizzle Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, RealLyre said: white people in cinema are the default so it’s okay to be racist against them (they have enough awards) while POC are not (black people are not the only POC btw Asians, Arabs and Latinos exist).do you get it now ? It's never okay to be racist. Edited January 9, 2020 by OffTheHizzle 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gokira2012 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, OffTheHizzle said: It's never okay to be racist. Black people should fund and produce all white movies, you'll make alot of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipickthiswhiterose Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) The nominations for major awards aren't specifically/actively racist or sexist. They are, however, enormously lazy - making them somewhat passively racist, sexist, classist, and an awful lot of other things-ist because laziness involves being enormously weighed in favour of the established norm. There's a massive difference between that and being actively bigoted. Take Best Director for example. It's the three most famous directors (Mendes, Scorsese, Tarantino) plus the guy with a big populist hit that people can position as at least somewhat artsy (Phillips). After that there's one position left. It's that simple. And the more established massive-name directors and the guy with the biggest hit are all generally likely to be white men (except for the occasional likes of Cuaron like last year). The Eggers, Aster and Mangold types are just as screwed by the system as women and minorities. They are just all screwed together. Because it's largely a popularity contest and the popular names are already established. Now can you argue that a specific person might legitimately believe that Irishman, OUATIH, Joker and 1917 were 4 of the best director movies of the year in a year that also included The Lighthouse, Midsommar, Ford V Ferrari, Knives Out, Parasite, Farewell, Portrait OALOF, Little Women, Jojo Rabbit...yes. Can you argue that those four movies are so fundamentally better directed than the other ones named that it justifies the pattern of them being nominated over and over again? No. Just like one can't argue the predictability of Renee Zelwegger being a likely winner for a mundane biopic movie that came out a while ago and doesn't have any specific buzz for any other category despite the performances of many women before or since being, if not objectively better (for those obsessed with pretending everything involved in evaluating art is subjective), at the very least clearly more challenging roles. The call went out a year ago and the fix was in. And if you think there isn't something ridiculous about Margot Robbie being nominated for a performance in which she has about 5 minutes of screentime and in which most of that screentime is spend watching a movie....I'm sorry, you're off your rocker. Not even Margot Robbie thinks she gave one of the best five supporting performances for OATIH, you can say that without even insulting her performance in the least - it barely lifts above a cameo. Edited January 9, 2020 by Ipickthiswhiterose 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmlover Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Ipickthiswhiterose said: Just like one can't argue the predictability of Renee Zelwegger being a likely winner for a mundane biopic movie that came out a while ago and doesn't have any specific buzz for any other category despite the performances of many women before or since being, if not objectively better (for those obsessed with pretending everything involved in evaluating art is subjective), at the very least clearly more challenging roles. The call went out a year ago and the fix was in. Did it, though? Felt like everyone thought Judy had just as much, if not more, potential to be a disaster (think a Diana or Grace of Monaco) than it did at turning out well before it screened at the fall festivals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipickthiswhiterose Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 36 minutes ago, filmlover said: Did it, though? Felt like everyone thought Judy had just as much, if not more, potential to be a disaster (think a Diana or Grace of Monaco) than it did at turning out well before it screened at the fall festivals. Diana, Grace of Monaco.....maybe Gotti. Facsimile biopic critical failures are incredibly rare. Even the two you mentioned featured a lot of critics going to great pains to criticise the movie but not the performance. I'd also point out the two you discuss also came out the same year and so positioned themselves against each other. I've said before and I'll say again: The easiest thing you can ask an actor do to is an impression. The number of Oscars given to biopics, especially given since 2000 is shameful. It takes up OVER HALF the Best Actor and Best Actress awards from Colin Firth to Adrian Brody, Rami Malek to Jamie Foxx, Eddie Redmayne to DDL, Helen Mirren to Meryl Streep, Marion Cotillard to Reese Witherspoon and others in between. In that time the horror and comedy genres between them can barely muster up a nomination. The line has to be drawn in the sand at some stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 22 hours ago, Ipickthiswhiterose said: I've said before and I'll say again: The easiest thing you can ask an actor do to is an impression. The number of Oscars given to biopics, especially given since 2000 is shameful. It takes up OVER HALF the Best Actor and Best Actress awards from Colin Firth to Adrian Brody, Rami Malek to Jamie Foxx, Eddie Redmayne to DDL, Helen Mirren to Meryl Streep, Marion Cotillard to Reese Witherspoon and others in between. In that time the horror and comedy genres between them can barely muster up a nomination. The line has to be drawn in the sand at some stage. hera hear! all of this! This is why Joker win in Actor would be such a big deal. Fictional genre character. Also Pitt and dern play fictional characters so if all 3 (Phoenix, Pitt and Dern win) we'd only have 1 biopic winner (Zellweger). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealLyre Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Denzel Washington has 8 Oscar nominations but 0 BAFTA nods, is there a reason why the British Film Academy keeps refusing him? does any other actor has this many Oscar nods without BAFTAs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nghtvsn Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, RealLyre said: Denzel Washington has 8 Oscar nominations but 0 BAFTA nods, is there a reason why the British Film Academy keeps refusing him? does any other actor has this many Oscar nods without BAFTAs Now that's wild! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gokira2012 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, nghtvsn said: Now that's wild! In America, they nominate black people, but rarely give them awards, at least the Bafta have the decency not to even nomiante black people, for a dog and pony show 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...