Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore | April 15, 2022 | Final Trailer on Page 75

[John Marston]

Rowling's Controversies Don't Halt Harry Potter Sales Surge (bnnbreaking.com)

 

 

Hogwarts Legacy is the highest selling game of 2023 and HP merchandise sales in general seems to be up, The internet is not real life

[SpiderByte]

I mean that still doesn't change the box office for this one

[John Marston]

2 hours ago, SpiderByte said:

I mean that still doesn't change the box office for this one

 

 

the movie flopped because the last FB was awful and this movie didn't look like an improvement. Not because of Rowling

[WittyUsername]

I imagine the majority of people were already aware that J.K. Rowling’s views haven’t had any actual impact on the popularity of the Wizarding World IP. Technically though, the Fantastic Beasts movies did fail because of her, but it was because of her own hubris and writing, rather than her views. 

[nox]

2 hours ago, WittyUsername said:

Technically though, the Fantastic Beasts movies did fail because of her, but it was because of her own hubris and writing, rather than her views. 

The Depp controversy, Ezra Miller controversy, and the pandemic hurt these films more than anything related to Rowling. Based on the interviews from Yates and Heyman, Rowling was very collaborative during the screenwriting process. For example, shifting the focus from Newt to Albus Dumbledore (and Hogwarts) wasn't what Rowling wanted (in fact, she had to be convinced to do it in The Crimes of Grindelwald).

[nox]

22 hours ago, John Marston said:

Rowling's Controversies Don't Halt Harry Potter Sales Surge (bnnbreaking.com)

 

 

Hogwarts Legacy is the highest selling game of 2023 and HP merchandise sales in general seems to be up, The internet is not real life

FB3 was very popular in the US home market relatively speaking. It has earned almost $20m in video sales as of May 2023 according to the-numbers.com. Very few films have managed to reach that number lately.

[TerwillikerInst]

On 1/20/2024 at 10:21 PM, John Marston said:

 

 

the movie flopped because the last FB was awful and this movie didn't look like an improvement. Not because of Rowling

I mean, it did flop because of Rowling, just not for her politics. 

 

The Harry Potter movies worked in large part because they were built on a strong foundation of many different collaborative voices, of which Rowling was only one.

 

As the FB movies have demonstrated, starting from scratch with the Rowling of the last decade fully in the driver's seat is a disaster. There's a reason why Hogwarts Legacy has done way better than shit like this and Pottermore. 

 

She's overly obsessed with doing weird grim dark lore explorations of shit nobody cares about, and the Potter Max show is 100% going to suffer because of this. 

 

Like, forget including all the bad existing shit like the Hermione slave plot- she is 100% going to try to pick up the baton of these movies and attempt to shove in more dumbass retcon Grindelwald Dumbledore's lost sibling-type backstory.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 23 by TerwillikerInst

[PlatnumRoyce]

On 1/21/2024 at 4:15 PM, nox said:

FB3 was very popular in the US home market relatively speaking. It has earned almost $20m in video sales as of May 2023 according to the-numbers.com. Very few films have managed to reach that number lately.

 

 

Basically that translated to the ~11th best selling disc of the year. https://www.mediaplaynews.com/research/2022-top-selling-titles-on-disc/ (with 1989's Top Gun randomly being a library title above it on the strength of TG:M)

[Arlborn]

On 1/20/2024 at 7:39 PM, John Marston said:

Rowling's Controversies Don't Halt Harry Potter Sales Surge (bnnbreaking.com)

 

 

Hogwarts Legacy is the highest selling game of 2023 and HP merchandise sales in general seems to be up, The internet is not real life

“Thing did well, therefore the controversies surrounding it had 0 effect on it”

 

Nah, not how any of this works. Harry Potter is inserted in cultures worldwide in a way we only really see with certain Disney products for example. It’s 100% become bigger than its author (funnily enough for this comparison, Walt Disney was sort of a horrible person as well), which means that any well made product carrying its brand will100% do commercially well no matter what the original author says or does, it’s inserted in way too many people’s core childhood memories.

 

That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have done even better if she hadn’t gone and opened her ugly little mouth. It’s hard to quantify stuff like that, and that game is definitely a case of too big to fail, all they had to do was deliver a good game, and from all I have seen (haven’t bought it myself) they have.

 

Heck, even this movie made way more money than it should have all things considered, all because of the Harry Potter brand.

 

Edited January 24 by Arlborn

[dudalb]

On 1/20/2024 at 10:21 PM, John Marston said:

 

 

the movie flopped because the last FB was awful and this movie didn't look like an improvement. Not because of Rowling

Amend that to "not becuase of Rowling;s Politics". Rowling as a writer had quite a bit to do with why the FB Franchise failed.

Main reason it fialed if the charecters were not nearly as interesting as in the original Potter series. Even the chatecters recycled into the FB franchise from the original Potter sotires wene not as intesting as in the originals.

Edited January 25 by dudalb

[dudalb]

On 1/23/2024 at 1:14 PM, TerwillikerInst said:

I mean, it did flop because of Rowling, just not for her politics. 

 

The Harry Potter movies worked in large part because they were built on a strong foundation of many different collaborative voices, of which Rowling was only one.

 

As the FB movies have demonstrated, starting from scratch with the Rowling of the last decade fully in the driver's seat is a disaster. There's a reason why Hogwarts Legacy has done way better than shit like this and Pottermore. 

 

She's overly obsessed with doing weird grim dark lore explorations of shit nobody cares about, and the Potter Max show is 100% going to suffer because of this. 

 

Like, forget including all the bad existing shit like the Hermione slave plot- she is 100% going to try to pick up the baton of these movies and attempt to shove in more dumbass retcon Grindelwald Dumbledore's lost sibling-type backstory.

 

 

 

 

I now think that  ROwling said all the really wanted to say about the Wizarding World in the Potter novels, and the stuff after was done pretty much for the money. Yes, she was incredibly  rich after the books, but after her expereinces as an unemployed teacher until the first novel was published, she still felt compelled to make as much as possible.

I just think she never had the passion for the FB charecters that she did for the Potter charecters.

Evne when the Potter charecters showed up in the series, they were not the same as in the books.